Fetters

[Anastacia42]

Even "sticky" is just content of thought!

:)

Yes.

Stick with Direct Experience.

Notice the lie feeling. Notice the truth feeling.

Keep practicing ButtChair. I did for 4 months.

Loving,

[Nomind2noi]

Even "sticky" is just content of thought!

So true. Got tricked by thought 😮‍💨

Notice the lie feeling. Notice the truth feeling.

Thanks for saying that!
Today I've been feeling high :-) Like some bondage is getting loose.

ButtChair

😂 What buttchair 🤣
It's wild none of them actually exist in actual experience.

I see if I'm trying to fight with thoughts. Thought probably always win, it's so sneaky.
I will just keep ignoring them.
🙏❤️

[Anastacia42]

Today I've been feeling high :-) Like some bondage is getting loose.

Yes. Losing the bondage of the lie of "self."

That's the expansion of the truth feeling.

Loving,

[Nomind2noi]

Thank you very much!

Yes it's clear that the existence of self can only be found in thought. There isn't actual entity called I/me. How interesting the "I" who's in charge for all these years not even real. I need it to settle in a bit.
Kind of mad all the teachings out there about awareness/consciousness people made the drop away of self to be such a big deal, the so-called dark night of the soul, ego death etc., like something real actually dead. That's what had fooled me, felt there was a self that need to get rid of, trying to find the right practice to kick the self out. What a joke.

🙏❤️

[Anastacia42]

Yes! Hilarious, isn't it?

How does it FEEL to SEE no self?

Loving

[Nomind2noi]

Felt more relaxed for sure. To maintain a “self” takes so much energy.
No drama…. like some non-dual YouTube people with a long show talking about how they cried for days mourning losing the self or didn’t know who’s that stranger in the mirror…
I woke up in the middle of the night with a headache which’s unusual, it stayed until I got up in the morning. Maybe there was some self-related toxic stuff going through the system. (That’s a thought content 😊)
Otherwise no special feelings. Everything is the same. I still recognize the person in the mirror, which makes perfect sense. The “I” was never real. Nothing needs to change for that “I” to go away. Instead now the illusion got corrected.

❤ ❤

[Anastacia42]

Yes, good. You've got it. Freeing, isn't it?

Let's look at another aspect of all of this.

here's a pointer to look at "control," "choice, " and "free will."

Palm Flipping Exercise

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.

2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.

Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:

How is the movement controlled?

Does a thought control it?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Loving,

[Nomind2noi]

Yes less concerned about "I" indeed.

How is the movement controlled?

Not sure how the movement was controlled.
Hand knows what to do and good at it 😂

Does a thought control it?

Heck no :-)

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No controller other than hand itself.

How is the decision made to turn the hand over?

Not sure, but sure not thought. Thought couldn't even catch what hand's doing.

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

One hand decided to do it without talking to the other hand 🤣

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

No decision maker, no chooser.

What puzzled me was who read and understood this instruction and followed it? Not "I" 🤔

🙏❤️

[Anastacia42]

Yes, well, the hand didn't "decide," but that was funny.

No decision maker, no chooser.

That's better.

So, we have some traditional "final" questions Would you like to give those a try?

Loving,

[Nomind2noi]

Thanks! 😍

You think I'm ready for that? I see some people here going through 30 some pages...
Also with the "I" out of the way, now I can't find the one who read and understood all the exercise instructions and doing all that. It's kind of creepy 😰

🙏❤️

[Anastacia42]

OMG. No, no, no. 30 page threads are because someone is stuck in doubt or not looking, but thinking.

This can be done. Let it flow.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Loving,

[Nomind2noi]

Ok let's flow.💃

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

That entity was never existed.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of separate self is literally thought made and believed into a seeming reality. It operates in thought, once the thought of "I" believed, it's in full control. Separate self seems real also because it claims the body as part of the self.
And that imagined "I" is the center of experience. The body is almost like a servant to the "I" be seen as my body. From the view of "I", there are other bodies, things etc. that's not "I".

3) How does it feel to see this? .

Feel like home, finally can relax and just be. There are only yes and acceptance, no more rejections.

What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?

Before I started this, I felt that no self is a state, an achievement only the deep realized people can get there.
When I signed up with LU, I saw many people here with 20 some years of spiritual practice/background, I wasn't sure how long it would take for someone like me hardly meditated or have much of any practice to realize this.
Now I see there is nothing to realize, all needed was to LOOK.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Willingness to step out of believes and to see the truth.

Will do the other parts tomorrow.
🙏❤️

[Anastacia42]

Good work!

[Nomind2noi]

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice, control & give examples from experience.

Everything in question 5 relates to the sense of self/agency. If no self is seen clearly, all the questions should fall away with the self. It's so obvious none of these exist in reality. They are all mind made concepts, illusions.

Decision

A bundle of thoughts, seemingly lined up one after another, with last confirming thought "I" made a decision.
If exam closely, one thought arises, and gone, another thought arises and gone, and so on. There is no link between 2 thoughts, there is no thinker to think the thought. Decision simply a thought content - "I" decided.
For example my decision to sign up with LU for a guide. A suggestion was heard from Pernille Damore's YouTube channel, an action was taken go to LU website to check it out... The "I" who did anything was imagined.

Intention

It seems link to desire and ill will, cause and effect, time and space. Again it can only be found in thoughts.
Without "I", intention isn't possible. Check in direct experiences, where is intention reside?

Free will

A trigger for many people, most asked questions 😊
If I don't exist, who is where to have free will, and for what?

Choice

How funny!
Did any of us get to choose when, where, to what kind of parents be born into? A man or woman, how we look?
End of question 🤣

Control

Try to only have happy thought and be happy all the time.
Can't do that? Then that's the answer for control :-)

What makes things happen? How does it work?

It's a mystery, magic 😍

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Nobody is, as no one can't found.

6) Anything to add?

Seeing through the self is liberating. It's a beginning to experience everything directly without the filter of self.
To explore if there is any separation in reality. To be one with life.

And much gratitude to you Stacy for guiding me! Really appreciate your time, helping me go through the gate.
It's a fun ride!
Much love my friend!!! 🙏❤️❤️❤️

[Anastacia42]

Those are great, Amy. I've enjoyed our exchanges.

Your answers will be shared with other guides who may have questions. Watch this space & watch for a PM with more information above right.

Much love,