Guidance

[SteveJ]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
The I doesnt exist, that the "I"that i believe is me, is simply programmed concepts,beliefs which have been adopted into the being to which I believed was "steve"

What are you looking for at LU?
Clarity of the untangling process, the simple unadulterated truth. Experienced guides who have the ability to aid with "going within myself" I guess also a journal so I can see any progress that has been made

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
A succession of guidance/pointing which will take me out of thought and into the true nature of the mysterious life.. the ability to bounce my experiences to gain the warmth of "knowing" im on the right track and not in a delusion state of mind.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
Been seeking a long time, eckhart tollie, kick started the inquisitive nature of self.
Heaps of self enquiry, glimpes of things unexplainable.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
10

[Anastacia42]

Hi Steve,

My name is Stacy and I can be your guide, if you would like.

One thing I want to make very clear up front is that with me, you must post every day. If you know yourself and your schedule are such that you cannot do this, tell me, "no," and someone else can guide you, please.

Yes, if once in a while you must post later, please post a note telling me when you will return.

If you know yourself to be a skeptical person, prone to doubt, I may not be the best guide for you. I never had any doubt. I can connect you with one of our other guides who did & who can guide you better than I.

If you haven't already read the disclaimer, please read it now and just confirm to me that you have read it. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/disclaimer-2/

Also please read “Liberation Unleashed is not …” in the FAQ’s of LU. Here is the link.

http://liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041

Some housekeeping guidelines:

1. Post at least once a day, or every second day. If you need more time, or are unable to post for several days, just write a quick post on your thread to let me know please.

2. There is no one judging answers given, so please be 100% honest in your answers and inquiry.

3. This exploration is based on actual experience (AE) - smell, taste, sound, sensation, color and observed thoughts. Long-winded analytical and philosophical answers are best avoided and may even hinder progress. This is not a self-improvement process. There is no ‘self’ to improve.

4. Put aside all other teachings, philosophies, rituals, practices, books/reading and so on for the remainder of this investigation. Really put all your effort and attention in to seeing this reality, as it is. If you have a daily meditation practice, it is fine to continue that but is not necessary for this exploration.

Technology is not perfect and sometimes there is a glitch which can wipe out your responses. It is advisable that you copy and paste questions asked into Word, answer them there and then copy and paste them to your thread. Always save a copy of what you have done, it will save time in the long run!

To begin with, so that we both become aware of what your expectations are about this exploration. In your own words (not from actual experience, but just honest answers), could you please answer the 4 following questions:

How will life change?
How will you change?
What will be different?
What is missing?

Throughout this exploration I would like you to answer all questions that I have written in blue text. Please answer all questions even if I miss using the blue text.

Please answer questions individually, remembering to use the quote function to highlight the question being answered.

Below is a link to the video with instructions on using the Quote Function. Please watch it. Use the PREVIEW button to make sure your text looks right before you hit "SUBMIT."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?

Loving,

[SteveJ]

Hi Stacy, so grateful for this response.

Please call me steve

Im in the UK




How will life change?

I really dont know how to answer this truthfully.. I have no desire other than truth Stacy


How will you change?

Im really unsure, . I had written a large amount to this question Stacy and then when I re read what I had put down and pondered your question, my truthful answer is I really dont know,

What will be different?

I feel that there is more to life than this stacy, ive always had this feeling, im hoping with your guidance the I that I think I am no longer exists

What is missing?


Guidance is missing Stacy, im not the best educated and I get tangled in words, awareness, consciousness, awakening, realisation etc... English and words have never been my strong point although I am English speaking.. words have too many different meanings.. so really im stuck in the words in seeking who I am...

So grateful for your guidance Stacy

Kindest regards
Steve

[Anastacia42]

Hi Steve,

You'll do fine. Just follow the instructions. It's not hard, really.

What comes up when is read that there is no self, never has been & never will be. That it is all a made up story?

Much love,

[SteveJ]

Hi Stacy, thankyou so much.

What comes up when is read that there is no self, never has been & never will be. That it is all a made up story?

When the message was read, Stacy I got a butterfly feeling in my chest and sensations all around my face, the sensation is still there, breathing into the sensation and feeling it, it is warm and slowly dissipating. Now its gone .. just left with a tinitus sound that always comes when I become aware of it..

I really hope this makes sense Stacy and im not deluded.

So grateful for supporting me

Regards

Steve

[Anastacia42]

Good. Deluded about what?

Also...

There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend:

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com

You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo
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Meet up with vince (For LU seekers & guides)

Monday August 14

Sydney (est) Australia. 6 am right now
Every 2 weeks after that.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Let him know if you want email reminders.
vinceschubert@gmail.com

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Ilona's Meetings

Next group meeting on Zoom is on the 4th of September. (There was one October 9. Not sure when next one is. )

To register send Ilona an email to

admin@ilonaciunaite.com

Looking forward :)


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(videos)

Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

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Have fun with these.

Loving,

[SteveJ]

Hi Stacy,

Deluded about what?

I have read a few blogs on here Stacy, also I have Ilonas book (liberation unleashed) so the " me" was unsure if this technique of feeling into the sensation was correct.
I guess this indicates a "doubt" emotion?

Deep thanks Stacy

Regards
Steve

[SteveJ]

Hi Stacy,

I have watched all of the videos with Ilona and Jim, it was these videos that highlighted to the "me" to register with LU to ask for assistance.

Kind regards
Steve

[Anastacia42]

Excellent!

This should answer your question about how to LOOK:

This is how to LOOK for no self in the exercises - we call them "pointers' - that we will be doing here:

Colored Socks

There is a big difference between knowing that there is nothing to give up and seeing that there is nothing to give up.

Here is an example to illustrate the difference:

If I ask you what color socks you are wearing right now you have two ways to come up with an answer:

• You can think about it, you can think back to this morning and try to remember putting your socks on, and you can probably tell me what color you think they are.

• Alternatively, you can take a quick look at your socks and tell me what color they actually are!

Hopefully you would agree that you can only be 100% certain by looking.

For the purpose of seeing this "no self" idea, it is very important that you are clear about this difference.

Knowing is about knowledge which is all in the mind and we are not interested in that

We are only interested in looking at and seeing what is actually going on in your present moment-to-moment experience. We are only interested in your Direct Experience in the moment..

Direct or Actual Experience is

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion. Emotion is Sensation plus made-up thoughts & labels)
Tasting
Smelling
Thoughts Arising (but not their content)

Please let me know if you are clear about this or if you would like any further clarification.


Loving,

[SteveJ]

Hi Stacy,

Direct or Actual Experience is

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion. Emotion is Sensation plus made-up thoughts & labels)
Tasting
Smelling
Thoughts Arising (but not their content)

All the above is crystal clear, in my direct experience whilst self enquiry. I had observed the thought and then I had the stomach sensations which related directly to the thought. Breathing into the sensation and feeling it really did free the sensation.. since constantly conducting this practice, it is recognised the feeling comes prior to the thought. I welcome the sensation, allow the sensation to relay a message yet I dont see or recognise what the thought is.
I continue this as a routine currently.

Thank you Stacy, this has gripped me so strongly, in finding truth, I will spend every waking moment enquiring..Much gratitude.

Warmest regards
Steve

[SteveJ]

Hi Stacy,
I hope everything is ok. Just not heard any correspondence. I will continue self enquiring until we resume contact.
Thank you Stacy.

Warm regards
Steve

[SteveJ]

2 days ago, in the evening, whilst observing around the living room, Stacy, the labels dropped, all that was seen was colours and shapes. However the following day, the labels returned.
Very interesting happening.

Warm Regards

Steve

[Anastacia42]

Hi Steve,

I did not mean to ignore your communication. I didn't get the notification on the second one.

Okay, onward, sorry for the delay!


Direct Experience - Labeling Daily Activities

Here's an exercise that I would like you to try as many times throughout the day as you can. Label daily activities simply color/image, sound, smell, taste, sensation, thought.

So for example, when having breakfast, become aware of:

Seeing a cup, simply= image/color
Smelling coffee, simply = smell
Feeling the warmth of the coffee cup, simply = sensation
Tasting the coffee, simply = taste
Hearing the spoon stirring the coffee, simply = sound
Thought about drinking the coffee, simply = thought

Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all Actual/Direct Experience) and report back with lists exactly like the one above.

Post several of your own observations in a list *exactly* like the one above, please.

Refer to the green list of Actual/Direct Experience in the prior post if that helps. Those are the only items any experience can be.

Loving,

[SteveJ]

Hi Stacy,
Thanks for this excersise.
Can I clarify whats required ? Ie walking the dog, whilst walking do i try to see colors without the labels tree, bush etc and report back
Or
Like this whilst sat down contemplating

Sat down ...sensations, seeing
Chair noise...sound
Mother yawns..sound
Holding phone...sensation, seeing
Dog moves...noise
look around the room..seeing colours and shapes
Shiver...sensation
Scratch nose ..sensation
Move position... sensations, sound.
Awareness of sound, sensations and the silence between happenings.

Feel im not understanding of the task
Sorry

Kind regards
Steve

[Anastacia42]

Close.

On the left is your usual (made up) description of what's happening.

On the right is ONLY the exact Direct Experience from this list:

Direct or Actual Experience is

Seeing
Hearing
Feeling (Sensation, not emotion. Emotion is Sensation plus made-up thoughts & labels)
Tasting
Smelling
Thoughts Arising

It should be simple.

Loving,