My mind belives it`s aware?

[dreamer]

Are you the body?
Are you the dream?

[Unity]

Are you the body?

Yes.
Am I feeling? Definably.

Are you the dream?

Yes.
Am I dreaming?

[dreamer]

Thank you!

Look into this:

When 'I' do not exist as anything other than a label, HOW CAN YOU BE THE BODY???
Tell me from Direct experience, NOT thought stories.

Are there any 'I' needed in order to feel, are feelings like thoughts appearing and disappearing on their own? Look into that too.

Looking forward to this one :)

[Unity]

When 'I' do not exist as anything other than a label, HOW CAN YOU BE THE BODY???
Tell me from Direct experience, NOT thought stories.

DE aint happening:( or not registering:(
What appears to be is "everybody" is all that is, the illusion of separate self seems to be in conflict or in disbelief of what is?
What is, is what is experienced via body sensationally exploring the depths of all that is, A unique oneness, unity for an apparent definable reason.
A bringing together or rather a back together oneness of which all this is.
You seem to point to nothing exists, which I can go with to a certain degree, yet the "doing" of nothing because it don`t matter?
The individual body mind construct becomes totally irrelevant, seems to my thinking head rather silly, which should hit home immediately, because silly is my forte. Yes I know these are thoughts but this is all I have to give:(
Letting go of separate self seems almost impossible most of the time:(
Thought dominates and drains with no significant reason.
Whereas what you are directing/pointing at makes perfect sense: then why can`t I see this?:(
Feeling blocked/clogged/numb/lost yet again:(
Will have a go at the other Q as soon as anything appears, or not;)
Love your bloody patience V;)
Love M;/

[dreamer]

Hello friend!

Let us try another approach for a moment.

Notice the facts at the moment. Do it this way:

'There are dominant thoughts, there is a feeling of drainage, there is a feeling of confusion, there is a feeling of blockage, cloggage (?), numbness, loss. There is an urge to see through separate self. There is experience of bodily sensations, there is exploration of the depts of all that is. There is an acceptance of nothing existing to a certain degree, there is a will to do this honest and seriously, there is a want of this coming to an end soooon, there is a knowledge of it being thoughts, there is frustration of it being like this, there is acceptance that this is what is to be given at the moment. There is a feeling of what is said making sense, there is questioning why it is not seen, there is the intent to continue, there is love of patience.

All above is what was read to be facts in the recent reply. All of it noticed without attachment to an I. An I am not needed for it to be facts of the moment.

Now acknowledge the presence of the facts. Yes, the facts are perceived at this moment. It is so.

Then let them be. If anything arises see it the same way. There is relief, sadness, acceptance...whatever comes up. Acknowledge their presence at let them be.

I am offering you a crutch....take it if you can use it. I have used it a lot, you can have it now.

This is a way of direct experiencing...without ambition clung to it.....notice the facts (without identification)
acknowledge their presence and let them be.

Tell me what happens in a day or two.

Good luck

Vivi

[dreamer]

What you replied was perfectly direct experience...was there anything wrong with it? No, it just didn't came out the way it was wanted to.

[Unity]

Looking forward to this one :)

So is i;)

[Unity]

without ambition clung to it.....notice the facts (without identification)
acknowledge their presence and let them be.

Ambition, hmm, now that`s a feeder:(
Do and don`t arise, in what ever form arrives or not, yet never intentionally, or is it? Stuck or denied is what divides?
Then total release is completely expressed depressed yet interest is born in2. Thought or DE? Contemplate or who gives a FcUk?;) I knows I do;)
Love M:)

[Unity]

Sorry about last nights drunken state, it reads like shit thoughts throwing labels at other labels:(

Now acknowledge the presence of the facts. Yes, the facts are perceived at this moment. It is so.

Then let them be. If anything arises see it the same way. There is relief, sadness, acceptance...whatever comes up. Acknowledge their presence at let them be.

So the facts remain but the body mind construct reacts to what ever they face, in the moment of now and now and wow.....OK let it, ok now thinking about it, should or should I think upon or simply notice the arising of what ever crops up? Ignore thoughts which hover around dripping in doubt, fear, hell? Wow that would be a miracle;)
Miracles are a happening each and every moment, feeling unified for as long as is available;) Unlimited freedom, skies the limit awesomeness;)
Thinking about it now the mind thinks up protection from the what might happen scenario arena:(
Acceptance goes hand in hand on this journey of amazement;)
Thanks V;)
L M;)

[dreamer]

Yes just notice

And when ready answer the question: How can 'I' be the body, when 'I' does not exist.

warm regards Vivi

[Unity]

How can 'I' be the body, when 'I' does not exist.

The body has a host which is the (I) ghost which was originally formed from the quickest way to reference the person to another person.
Over time like any-other word/label it sticks and becomes a "part" of communication between another. It appears that the thought (i) has become as important as the body, creating a separation and it is this separation which cause`s blame, suffering, and misery unintentionally. Yet after building this unique self with all it`s thoughts running the show, now has to be realised as obsolete, the me who can think of as not existing appears to be solid and in defiance to what is becoming threatened by an outside influence, namely truth. The telling the mind it`s all an illusion appears to have no effect except leaves the mind of me wanting to see through the me which is not there at all. Yet the root of separate self is as prominent as ever:(
How to trick the mind out of tricking it`s false self, back to the true realisation of one? Sensing oneness is easy, convincing "my desperate separate thought mind" is not giving in to the true nature:( Why?
Seeing or knowing 7 billion other body minds are walking around all unaware of the true nature seems to keep a firm hold on the illusion of separation, separating me from you.
Meant to be or not part of me care`s the real part laughs at the illusion of me. maybe Michael has not suffered enough yet?:)
How long can this go on?

[dreamer]

Hi Michael

Maybe Michael haven't suffered long enough! It goes on til it stops. How long is that. It is not known, but not to worry. We are working in the light of eternity.....in that light this investigation has only lastet a splitsecond.n

The body has a host which is the (I) ghost which was originally formed from the quickest way to reference the person to another person.
Over time like any-other word/label it sticks and becomes a "part" of communication between another. It appears that the thought (i) has become as important as the body, creating a separation and it is this separation which cause`s blame, suffering, and misery unintentionally.

Actually it seems you have understood this part very well. Hurray!

Yet after building this unique self with all it`s thoughts running the show, now has to be realised as obsolete, the me who can think of as not existing appears to be solid and in defiance to what is becoming threatened by an outside influence, namely truth. The telling the mind it`s all an illusion appears to have no effect except leaves the mind of me wanting to see through the me which is not there at all. Yet the root of separate self is as prominent as ever

The doctor has diagnosed this as: there is a believe that the mind is a personal entity.
The mind is a collection of thoughts and emotions clued together by the thought that it belongs to a me. So now look at mind. Is it A mind or is it YOUR mind? Is it YOUR collection of thoughts and emotions or is it A collection of thoughts and emotions. Look carefully. Then reply.

Enjoy
Vivi

[Unity]

Maybe Michael haven't suffered long enough! It goes on til it stops. How long is that. It is not known, but not to worry. We are working in the light of eternity.....in that light this investigation has only lastet a splitsecond.n

Thought led me to believe it had been at least a couple of nano seconds, that bloody mind, will be the death of (me) hopefully;)

The doctor has diagnosed this as: there is a believe that the mind is a personal entity.

Not true:) I know I`m in 2 minds, one illusion, the other crawling along dragging the past story of a separate self.

The mind is a collection of thoughts and emotions clued together by the thought that it belongs to a me.

When you say a collection, where are they stored? Memory?
So when happening happens the me some how thinks it belongs solely to the illusionary me? Even though A GROWING new thought is coming in to take out the unnecessary delusional false me me;)

So now look at mind. Is it A mind or is it YOUR mind?

To the one who knows his own mind I would say it`s "A" beautiful mind which belongs to the collective awareness we know as true self;)

Is it YOUR collection of thoughts and emotions or is it A collection of thoughts and emotions

A collection of thoughts, mainly useless, only use is to struggle through the illusion of the roundabout of a separated individual world, jam pact in story land. Having said all that Michael still feels separate? Am I delusional or have I a split personality, Doctor V;)
From me 2U;)

[dreamer]

Hi Michael

Not true:) I know I`m in 2 minds, one illusion, the other crawling along dragging the past story of a separate self.

Ok, so there are one part of mind that is an illusion, and you know it - and another part who THINK HE IS THE THINKER AND DOER. Who THINKS HE HAS A HISTORY. What is history? A mind collection of thoughts and feelings with an I clung to it, telling it is MY history. This I also does not exist - or - CAN YOU FIND IT?

When you say a collection, where are they stored? Memory?

DONT ASK - LOOK FOR YOUR SELF!

So when happening happens the me some how thinks it belongs solely to the illusionary me?

Yes - for how long will you be dragged around by an illusion???

Even though A GROWING new thought is coming in to take out the unnecessary delusional false me me;)

GOOD! There are only one 'false' me, there are no me besides that.

I don't think that you have a split personality. It can be felt like a kind of scizofrenia....I also don't think you are delusional. I think there is fright of something...and that is just a thought.

Now focus on the looking! You are welcome to use the crutch I gave you.

Warm regards Vivi

[Unity]

You are welcome to use the crutch I gave you.

Can`t even find the crutch, then serious trouble apears:( But hay let it be and all is fine:) I am still,separate:(

I think there is fright of something..

The only thing/thought that frightens the little me, is wasting time, which I appear to do all the time:( Even though i complete all the doing tasks I have too.
Except this one, seeing no separate self, which appears to be taking an eternity:( Knowing there is only one self, helps, yet engaging the mind to comprehend and feel it`s full undiluted presence is not happening, or should i say not being recognised, yet:( Damn, feeling a tiny disappointed in time wasting:(
Thoughts come up and feelings seem to be attached and drain energy. Then thinking upon anything becomes boring and uninteresting, probably because (I) (think) (I) (thought) them into existence, when in fact they arose and (I) claimed them as (MINE) so disappointment grabs a firm hold on my existence . Stupid Boy:(