Salir de ilusion

[Anastacia42]

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[Anastacia42]

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Seeing things without the word-label doesn't happen all the time. I have to "provoke" it and then stay with it. It is the same that, during the rest of the day, outside of formal meditation, I bring my "I-Conscious-Presence" to the foreground. Then it happens that the three wonderful things come together at the same time: the "I-Presence", the permanence in the deep now and the perception of the world without labels. Any of those three things leads you to the other two, although I usually start by first establishing myself in the "I-Presence-Conscious".

This vision of the world is like seeing everything new and fresh all the time, which is a source of joy and happiness. However, this is something that I have to look for, although it is not difficult for me to do so. I suppose that if I travel many times to this place, there will come a time when I will stay in it and I will not have to travel anymore. It is something I wish with all my heart.
Thank you very much Stacy


Bien, estás VIENDO pero recuerda que el VER vendrá y se irá. ¿Recuerdas esos 2 videos?

https://youtu.be/vJQcD588g2w

and

https://youtu.be/PUDzrCLlrj4

No va a ser permanente.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Aquí hay un puntero para mirar "control".

Ejercicio de voltear la palma de la mano

1. Sostenga una mano frente a usted; palma hacia abajo.

2. Ahora gire la palma hacia arriba. Y abajo... y arriba y así sucesivamente.

Mira como un halcón.

No vaya a los pensamientos: examine su experiencia directa.

Haz esto tantas veces como quieras, y cada vez pregunta:

¿Cómo se controla el movimiento?

¿Lo controla un pensamiento?

¿Se puede localizar un "controlador" de cualquier descripción?

¿Cómo se toma la decisión de entregar la mano? Realice un seguimiento de cualquier punto de decisión cuando un pensamiento TOMÓ LA DECISIÓN de dar la vuelta a la mano y la mano se da la vuelta inmediatamente.

¿Quién o qué eligió qué mano, la izquierda o la derecha para el ejercicio?

¿Puedes encontrar un individuo separado o cualquier cosa que elija cuándo girar la palma hacia arriba o hacia abajo?

Cariñoso,

[Tadeo]

How is movement controlled? Is it controlled by a thought?

I look at the hand from above, like a hawk watching the movement of a prey. Except for the first movement of extending the arm, the turns of the hand seem to be made by the body, one could say automatically, without the intervention of thought. Only at first does thought say "extend your arm with the palm of your hand down and now turn upwards." The following turns occur without the intervention of thought. The movements are controlled by the body that seems to act independently of me.

Can a "controller" be located for any description?

The "I-Presence-Conscious" observes the turns of the hand, but does not intervene in them. The body seems to be solely responsible. However, the decision to stop spinning comes from a thought, that is, it comes from the mind. The location of the controller seems to be in the body, although one does not know very well what the body is or what place it occupies, therefore, the location of the controller is very imprecise, and the description of the controller is impossible. The more one fixates on all this, the body, the controller, the hand turning, the more everything is diluted and the less consistency it seems to have. It is difficult to grasp the body/controller entity.

How do you make the decision to hand over your hand? Keep track of any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns around immediately.

The decision is made by thought as a response to executing an exercise. A desire for experimentation and curiosity arises in the mind: "What will this be?" The thought-mind orders to extend the arm with the hand face down and make the first turn. In the following turns there is no control of the thought-mind. Curiosity has disappeared, there are only the twists of the hand.

Who or what chose which hand, left or right for the exercise?

Very good question. I don't know, and since I don't know it's very likely that it wasn't the thought mind. It was very fast, I extended my right arm. I guess I did it that way because I'm right-handed, but the choice of one arm or the other I think had to be executed by the body. Perhaps it was the mind in a very rapid movement of thought. But I don't think so. I think it was a decision made only by the body.

Stacy, I effectively use Google Translate to publish. I try to write Spanish as simple as possible to make the translation easier for the software. Maybe I could write it in English, but it would take a long time and make mistakes.
Thanks a lot.
Paco.

[Anastacia42]

Buenos dias, Paco,

Mayormente bueno, excepto. . .

¿Cómo se puede decir que el "cuerpo" hace o decide algo? ¿Recuerdas el ejercicio corporal que hiciste arriba?

The body seems to be solely responsible.
El cuerpo parece ser el único responsable.

Está en la naturaleza de un "cuerpo" decidir algo?

Creo que fue una decisión tomada sólo por el cuerpo.

¿Cómo un "cuerpo", que has descubierto que es una ilusión, "decide" algo?
No puede, ¿verdad?

Efectivamente uso Google Translate para publicar.

Eso está funcionando. Es solo que no había traducción en una publicación. Estamos bien ahora.

Cariñosa,

[Tadeo]

Is it in the nature of a body to decide anything?

No. It is certainly not in the nature of a body to decide anything. It is not an entity with the capacity to decide. If the mind does not decide the movement of the hand and the body does not decide and the "I-Presence-Conscious" only observes, who decides the movement of the hand? It seems that no one decides, it just happens. I'm not sure. However, there are many things that seem to happen without anyone deciding them. For example, all the activity of nature.
Thanks a lot.

Paco.

[Anastacia42]

¡Exactamente! nadie decide ¡No hay nadie allí *para* decidir! O la intención o nada de eso.

¿Qué pasa con el llamado "libre albedrío"? ¡La misma cosa!

Todo es solo un misterio.

¿Puedes ver esto? ¿Como en ella es tu experiencia vivida, no pensamiento o lógica? Ha publicado algunas cosas que indican que ha tenido el cambio y está VIENDO estas cosas.

Cariñosa,

[Tadeo]

Can you see this?

Seeing it clearly and permanently no, I don't see it. What I have is an intuition of it. I can approach it when I am in "I-Presence-Conscious", just as I can approach the non-existence of mind-thoughts. But seeing it all the time, no. The good news is that I can be in my "I-Presence-Mindful" for many moments a day, in addition to the prolonged sitting meditation sessions. On the other hand, I am convinced that the state in "I-Presence-Conscious" will come to have forever 😊.
With affection and gratitude,
Paco.

[Anastacia42]

Hi Paco,

Seeing it clearly and permanently no

Bien, estás VIENDO pero recuerda que el VER vendrá y se irá. ¿Recuerdas los 2 videos?

No va a ser permanente.

Lea esto de nuevo: no será permanente. Vendrá y se irá.

¿Lo entiendes?

Cariñosa,

[Tadeo]

Read this again: it won't be permanent. It will come and go.

The truth is that everything has begun to collapse and that, as Ilona Ciunaite says, I am in the process of Falling. The collapse is slow and there is still resistance from my ego, but I realize it, which makes those resistances weaker than before. I also have faith in the truth and my willingness to let everything old that doesn't work go away.
Certainly, the moments of bliss are so wonderful that one wants them to last forever. But it is clear that this cannot happen overnight and that it may take a long time before it happens or simply never happens. Whatever is to be will be, and I wholeheartedly accept it.
On the other hand, I have to say that I feel very good, that I am very lucky to have contacted you as a guide and that your help is very important and valuable. For that I will always be very grateful.
With affection and gratitude,
Paco.

[Anastacia42]

Hola,

¡Eres tan bienvenido! Estoy trabajando por la paz mundial, una mente a la vez.

Estaré mostrando sus respuestas a otras guías, que pueden tener preguntas.

1) ¿Existe una entidad separada 'yo', 'yo', 'yo', en absoluto, en cualquier lugar, de cualquier manera, figura o forma? ¿Hubo alguna vez?

2) Explique en detalle qué es la ilusión del yo separado, cuándo comienza y cómo funciona a partir de su propia experiencia. Descríbelo completamente como lo ves ahora.

3) ¿Qué se siente al ver esto? ¿Cuál es la diferencia con respecto a antes de que comenzaras este diálogo? Por favor informe de los últimos días.

4) ¿Qué fue lo último que te empujó, te hizo mirar?

5) Describa la decisión y dé ejemplos de la experiencia.

Describa la intención y dé ejemplos de la experiencia.

Describa el libre albedrío y dé ejemplos de la experiencia.

Describa la elección y dé ejemplos de la experiencia.

Describa el control y dé ejemplos de la experiencia.

¿Qué hace que las cosas sucedan? ¿Como funciona?

¿De qué eres responsable? Da ejemplos de la experiencia.

6) ¿Algo que agregar?

Cariñosa,

[Tadeo]

1. Is there a separate entity "I," "I," "I," at all, anywhere, in any way, shape, shape, or form? Was there ever?

No, there is no separate entity "me". The creation of a real, autonomous and independent "me" is an illusion. The construction of this "I" is an unreality. The result is an error of enormous gravity, for in it is the cause of all suffering and pain. There is no "I", no form, no figure, no here or there, nothing, zero.

2. Explain in detail what the illusion of the separate "me" is, when it begins, and how it works from your own experience.

The illusion of the separate "me" is the erroneous belief in a personalized, autonomous, independent existence of a thought-mind within a body with which it forms a unity and with which it interacts and presents itself to itself and to the world. Belief feeds itself on a process of self-construction through the progressive and timely addition of mental creations and thought formations. This addition begins from the age of three approximately, with a growing selection of ideas-thoughts where some are accepted and others are discarded. The result is the fiction of an independent individual among millions of independent individuals. The individual considers himself unique, apart from others and with his own life circumstances. This individual needs to protect himself for his subsistence and, for this, he creates a whole defensive system around his person, both physical and mental. By which life becomes an exhausting and permanent struggle.

3. How does it feel to see this? What's the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report the last few days.

Seeing this, the first thing one feels is a great and sudden absence of a multitude of things that were out there and suddenly disappear. It is like watching a very long movie and in which, suddenly, the images disappear, the lights come on, the sound disappears and only the presence of an empty and silent screen remains. After a while they reappear, but they are less and less and have less strength. Its "existence" has lasted a long time and the resistance it opposes to disappear is strong. However, demolishing is always easier than building. In addition, the liberating effect of such demolition is enormous and facilitates the work.
The difference from now to before your help is remarkable. Although before and, thanks to the help of another person and my work, the road was quite clear. Anyway, your push has been definitive to SEE.
The last days are a constant coming to this place on my shoulders where there is nothing but capacity and awareness.

[Anastacia42]

¡Hermoso! Buscaré el resto cuando pueda.

[Tadeo]

What was the last thing that pushed you, made you look?

The last thing that pushed me was the effectiveness of the exercises that you have given me, especially the one with the apple and the one that the labels and their words are not the object. Looking at things as they are, in their absolute sobriety, without any supposedly complementary addition and without any designation, was decisive in contemplating the nakedness of the world. This contemplation, when directed towards oneself, causes a demolition effect of the entire fictitious edifice of the separate "I". Being of the same mind-thought nature, the cultural covering with which the world and the fictitious building of the “I” are qualified, defined and delimited, the fact of seeing the unreality of one leads to seeing the unreality of the other. The first effect of this collapse is the manifestation of a wonderful emptiness that has always been, will be, and is there. This vast emptiness is a blessing.

Describe the decision and give examples from experience.

The decision was and is a permanent desire to know the truth of the world and my real nature. The experience is a seeing, that comes and goes, of the unreality of the world and of the unreality of this "I" that experiences it. Seeing that the mind-thought is the cause of all this fiction is something tremendous because it is the terrible and, at the same time, wonderful vision of the disappearance of the world and, of course, of the "I" that experiences it.

Describe the intention and give examples from experience.

I don't know if I understand the "intention". It could be said that the intention and the decision are the same. To the decision to know the truth, you can add the intention to be happy, to make others happy and, to the best of your ability, alleviate people's suffering. The most “tangible” example is the well-being that I create around me and among the people close to me. It is a new, vigorous well-being that does not go unnoticed.

Describe free will and give examples from experience.

I believe that free will is the possibility of choice and its subsequent effect. The fact that I, years ago, decided to search and investigate my real nature, was it a consequence of free will or was it something that was previously determined? Perhaps it was caused by one or several previous actions of mine carried out with free will that caused me to later decide to investigate my nature. Actually, I do not know. I know that things happen and I believe that the effect caused by a cause exists and that it is a universal law.

Describe the choice and give examples from experience.

This question has its answer in the previous one. However, I would add that one chooses to do good or to do evil, and that this choice will have its consequences, which one does not choose. It is a difficult subject for me and I am not very clear about it. Are there options to choose from? And if there are options, is it determined that one chooses one or the other and then those "options" stop being options? I still do not know. However, the fact of the unreality of the world and of the fictitious "I" seems to lead to the conclusion that things happen by themselves, without an act of will from any entity.

Describe control and give examples from experience.

Nothing can be controlled because there is nothing to control. When you try to control, you will most likely make things worse.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

I believe that things happen by themselves and that there is no "doer" to do them. Hence the permanent unpredictability of the world and the futility of trying to control it. I don't know how it works or if there is a "how", I just know that things just happen. No matter what one does, the possibility of being able to manipulate and intervene in reality is an illusion of the "I" that sees results that it believes to be caused by it, when, in reality, those results happen because they had to happen. Nothing more.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

I am responsible for creating a fictitious and separate "me" and thereby causing more confusion and suffering in the world. I am also responsible for having contributed to the construction of a fictitious "I" in my children and, with it, having caused their confusion and pain in the world. I am responsible for my effort and will to demolish this "I" and try, as far as possible, that things happen as they should happen without any attempt to control them. There is nothing like letting everything flow and that existence be by itself.

Nothing more to add.
Thank you very much with all my heart.
Paco.

[Anastacia42]

Buenos dias, Paco,

Mayormente correcta pero algunas preguntas.

Describe the decision and give examples from experience.
The decision was and is a permanent desire to know the truth of the world and my real nature.

Describa la decisión y dé ejemplos de la experiencia.
La decisión fue y es un deseo permanente de conocer la verdad del mundo y mi verdadera naturaleza.

¿Quién está ahí para tomar una decisión?

¿Recuerdas el volteo de palmas? ¿Quién tomó la decisión de girar la palma?

No sé si entiendo la "intención". Se podría decir que la intención y la decisión son la misma. A la decisión de conocer la verdad, puedes añadir la intención de ser feliz, de hacer felices a los demás y, en la medida de tus posibilidades, aliviar el sufrimiento de las personas. El ejemplo más “tangible” es el bienestar que creo a mi alrededor y entre las personas cercanas a mí. Es un bienestar nuevo, vigoroso, que no pasa desapercibido.

Una vez más, ¿quién está ahí para tener alguna intención? ¿Y cómo estas Intenciones de alguien que no existe pueden tener algún efecto en otros que no existen?

Creo que el libre albedrío es la posibilidad de elección y su posterior efecto. El hecho de que yo, hace años, decidiera buscar e investigar mi verdadera naturaleza, ¿fue consecuencia del libre albedrío o fue algo que estaba previamente determinado? Tal vez fue causado por una o varias acciones mías anteriores realizadas con libre albedrío que hicieron que luego me decidiera a investigar mi naturaleza. En realidad, no lo se. Sé que las cosas pasan y creo que el efecto causado por una causa existe y que es una ley universal.

Comenzando con Creo que nos dice que hiciste el set. Es solo el contenido del pensamiento, una historia como todo lo demás, ¿dónde encuentras esto en la experiencia directa?

Sin embargo, el hecho de la irrealidad del mundo y del "yo" ficticio parece llevar a la conclusión de que las cosas suceden por sí mismas, sin un acto de voluntad de ninguna entidad.

Aquí finalmente empiezas a decir algo que es verdad. No sabemos nada de estas cosas. No tenemos idea. Y no decidimos ni pretendemos ni tenemos libre albedrío.

Tienes razón acerca de no tener control y no ser capaz de hacer que suceda nada.

Soy responsable de crear un "yo" ficticio y separado y, por lo tanto, causar más confusión y sufrimiento en el mundo. También soy responsable de haber contribuido a la construcción de un yo ficticio en mis hijos y, con ello, de haber provocado su confusión y dolor en el mundo. Soy responsable de mi esfuerzo y voluntad por derribar este yo y tratar, en la medida de lo posible, de que las cosas sucedan como deben suceder sin ningún intento de controlarlas. No hay nada como dejar que todo fluya y que la existencia sea por sí misma.

¿Ah, de verdad? ¿Y de dónde sacaste todo este poder? ¿Cómo creaste este yo? ¿Cuál fue el proceso? En serio, no hiciste ninguna de estas cosas. No tienes ningún control o poder sobre estos.

¿Puedes ver esto?

De nuevo, cierra pero no pareces ver que todas las decisiones, intenciones, control y libre albedrío de decisión son simplemente una ilusión, otra historia, y no tenemos control.

Puedo darte más ejercicios para esto, pero tal vez puedas verlo ahora.

Cariñosa,