Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Lubo » Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am

Wonderful Marz,
Yes. No self.
Shame, guilt, self does not exist without thought.
Until now all attention and focus is on this weight - shame, guilt, self-story.
Now let's focus on what is here?
Notice what is to clear this moment from self-story?
Notice without a self, who is caring on the whole this?, what is this made of?

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Marz » Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:12 am

Hiya,
Until now all attention and focus is on this weight - shame, guilt, self-story.
Now let's focus on what is here?
Here, there is hearing (husband busy in kitchen-noises, birds outside-sounds, music-on-radio), feeling (air on skin, pressure of sitting, vibratory, flowy sensations in body), smelling (food cooking in kitchen), seeing (colours in room), and thinking (“Here we go again, I will never get this!” Why am I not getting this?”)
Notice what is to clear this moment from self-story?
The hearing, feeling, smelling and seeing is clear and real. Even thinking is real. Its something that comes up and can be observed. However, the content of the thought is not real. It does not refer to anything real. It refers to MORE thoughts (memories: thoughts of me sitting like this previously). The feelings in the body of hopelessness is clear & real.
Notice without a self, who is caring on the whole this?
Yes, who is feeling hopeless and like they will never get this? Just more thought-stuffs. There is nothing real behind this. There is just “caring”. Just “feeling hopelessness”.
what is this made of? Nothing. Yet, it feels like there must be SOMETHING behind all this. Perhaps because there is “hoping” that there is something. Who wants to know THIS so badly!!? Nobody, there is just this. And what is this made of? It feels like love. Or a big gift from love. Words are silly. And then some fear to let go completely, because “I need to get ready for work…and what if I can’t function”.

I'll get back to this as soon as I can tonight.....
Love,
Marz

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Lubo » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:44 am

Hi dear Marz,
Here, there is hearing (husband busy in kitchen-noises, birds outside-sounds, music-on-radio), feeling (air on skin, pressure of sitting, vibratory, flowy sensations in body), smelling (food cooking in kitchen), seeing (colours in room), and thinking (“Here we go again, I will never get this!” Why am I not getting this?”)
You notice during the wondering "I will never get this" - that everything is happening by itself?
The feelings in the body of hopelessness is clear & real.
Nice. Stay here and notice: does the body aware of hopelessness?
If not are you a body?
Notice that the "hopelessness" is а protective pattern which belongs to the story I am this body with that story?
But body, soуnds, birds...etc appear by themselves and you are none.
Dive in sensations, in the darkness. Stay there and notice: everything which appears and disappear, everything which moves is known from this dark place which doesn't move or no?
And then you can notice thoughts-programs which claims that this is very dangerous place and you have to get out of there immediately because...
because “I need to get ready for work…and what if I can’t function”.
?

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Marz » Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:16 am

Hi Lubo,
Apologies for the delay in getting back to you. Experiencing lots of resistance and finding distractions. Enough of that now and back to looking at what is real!
You notice during the wondering "I will never get this" - that everything is happening by itself?
That thought is also just happening by itself, yes. Those types of thoughts are quite familiar, based on that favourite old conditioned belief of "I'm not good enough".
Nice. Stay here and notice: does the body aware of hopelessness?
No, the body is not aware of any emotion. There is only the experience of the emotion.
If not are you a body?
No.
Dive in sensations, in the darkness. Stay there and notice: everything which appears and disappear, everything which moves is known from this dark place which doesn't move or no?
Yes, this dark, still space. Everything moves in it: sensations, sounds, thoughts. The thoughts turn into stories of why this space is dangerous or boring. Sleepiness arises, fear arises.
One story in particular – my aunt, when she was 20, had a mental breakdown, which was later classified as psychosis, and she lived in a mental institution for the rest of her life.
I’ve noticed some thoughts (“I’ll go insane!”) arise around this story and a fear that letting go will result in the same outcome for me. When this happens, do I just allow this fear to be felt fully?

Thank you again Lubo!!
Love,
Marz

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Lubo » Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:53 pm

Hi dear Marz,
Nice. Stay here and notice: does the body aware of hopelessness?
No, the body is not aware of any emotion. There is only the experience of the emotion.
Wonderful, so the body is not ashamed and guilty for anything? Body/women is absolutely innocent and pure .
What is to find that?
I’ve noticed some thoughts (“I’ll go insane!”) arise around this story and a fear that letting go will result in the same outcome for me. When this happens, do I just allow this fear to be felt fully?
Mm, notice that you cannot become insane because you are not insane? Can you become something which you are not , only because of thought-voice?
Yes, notice the fear, hug is, allow it to overwhelm the body.
And notice that the fear is here but this doesn't mean that there is a tiger in the room?

And then you can notice the joy and aliveness here and to ask "What if there is only This and there is only freedom, my true nature?"
And notice what is really here - Self or freedom?
word "Non-dual" points that there is no way both to exist ;)

Notice the emotions and contractions and answer: Could any of them belong to something imagined as Cinderella or a person?
What does it mean to discover that nothing belongs to personality, but to freedom?

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Marz » Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:43 am

Hi Lubo,

Thanks for your perseverance!
Wonderful, so the body is not ashamed and guilty for anything? Body/women is absolutely innocent and pure .
What is to find that?
Right here in direct experience, the body just is, yes. There are skin, nails, hair, arms, hands, legs. It can’t be guilty or ashamed of anything. I’ve never thought of my body as innocent or pure, but yes, that is what everything is in this moment!
Mm, notice that you cannot become insane because you are not insane? Can you become something which you are not , only because of thought-voice?
Hahahahaha true! I think this story has lost its grip. Its been seen as just a thought (without a thinker).
And notice that the fear is here but this doesn't mean that there is a tiger in the room?
Exactly!
And then you can notice the joy and aliveness here and to ask "What if there is only This and there is only freedom, my true nature?"
There is a sense of aliveness yes. Joy: not so sure! Let me look again at what is on this side…. Contracted, dense sensations in the upper face. Am I these sensations? No, I am aware of these sensations. Where does sensations end and awareness of sensation begin?...
There is no separation… So I am nothing that can be experienced.....AND everything that is being experienced...?
And notice what is really here - Self or freedom?
No self. Freedom, no. Perhaps there is an expectation of what freedom should feel like.
Notice the emotions and contractions and answer: Could any of them belong to something imagined as Cinderella or a person?
Right, I’ll look at this contraction in the face again (which very much feels like self today. What the heck?). No, these don’t belong to Cinderella, hehehehe. She fake! 😊 Do they belong to Marz? No, she fake too! Hahahahaha!
What does it mean to discover that nothing belongs to personality, but to freedom?
Riiiiiight. It is being held by this open space. This nothingness.

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Lubo » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:25 am

Hi Marz,
Wonderful revelation :)
Nice!
What does it mean to discover that nothing belongs to personality, but to freedom?
Riiiiiight. It is being held by this open space. This nothingness.
Ok. let's see more practical level. What is this in the space, Look around:
- is it made by separate things ?
- are you separate from this moment?
Notice the story abut previous moment and now - connection is only the story about "me, identity", can you see this?
And me/self/Identity is made by this moment + story or from something real?
Notice what is here and find:
Are you made from identity or from what this moment is made of?

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Marz » Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:07 am

Hi Lubo,

The character-me so desparately wants to get this. To not disappoint you. To get validation. Yet, intellectually I know the character-me can't "get" anything. It does not exist!
Ok. let's see more practical level. What is this in the space, Look around:
- is it made by separate things?
No. It does not consist out of things.
- are you separate from this moment?
There is a sense or assumption of being separate yes: me, experiencing this moment. But when I look for me, there is only this moment. Can’t find me. Yet, the sense of separation continues!!
Notice the story about previous moment and now - connection is only the story about "me, identity", can you see this?
Yes, there is a BIG difference between now and previous moment. “Previous moment” is a thought: an image-thought of this body removing a bag from the car, walking through the door. It feels like this memory is about “me”. It also feels like, in this now, there is a me, looking at this memory.
And me/self/Identity is made by this moment + story or from something real?
Me/self/identity = this moment + story. Correct. Me/self/identity is not made out of anything real.
Notice what is here and find:
Are you made from identity or from what this moment is made of?
I think I’m getting this intellectually. I am consciousness (what this moment is made of). Without awareness of this moment, this moment won’t exist. I can’t be made from identity. Its wishy-washy wispy clouds, a shadow, not real.

Thank you so much Lubo!
Marz

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Lubo » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:28 am

Hi dear Marz,
Sorry for the delay respond. please if you don't receive my answer 2 days, send me a question "?" mark,
thank you in advance :)
The character-me so desparately wants to get this. To not disappoint you. To get validation. Yet, intellectually I know the character-me can't "get" anything. It does not exist!
yes, exactly, notice is there a character without identification with shame, guilt...?
Can you point something else wich the character is?
No. It does not consist out of things.
Wonderful, stay here.
There is a sense or assumption of being separate yes: me, experiencing this moment. But when I look for me, there is only this moment. Can’t find me. Yet, the sense of separation continues!!

Yes, notice what exactly is separate? Notice what is in the body and behind the eyes? There is a person or what can you find?
Without awareness of this moment, this moment won’t exist. I can’t be made from identity.
Yes. Notice what the word "awareness" points to?
What is in the body? What is behind the eyes?
Where the thoughts are coming from? Is there a space around the thoughts or there is e person hard making thoughts?

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Marz » Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:50 am

Hi Lubo,

Sure, will do thanks! I'll also try to reply more regularly.
yes, exactly, notice is there a character without identification with shame, guilt...?
The assumption of a character is constantly there, unless I’m aware of thoughts and can see them for what they are (for instance while doing self-inquiry or when replying to you).
Can you point something else which the character is?
The person who was doing inquiry 10 minutes ago (that’s a thought, can’t point to it). The owner of everything in this room (thought, can’t point to that either). The person who got triggered by a colleague earlier today (thought!). The person who is typing this, trying to give a good answer and looking… Hang on, nope, there is no person or character. There is typing and trying and looking.
Wonderful, stay here.
Great, thanks for reiterating this!!
Yes, notice what exactly is separate?
Hmmmm. So everything in the visual field is here. Not separate. Seen as one. There is an assumption of separation: me vs. that, but ACTUALLY there is only THAT.
Notice what is in the body and behind the eyes? There is a person or what can you find?
In the body I find all kinds of sensations and space. Behind the eyes: sensations….and space? No person.
Yes. Notice what the word "awareness" points to?
It’s the experiencing? Seeing, hearing, feeling? Or am I missing something?
What is in the body? What is behind the eyes?
Oh, also attention! Attention moves from body to behind eyes. Is attention and awareness same?
Where the thoughts are coming from? Is there a space around the thoughts or there is e person hard making thoughts?
Space yes. Definitely no person generating thoughts. The thoughts just appear in space. Space = awareness = attention? I’m pretty sure I’ve come to this conclusion before. It feels new every time, hehehehehe. And now we are back at your suggestion from earlier: “Stay here” 😊

Thanks again Lubo,
Lots of love
Marz

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Lubo » Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:21 am

hi dear Marz,
You are in front of the gate..
Let's put aside the word awareness.

and look here:
The person who was doing inquiry 10 minutes ago (that’s a thought, can’t point to it). The owner of everything in this room (thought, can’t point to that either). The person who got triggered by a colleague earlier today (thought!). The person who is typing this, trying to give a good answer and looking… Hang on, nope, there is no person or character. There is typing and trying and looking.
Yes. Wonderful. Stay here :)
and notice the image of a self me.
Then notice is this image known by others?
By reality around, check?

Without the thoughts-story does it known at all?

If it exist only in the mind - does it real? Can this one speaks, writes, makes coffee, love...? check :)
Do you still believe in Santa? What about this imagined character which is guilty, with a lot of sins, is it known by anyone? Check :)

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Marz » Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:08 am

Hi Lubo,
I’m not so sure about the nearness of the gate, but hey, you’re the expert! 😉
and notice the image of a self me.
Then notice is this image known by others?
No, this image can’t be known by others. It is only known by me.
By reality around, check?
No. The image is not known by anything else.
Without the thoughts-story is it known at all?
Yikes. No.
If it exist only in the mind - does it real? Can this one speaks, writes, makes coffee, love...? check :)
No. A thought can’t do any of those things 😊
Do you still believe in Santa? What about this imagined character which is guilty, with a lot of sins, is it known by anyone? Check :)
That character is genuinely all made up then. Crickey! I’ll let this sink in a bit…
That gate is perhaps closer than I thought…

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Lubo » Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:00 am

Hi dear Marz,
Yes you are closer than you think :)
If it exist only in the mind - does it real? Can this one speaks, writes, makes coffee, love...? check :)
No. A thought can’t do any of those things 😊
Yes, thoughts cannot. But is this image "me" can do anything? Is it known this "me" from the rest of the world, check, look around?
That character is genuinely all made up then. Crickey! I’ll let this sink in a bit…
Yes, made up :)
Notice right now, does the reading knows what kind of "a me" is doing it?
Does the reading knows that there is a "doer, reader" and what is the story of this doer/reader is?
:)

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Marz » Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:12 am

Hi Lubo,
You are pointing to something that I just seem to miss! The “me” is hoping to GET THIS before going on another retreat (a 10-day silent retreat booked, starting 1 March). I can't find proof that there is anyboy here who can make any seeing happen though. Yet, something is trying so damn hard.

Back to this moment:
Yes, thoughts cannot. But is this image "me" can do anything? Is it known this "me" by the rest of the world, check, look around?
Sensations don’t know this “me”. Colours and shapes don’t know this “me”. Sounds don’t know it. The world doesn’t know anything. It just is.
Notice right now, does the reading knows what kind of "a me" is doing it?
No. Reading just happens. Reading is…..neutral….and still. It doesn’t know this “me”.
Does the reading knows that there is a "doer, reader" and what the story of this doer/reader is?
Reading doesn’t know anything. Reading is happening. Its real. Its this. “Doer” and “reader” is not real. Its assumptions.

Soooo desperate for this gate to move closer!! And then a minute later happy with just this. Nowhere to go.

Thank you Lubo!! So much appreciation and love,
Marz

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Re: Urgh! This constant dissatisfaction will be the end of me!

Postby Lubo » Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:59 pm

Hi dear Marz,
The “me” is hoping to GET THIS
Notice the game:
Mind is coming with a image "I, me" then says: "This image is I, me and I (image of a mind) am mind of this image

To brake trough, check if there is a you thinking then notice What are you doing precisely to think?

What if all these images are imagination's game?
Imagination of an I, me + imagination of a mind + imagination of thinker
What is at Direct Experience? :)

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