Liberation

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!
I am glad everything is going well!
Life is going well too, is getting smoother.

It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organized sequence. Or is it just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that "one thought follows another thought"?

There are thoughts that have a similar “flavor” that come one after an another, making it appear that they are related. Is like making animated movies, one shot after the other moving very fast, but each shot is a little different from the previous one, creating the appearance of continuity.

Are you the narrator or the one that listens to the narration?

The one that listens to the narration.

What does the listener look like?

It does not have any shape or form, is always there as everything.

Does it have ears?

It does not have any particular shape or no shape.

What makes thoughts yours?

The me feeling combine with the I though create the illusion of thoughts being mine. But they are only sensation and thought.

What is a me-feeling?

The me-felling is sensation.

Is it personal?

It is not personal. There are thoughts that say is in the body at this place or I am feeling this. But they are concepts.

What makes the sensation yours?

Thoughts “I am feeling”, or resistance to the sensation create more concepts that could seem that there is “me” feeling or resisting.

There is aliveness/being, but is it personal?

There is only aliveness/being, which include thoughts, but no one happening to.

Is it a being or just being?

It is being, there is not a being to who feeling, doing or things happening to.

Remember “feels like” and “seems like” exist only in thought content. In DE things are either there or not. So what is “narrator kind of feeling”?

The narrator kind of feeling are a stream of thoughts, mixed with sensation. Looking at it closely there is no kind of feeling they are thoughts as you point out. This pointing is very helpful, it clarifies what not previously seen.

No they come so fast and spontaneously that it is impossible to record them and play back in order to hear them.

Is it just their speed that prevents them from being recorded?

It is not only their speed, they are also are not in DE. Thank you for pointing this out, it is clearer.

Do they actually make a sound?

No in DE experience there is no sound. They are thought content, nowhere to be experience directly.

What is a sensation of me/self?

It is only sensation the me/self is thought that comes after sensation.

Does the sensation sense an entity? Describe the sensation of self, please…

I can see now that the sensation of self is sensation and thought. The thought is what creates the illusion of sensation of self. There is no self sensing, it is just sensation in DE.

The appearance of self or me is not separated from what is, from reality. Need to understand is also a thought.

What is the appearance of self?

The appearance of self, is thought, there is no self appearing. In DE there is no appearance or disappearance, these are only concepts, in DE there is only this, what is happening.

Do you mean the body?

I meant the “I” thought or “me” thought and the rest of thoughts that are not DE.

Again is this YOUR “body” or just a “body”?

Is just body. And if we go further, is just sensation.

If “me”/”I” is a thought how can a thought have a body?

Haha, yes thoughts cannot have a body. This is very helpful pointer, it helps see how the illusion of “my body” or “there is a body” is created.

Do you mean seeing/colours labelled “body”?

This is getting much clearer how “body” is a label for seeing/colors.

Can colours be isolated from seeing?

Colors are inseparable from seeing.

The separation is an illusion created by labelling the different colours into things, but it’s all seeing…
Can you see that?

This is becoming clearer, the intuition is there. It is funny when I inquiry into DE seeing only colors, thoughts arise wanting to see a change in seeing, like if by seeing that there is only color in seeing there will also be a shift in how seeing is perceive.

It is quite remarkable how when seen things as they are, thoughts in particular, the grasping start to loosen.

Is there really grasping?

There is no grasping, it is just thought of grasping or of “someone grasping”. Today in my practice this was very clear.

What is there to grasp?

There is no nothing or no one to grasp, everything comes and goes.

Noticing of thoughts happen and noticing of thought content happens. It’s all THIS ;) Next time you watch a movie, notice how you get sucked into the story; how emotions come up and judgements appear. Then all of a sudden, there is like a flip back to the room - as if focus zooms out. Observe how it happens. At which point is there a decision to snap out?

There is no decision to snap out it just happens on it's own.

Is there one that makes that decision or does it simply happen, effortlessly?

It happens effortlessly, just as the zooming in.

Is it different from being sucked into mind movies/ getting lost in thought?

It is the same, it happens all on its own without effort. Also, in meditation I’ve notice lately that concentration happens all on its own. Before there was this thought of “me” doing the effort to concentrate.

If there is nobody to believe, is ”believing in the story” actually happening or is it a story about “believing in the story” (more thought content)?

There is just a story about “believing in the story”. Thought content and more thought content.

Do you remember when you learned how to ride a bicycle? At first, you couldn't ride it. Then, there a was a moment when you suddenly succeeded in riding it. Then for the first two or three rides it might have been a bit awkward. Then, it becomes so natural that you don't care about how to ride it anymore. You simply ride it, and it's indeed simple! It's the same with noticing of thought content and its empty nature :)

Noticing thought content has become simpler, during the day I have to keep pointing at the noticing of DE and thought content but it's becoming like riding a bike, simpler.

Thank very much for all your help, inquiry is getting stronger.

Love

Deneb

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb

What does the listener look like?

It does not have any shape or form, is always there as everything.

So is it a shapeless/formless listener? If it can’t be experienced through the senses what makes it different from a belief? How is “the listening” of thoughts (narration) different from just “thinking”? Are there “talking” and “listening” of thoughts or just thinking? Are thoughts “solid objects” that are experienced or is it more like an action (verb) – thinking? Also, is the noticing of thinking separate from the thinking? Can you isolate it from what is happening (e.g. thinking)? Is there a witness to what is happening? Are you the witness?

Thoughts “I am feeling”, or resistance to the sensation create more concepts that could seem that there is “me” feeling or resisting.

What does the resistance? How is “resistance to a sensation” experienced in DE? What links the two together?If there are no "cause" and "effect" in DE how can resistance (sensation) to a sensantion create more concepts?

It is funny when I inquiry into DE seeing only colors, thoughts arise wanting to see a change in seeing, like if by seeing that there is only color in seeing there will also be a shift in how seeing is perceive.

Could there possibly be a change in seeing? What is different from before that would make the difference?

Do you want to inquire into other stuff like time, space, awareness ...?
Love
Rali

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!
I hope you are doing awesome!

What does the listener look like?

It does not have any shape or form, is always there as everything.

So is it a shapeless/formless listener?

Listener is a thought, there is sound happening and a thought listener in unison with everything else.

If it can’t be experienced through the senses what makes it different from a belief?

It is not different from a belief, listener is a thought.

How is “the listening” of thoughts (narration) different from just “thinking”?

There is no difference between “listening” of thoughts (narration) from “thinking”/thoughts.

Are there “talking” and “listening” of thoughts or just thinking?

There is just thinking.

Are thoughts “solid objects” that are experienced or is it more like an action (verb) – thinking?

Thoughts are not “solid object” that are experience, it is more like an action/happening thinking. There is no solidity to it.

Also, is the noticing of thinking separate from the thinking?

No everything is happening in unison, there is no separation.

Can you isolate it from what is happening (e.g. thinking)?

Thinking cannot be isolated from what is happening.

Is there a witness to what is happening?

There is no witness to what is happening, there is silence, or “something” that never moves.

Are you the witness?

I am not the witness, there is no witness. I sense that I am that that never moves, the silence. But is not completely clear.

Thoughts “I am feeling”, or resistance to the sensation create more concepts that could seem that there is “me” feeling or resisting.

What does the resistance?

The resistance does nothing is just thinking follow by sensation.

How is “resistance to a sensation” experienced in DE?

Is a sensation and thought, an unchecked belief that is follow by a sensation. An unchecked belief is just thinking happening.

What links the two together?

They get link by perpetuating an energy pattern. Normally as it goes is, life is happening and there comes thinking that it should not be happening this way and there are sensations of discomfort, and this becomes a loop.

If there are no "cause" and "effect" in DE how can resistance (sensation) to a sensation create more concepts?

It is seen in DE that the sensation and the thinking of resistance are a pattern that has been repeated many times, so it has an energy to it. If not seen clearly it will continue to repeat itself. Once it is seen the energy pattern starts to diminish and disappear eventually on its own.

It is funny when I inquiry into DE seeing only colors, thoughts arise wanting to see a change in seeing, like if by seeing that there is only color in seeing there will also be a shift in how seeing is perceive.

Could there possibly be a change in seeing?

No there could not be a change in seeing, seeing is seeing. Thinking creates the illusion that in the future things will be better or different.

What is different from before that would make the difference?

The only difference than before is that there is less thinking and more living/what is happening. Therefore, there is nothing that would make a difference.

Could we inquire into the nature of space. What is really happening with space. I can see in DE that time is thinking of past and present, but space is not clear how it comes about.

Thank you very much for the pointers they are helping a lot!

Love

Deneb

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb

Can you isolate it from what is happening (e.g. thinking)?

Thinking cannot be isolated from what is happening.

I meant the noticing of thinking… can it be separated from the thinking? Can there be noticing without an object (e.g. seeing, hearing, thinking, etc)?

There is no witness to what is happening, there is silence, or “something” that never moves.

That sounds a lot like a teaching/philosophy/belief. How is this “something” observed through the senses? Let me guess – is it awareness then? Is awareness a container for THIS? Again, can awareness/noticing exist on its own without an object (seeing, thinking, sensing, etc)?
You might find this video interesting. Please let me know what you think of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lm3G0_ … ex=15&t=9s

The only difference than before is that there is less thinking and more living/what is happening. Therefore, there is nothing that would make a difference.

Why do you expect there will be less thinking? Thinking is also THIS. We are making thoughts the “bad guy” during the inquiry just to make a distinction between thinking and looking. The story, though, does not disappear, but it is seen as empty, not solid, not that serious, and, sometimes, even hilarious. It still appears that there is a “me,” but it is known to be a useful concept, not the truth. Is this clear?

Could we inquire into the nature of space. What is really happening with space. I can see in DE that time is thinking of past and present, but space is not clear how it comes about.

Please look at the computer (smartphone or tablet) display before you. Does your screen have a fixed location? Is the seeing coming from “here” and the screen is “there”? Where is "here?" Where is "there?" Look, where is the line between here and there? Is there a distance between “here” and “there”? What is the distance made of? Where is the reference point? Now, could you tell me from where you are looking at it, and what is there? Is there a "you" or a center of some kind in that direction? What do you see? Look at your screen. Is that screen separate somehow of seeing? Is the screen outside of seeing?
Love
Rali

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!

I hope you are doing great!

Can you isolate it from what is happening (e.g. thinking)?

Thinking cannot be isolated from what is happening.

I meant the noticing of thinking… can it be separated from the thinking?

The noticing of thinking cannot be isolated from the thinking. There is no separation between the noticing and the thinking.

Can there be noticing without an object (e.g. seeing, hearing, thinking, etc)?

There can be noticing without an object.

There is no witness to what is happening, there is silence, or “something” that never moves.

That sounds a lot like a teaching/philosophy/belief. How is this “something” observed through the senses?

That “something” seems to be part of the senses, or the senses are in the “something”.

Let me guess – is it awareness then?

Yes awareness, I’ve never used that term before, but we can call it that.

Is awareness a container for THIS?

Awareness is a container for THIS, or it seems this way.

Again, can awareness/noticing exist on its own without an object (seeing, thinking, sensing, etc)?

Awareness can exist on its own without an object.

Unfortunately, the video is no longer in Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lm3G0_ … ex=15&t=9s

The only difference than before is that there is less thinking and more living/what is happening. Therefore, there is nothing that would make a difference.

Why do you expect there will be less thinking?

That is a good pointer, I can see that there is an expectation that there will be less thinking. Which it does not matter. Sometimes there will be more thinking than others, is just like the weather as we said previously.

Thinking is also THIS. We are making thoughts the “bad guy” during the inquiry just to make a distinction between thinking and looking. The story, though, does not disappear, but it is seen as empty, not solid, not that serious, and, sometimes, even hilarious. It still appears that there is a “me,” but it is known to be a useful concept, not the truth. Is this clear?

Yes, it is clear how the story will continue it will just be seen for what it is.

Please look at the computer (smartphone or tablet) display before you. Does your screen have a fixed location?

The screen has a fixed location, is not moving, so the location is static.

Is the seeing coming from “here” and the screen is “there”?

The seeing is happening and the here and there is thinking/thoughts.

Where is "here”?

There is no “here” in DE. In direct experience “here” is a concept/thought.

Where is "there”?

“There” is also a thought.

Look, where is the line between here and there?

There is no line between here and there, they are thoughts/concepts to communicate. There is not a line that can be experience with the senses.

Is there a distance between “here” and “there”?

I get glimpses that there is no distance between anything, that here and there are concepts/thoughts.

What is the distance made of?

My intuition tells me that distance is a concept and seeing, like you have said, are only colors. There is no distance just color, sensations, sounds.

Where is the reference point?

When seen that there are only colors there is no reference point. The thoughts of me/I can create a reference point if not seen for what they are.

Now, could you tell me from where you are looking at it, and what is there?

There is not a reference from where I am looking at it, there are colors and thinking about where I am looking at it.

Is there a "you" or a center of some kind in that direction?

There is no me or center of some king, there is no direction either.

What do you see?

I see colors.

Look at your screen. Is that screen separate somehow of seeing?

The screen is not separate from seeing and neither the rest of the colors.

Is the screen outside of seeing?

The screen is not outside of seeing.

Thank you very much, these pointers have been very helpful!

Love

Deneb

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb

There can be noticing without an object.

Really?? How is that observed? Is there a time when there is no noticing of anything – not even breathing? Not even existing/aliveness?

Unfortunately, the video is no longer in Youtube:

Sorry about that – I think I didn’t copy the link properly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lm3G0_4YKU&t=10s

That “something” seems to be part of the senses, or the senses are in the “something”.

What does it look like that “something”? You know in DE we rely only on what can be described through the senses. Otherwise, how is it different from a belief?
Is awareness prior to, or is it arising together with, the objects that it is being aware of?
Can it be separated? You said that the noticing of thought cannot be separated from the thought. How is then awareness seen as a container? Doesn’t that point to duality – an subject and an object (awareness and objects of awareness (i.e. the senses))?
In experience now, listen to sound; is there anything there besides what is heard?
Are you awareness? Is it personal?
Please watch the video and let me know your thoughts.

I get glimpses that there is no distance between anything, that here and there are concepts/thoughts.

The screen has a fixed location, is not moving, so the location is static.

If there is no distance, how can there be a fixed location? If here and there are concepts – how is the screen there? For a fixed location there is still a need for a reference point – where is it? If a “screen” is a label for seeing, does seen has a location?
Love
Rali

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb
I hope you're doing great! I just wanted to let you know that I will be away till Monday. I'll be in the wild so internet is very unlikely, but I'll be back to answering on Tusday. You can still reply in the mean time :)

Love
Rali

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!
I hope you had a great trip in the wild.

There can be noticing without an object.

Really??

Well, if there is no object to notice there will be no noticing of an object. But can there be awareness without object?

Is there a time when there is no noticing of anything – not even breathing?

In my waking experience there is no time when there is no noticing of anything. There is always a noticing of something.

Not even existing/aliveness?

Yes, there is existing/aliveness experienced always.

Sorry about that – I think I didn’t copy the link properly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lm3G0_4YKU&t=10s

The video is pretty funny, but at the same time it created feelings of anxiousness. The anxiousness was brought about the mind trying to understand what the video was explaining, until it just stopped trying to understand and it was just sound. I think around the middle of the video there were just words.

That “something” seems to be part of the senses, or the senses are in the “something

What does it look like that “something”?

It feels like silence more than looking like something. Silence is the best way to describe it.

You know in DE we rely only on what can be described through the senses. Otherwise, how is it different from a belief?

Yes, that is an important pointer. It is getting clearer that in DE we can only rely on what can be experience through the senses. Is thinking can be consider a sense?

Is awareness prior to, or is it arising together with, the objects that it is being aware of?

It is arising together with the objects that is being aware of. This is not clear yet but when thinking is not so overwhelming it can be perceived in DE that everything arises together.

Can it be separated?

It cannot be separated.

You said that the noticing of thought cannot be separated from the thought. How is then awareness seen as a container?

Awareness is not a container it arises with thinking simultaneously. It is clearer now.

Doesn’t that point to duality – an subject and an object (awareness and objects of awareness (i.e. the senses))?

It does point to duality. This is very helpful. The habit of not looking at this clearly is very strong.

In experience now, listen to sound; is there anything there besides what is heard?

There is what is heard, and thinking, and sensation all at the same time.

Are you awareness?

I am awareness, but there is still duality in the way I perceive life moment to moment. It is getting clearer there is no me. Me is part of thinking.

Is it personal?

I can see/intuit that it is not personal that everything arises together, not separated, but moment to moment it can still feel personal. It can feel that things are happening to me.

If there is no distance, how can there be a fixed location?

I get glimpses of distance being a thought, but there is a feeling of separation, distance, there still seems there is a monitor and a me sitting in front of it.

If here and there are concepts – how is the screen there?

Here and there are concepts, I can perceive that they are concepts but not fully. The feeling of separation is very present, in my experience there is the screen and there is me looking at it. There is still duality in the vision sense.

For a fixed location there is still a need for a reference point – where is it?

The reference point is a thought, the thought I/me. At the moment it is clear, when there is seen thinking becomes more active. It is trying to figure things out.

If a “screen” is a label for seeing, does seen has a location?

Seeing does not have a location, what creates the illusion of location is the concepts of screen and me, creating separation. In DE there is a glimpse that these are concepts and there is only seeing. No location. But thinking of separation is predominant.

Thank so much for the pointers they are very helpful. I am getting more glimpses of how this are in DE.

Love

Deneb

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb

I hope you had a great trip in the wild.

Yes, it was awesome, thank you!

Well, if there is no object to notice there will be no noticing of an object. But can there be awareness without object?

It cannot be separated.

It is arising together with the objects that is being aware of.

Well, answer your own question. If they are inseparable are they two or one?

In my waking experience there is no time when there is no noticing of anything. There is always a noticing of something.

Yes, there is existing/aliveness experienced always.

So is there an awareness/noticing/knowing that exist on its own? How is this known if there is always some kind of object?

It feels like silence more than looking like something. Silence is the best way to describe it.

Remember “feels like” and “seems like” exist only in thought content. In DE things are either there or not. Is “silence” a thing with properties? Is the silence a thing or an absence?

Are you awareness?

I am awareness, but there is still duality in the way I perceive life moment to moment. It is getting clearer there is no me. Me is part of thinking.

How is “Awareness” different from an “I”? Is life/THIS similar to language where there are always an subject and an object (duality)? Does awareness observe the thinking sitting in a comfortable arm chair enjoying the show? LOOK! What is there? Are the senses observed by a “thing”/awareness/witness or it’s all one inseparable knowing_hearing_seeing_thinking_smelling_tasting_sensing (THIS)?

I can see/intuit that it is not personal that everything arises together, not separated, but moment to moment it can still feel personal. It can feel that things are happening to me.

Find the feeling of being, aliveness, am-ness. Just sit and feel for a bit. Notice the labelling process. Can a thought do anything like move the hands, breathe, see, hear? Is life happening to a being or as being? Is that “aliveness” any kind of object or subject? Is it even a human? Is it what you've taken as "you"?

I get glimpses of distance being a thought, but there is a feeling of separation, distance, there still seems there is a monitor and a me sitting in front of it.

In DE there is a glimpse that these are concepts and there is only seeing. No location. But thinking of separation is predominant.

What are glimpses of…? What “gets” the glimpses? What is a feeling of separation? LOOK! It’s either there or not. Is anybody doing the seeing and seeing a thing called “monitor” in a distance, or is it just seeing (with “everything” in it)? What does he look like? Does seeing needs a seer? Why do you expect to find what reality is in thoughts, when it’s been seen that thoughts are not accurate at all, that they are out of sync with reality? Is there an expectation that thoughts will drop doing what they are doing all of a sudden?

The video is pretty funny, but at the same time it created feelings of anxiousness. The anxiousness was brought about the mind trying to understand what the video was explaining, until it just stopped trying to understand and it was just sound. I think around the middle of the video there were just words

Maybe watch it again. Resistance comes in various forms and shapes. When this happens it just points to stuff that needs to be verified/checked. Remember confirmation bias…

At the moment it is clear, when there is seen thinking becomes more active. It is trying to figure things out.

It is clear to who??? What has a problem with reality? What needs to understand how things work? What identifies with thoughts? Thinking happens and everything else happens - THIS, including thinking, happens. Thoughts just add an overlaying narrative of names, labels, interpretations, explanations over the simplicity of what is. Just see what is here now silently, without words. What is left when you stop thinking about it?
Reality is very simple. What is it that is separate from what is, and trying to figure out how things are? Again what is doubt? Is there anybody doubting what it’s been seen or are there just doubtful thoughts (thoughts ABOUT doubt)?
Love
Rali

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!

I am glad your trip was awesome!

Well, if there is no object to notice there will be no noticing of an object. But can there be awareness without object?

Well, answer your own question. If they are inseparable are they two or one?

They are one.

So is there an awareness/noticing/knowing that exist on its own?

There is only one awareness/noticing/knowing inseparable from all there is, nothing is on its own, that implies two.

How is this known if there is always some kind of object?

The object is part of the knowing/awareness, is not separate.

Remember “feels like” and “seems like” exist only in thought content. In DE things are either there or not. Is “silence” a thing with properties?

In DE experience silence is the absence of things.

Is the silence a thing or an absence?

It is an absence.

How is “Awareness” different from an “I”?

There is no difference, the I is part of awareness, there is no two. Difference implies there are two things.

Is life/THIS similar to language where there are always an subject and an object (duality)?

THIS/life is not similar to language, there are no subject and object, everything is together as one.

Does awareness observe the thinking sitting in a comfortable arm chair enjoying the show?

Awareness does not observe the thinking. Everything is together, no observer and observed.

What is there?

Here is everything at the same time, arising together.

Are the senses observed by a “thing”/awareness/witness or it’s all one inseparable knowing_hearing_seeing_thinking_smelling_tasting_sensing (THIS)?

It is all one inseparable knowing_hearing_seeing_thinking_smelling_tasting_sensing.

Find the feeling of being, aliveness, am-ness. Just sit and feel for a bit. Notice the labelling process. Can a thought do anything like move the hands, breathe, see, hear?

No a thought cannot do anything like breathe, see, hear, move hands.

Is life happening to a being or as being?

Life is happening as being.

Is that “aliveness” any kind of object or subject?

Aliveness is not any kind of object or subject. Is all there is, with no separation.

Is it even a human?

There is THIS, there is no human. Human is a thought.

Is it what you've taken as "you"?

What I have taken as me is a thought/me, but it is part of the whole.

What are glimpses of…?

That there is no separation, that there is no me. Everything is together as one.

What “gets” the glimpses?

I can see now that nobody gets the glimpses that it is a story.

What is a feeling of separation?

A feeling of separation is a thought, that say I am here and the world is out there.

Is anybody doing the seeing and seeing a thing called “monitor” in a distance, or is it just seeing (with “everything” in it)?

Is just seeing with everything in it, including the hearing, sensing.

What does he look like?

There is nobody there that looks like someone. Is just seeing colors.

Does seeing needs a seer?

No seeing happens without a seer. There is no seer.

Why do you expect to find what reality is in thoughts, when it’s been seen that thoughts are not accurate at all, that they are out of sync with reality?

It is seen now that thoughts are out of sync with reality. It is funny how this out of sync is not what I thought it meant.

Is there an expectation that thoughts will drop doing what they are doing all of a sudden?

There was an expectation that thoughts would drop doing what they do all of a sudden. But know is clear that they are part of what is happening and could not be otherwise.

Maybe watch it again. Resistance comes in various forms and shapes. When this happens it just points to stuff that needs to be verified/checked. Remember confirmation bias…

I watched the video again. It was funnier this time and the message was clearer that there is no separation. Nothing is separated from the ocean as the video says.

At the moment it is clear, when there is seen thinking becomes more active. It is trying to figure things out.

It is clear to who???

haha, clear is a thought. There is no one that the clear is happening to. Trying to understand is a thought a story.

What has a problem with reality?

Thinking creates a story that there is a problem with reality and part of those thoughts are understanding.

What needs to understand how things work?

Thinking created a narrative that understanding is necessary to understand how things work.

What identifies with thoughts?

More thoughts create the story of identification. But is part of what is happening.

What is left when you stop thinking about it?

There is just what is happening, the thinking included.

What is it that is separate from what is, and trying to figure out how things are?

Nothing is separate from what is. Trying to figure put how things are is thinking, which is not separate from what is.

Again what is doubt?

Doubt is thinking happening.

Is there anybody doubting what it’s been seen or are there just doubtful thoughts (thoughts ABOUT doubt)?

There are doubtful thoughts not separate from what IS.

Thank you very much for the pointing is been very helpful.

Love

Deneb

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb

Very good looking!!

How is “Awareness” different from an “I”?

There is no difference, the I is part of awareness, there is no two. Difference implies there are two things.

I think you misunderstood my question… I meant to ask is “Awareness” a different form of “I” like the big “I”, an entity. But I think the answers following that clear things up. But just in case please answer again...

How is life these days? Is there anything else that you need to examine together? Or do you think you are ready for the final questions?

Love
Rali

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!

I hope you are doing awesome!

I think you misunderstood my question… I meant to ask is “Awareness” a different form of “I” like the big “I”, an entity.

The answer would be the same, in order to be an entity there has to be two, and there is only this oneness, everything.

How is life these days?

Life this days is good, just finish the bootcamp today. The inquiry is getting stronger.

Is there anything else that you need to examine together?

Could we examine time. Just to leave no stone unturned.

Or do you think you are ready for the final questions?

After examining time we could start with the final questions.

Thank you very much for all your time. The pointing has been very helpful!

Love

Deneb

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb
It’s really my pleasure guiding you and I don’t want you to feel rushed. You can take as much time as you need with the inquiry :)

Could we examine time. Just to leave no stone unturned.

Yes, sure. Can you directly experience “10 years ago”, “yesterday”, or “1 min ago” without memory (thought)? Can you touch or smell your yesterday’s breakfast? What is time and where can it be experienced? Without concepts (objects, states) is there a change at all or a starting point of an “event”? If all that it could be experienced is NOW where could possibly time/duration be observed?
Love
Rail

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb
It’s really my pleasure guiding you and I don’t want you to feel rushed. You can take as much time as you need with the inquiry :)

Could we examine time. Just to leave no stone unturned.

Yes, sure. Can you directly experience “10 years ago”, “yesterday”, or “1 min ago” without memory (thought)? Can you touch or smell your yesterday’s breakfast? What is time and where can it be experienced? Without concepts (objects, states) is there a change at all or a starting point of an “event”? If all that it could be experienced is NOW where could possibly time/duration be observed?
Love
Rail

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!

I hope everything is going awesome!

Can you directly experience “10 years ago”, “yesterday”, or “1 min ago” without memory (thought)?

I cannot directly experience “10 years ago”, “yesterday” or “1 min ago” without a memory/thought.

Can you touch or smell your yesterday’s breakfast?

I cannot smell or touch yesterday breakfast.

What is time and where can it be experienced?

Time is thought. It could be a thought, memory, or a thought about something in the “future” which can only be directly experienced as a thought now.

Without concepts (objects, states) is there a change at all or a starting point of an “event”?

There is no starting point of an event. The event started at this point and ended at this point are thoughts, if believe create the illusion that time went by. This is a great pointer; I have never seen it this way.

If all that it could be experienced is NOW where could possibly time/duration be observed?

It can only be observed in though/concepts.

Thank you very much, these pointers were very helpful!

We can go to the final questions.

Love

Deneb