Thank you Lubo, what an up-and-down-rollercoaster ride (melted wax ceilings included). And this ride aint over yet...
Yes, notice the trick - Lubo's face, Lubo's voice, memory about Lubo - but is there something exactly which Lubo is? Is there an entity behind the face, behind the voice? or Lubo is the name of Face, voice, ...experience called lubo? :)
There is an assumption that there is an entity, a person behind the face and voice, but when I look closer, it is all just experience. The sound of voice is not Lubo. The name is not Lubo, the face is not Lubo.
Notice the flower in the room is there flower which owns anything there or flower is a label for this exact experience?
The experience of flower and the label of flower is not the same thing at all. The label doesn't nearly reflect the experience.
Wonderful question, what can be found here, what exactly is you but not experience?
I don’t know, I don’t know! There is something here which can’t be labelled. The feeling of presence. Its not experience. What is this presence-substance!!?
Wonderful. Yes, there is a lot of shame in society. But realising that everything is made by wax - we recognised all this heavy belief is absolutely made up. Without a person is there a purpose of life?
The purpose of life is to live, I guess? However, life can’t be anything else than alive. Life just is. So no purpose. Purpose is also only thought: no person, no purpose.
What is the purpose of all this?
There really is no purpose to anything. This is not something that “the person” (who does not actually exist!) like to hear. Lots of fear, anger, sadness that comes up. I guess this is now some “dark night” stuff raising its head after lovely retreat-high-experience.
Can you find meaning, Direct Experience of a meaning?
Meaning can’t be found. It’s also just a cute little story that makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside.
or there are just desires?
The experience of desire is a feeling, yes. Sensations in the body.
Notice also without shame and guilt is there something which is exactly - responsibility? like a flower, wall, smile, how responsibility looks like, where is it exactly? Is there such thing at all?
Nope, can’t find responsibility. Also just thoughts. The shame and guilt make it feel real. Again, a cute story that gets told from generation to generation and then believed.
I found here how desires are unfolding as saving money, but is there such thing as choice? is there a chooser? is it posible this to be also made up by shame and guilt? What you found at Direct Experience?
True. The “choosing” that happens, depends on the fear, shame, guilt that is being experienced. There is no choice. Only “choosing”, but by no chooser.
Which behaviour? :)
There is no actual thing that can be pointed to and called “behaviour”. 😊 It’s judgement-thoughts of what is happening.
Yes, free will points that there is someone which have a control panel to rule what appears, but is there such a centre. person with control device?
No, there are thoughts that claim free will: “I have the free will to go to work or not go to work. See, I have chosen to go to work”. But going to work just happens…and the thought claims that it “willed” that happening. There is no person or control centre.
Notice without a person, responsibility, choice, someone's free will, guilt - look around isn't it everything is free from any will?
No will, no purpose, no meaning, no responsibility. This is really quite frightening and depressing, as it sinks in. There is nothing in this now “for a person”. No person? “The person” is clinging on for dear life!
Isn't it everything free will already
? It’s both sides of the same coin, I guess. Both frightening and freeing. Everything is just the way it is. So beautiful and perfect. The illusion is still in place, but everything at its own time.
With gratitude & love,
Marz
