I'm not separate

[Luchana]

Hi,

But HOW do you know that the brain is responsible for the looking?

A- information get by eye balls are transmitted to brain via optic nerve,where information is processed and the white light is projected as various colours and textures.but this is all mechanical process,there is no me behind it.

So, look around - whole this is seen because of the brain? The brain can see?
And there is all these + brain which is separate from what is seen?
Duality = everything + brain?
What if brain cannot see?

Is there separation ?

Much love
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Hello mam
Let me clarify my understanding about brain and it's function.
Neuroscience - medical sciences has deeply studied and understand functions of brain.
Brain is like CPU (central processing unit) of body.
Every function of body is maintained by brain - seeing,eating, sensations, thoughts, feelings, movements of body etc,if brain don't servivev more than 5-6 minutes person is considered dead,body's total control is by brain.
But it functions by chemical and biological stimulation, reactions and responses.so there is no one inside it who controls or guide.brain functions are also spontaneous happening.
Now in direct experience brain is not seen or felt.the knowledge of brain may be a problem and creating duality.
So i think it's better to forget about functions of brain.

[Luchana]

Hi,

But it functions by chemical and biological stimulation, reactions and responses.so there is no one inside it who controls or guide.brain functions are also spontaneous happening.
Now in direct experience brain is not seen or felt.the knowledge of brain may be a problem and creating duality.
So i think it's better to forget about functions of brain

Yes, exactly. There is no possibility to really observe brain and now brain operates. These are just thoughts and knowledge.


Notice - is there someting separate, independent anywhere in any shape or phorm?

Is there something REALLY beside a thought about something?

Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Hello mam
Good day
Q-Notice - is there someting separate, independent anywhere in any shape or phorm?
A- there are so many form and shapes,but bc of concepts and thoughts.otherwise not.the whole world is conceptual.
There are thoughts, they are either of future or past, coming spontaneously from some knowledge.thoughts hides reality.
There are two things - be or becoming.
Be is already what is.becoming is psychological process.walking is being,but i m walking is becoming.so i m is not real - but it's psychological - illusary matter.
Q-Is there something REALLY beside a thought about something?
A- i will say world is thoughts - without any thoughts there is nothing - like in Deep sleep.so knowing with thoughts is world full of things - knowing without thoughts is - wordless - bliss.

[Luchana]

Hi,

there are so many form and shapes,but bc of concepts and thoughts.otherwise not.the whole world is conceptual.
There are thoughts, they are either of future or past, coming spontaneously from some knowledge.thoughts hides reality.
There are two things - be or becoming.
Be is already what is.becoming is psychological process.walking is being,but i m walking is becoming.so i m is not real - but it's psychological - illusary matter.

Is there an expectation that all forms and shapes will desolves in one?
Why would they?

A- i will say world is thoughts - without any thoughts there is nothing - like in Deep sleep.so knowing with thoughts is world full of things - knowing without thoughts is - wordless - bliss.

Let's investigate this "nothing" as fully as it's possible.
When you feel ready, calm and brave, sit somewhere and meet the flow, meet what arises.

Stay for a wile with it, investigate - what is this made of, what is the substance, Is it vivid
or rigid?...
Notice Is there an entity or something independent ?

Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Good day
Q-is there an expectation that all forms and shapes will desolves in one?
Why would they?
A- everything is knowing - a concept.
Concepts are relative not absolute,so whatever seen is just what is happening - things are in knowing so everything is just knowingness.waves of knowing ness?
Q--Let's investigate this "nothing" as fully as it's possible.
When you feel ready, calm and brave, sit somewhere and meet the flow, meet what arises.

Stay for a wile with it, investigate - what is this made of, what is the substance, Is it vivid
or rigid?...
Notice Is there an entity or something independent ?
A-therer is knowing - sensations of knowing,perceiving - perceiving happening - ever changing perceptions.
Perceptions bring joy or sadness according to thoughts and ideas.all these happening by some mechanism - mechanism of life.sensations are ever changing like waves so can be said that not solid but vivid.

[Asheshjain]

There are only perceptions/seeing/sensations but still not feeling seeing through illusion, something like "feeling of me-ing remains ".

[Asheshjain]

Sometimes i feel frustrated - that i will not able to see through illusion.
Though it's thought.but what to do.

[Luchana]

Hi,

There are only perceptions/seeing/sensations but still not feeling seeing through illusion, something like "feeling of me-ing remains ".

All right.
Does this feeling (of me) suggest in any way that is it a feeling of "me"?
What is it that brings this informaton here?
Look closely the feeling, examine it with curiosity.
Is it possible for the feeling to know anything?
Does it have a label "me"?

Sometimes i feel frustrated - that i will not able to see through illusion.
Though it's thought.but what to do.

But what if there is already seeing through illusion?


And there are thougths which are jujding the experience?



Wihtout a thougth what's here?
Look.

Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Hello mam
Q-Does this feeling (of me) suggest in any way that is it a feeling of "me"?
What is it that brings this informaton here?
Look closely the feeling, examine it with curiosity.
Is it possible for the feeling to know anything?
Does it have a label "me"?
A- there is feeling of something - ?of beingness? existence.and probably "me" label is added on.
*Yes feeling don't know anything.
* There is no labeling - probably old tendency creates labels.

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Q-But what if there is already seeing through illusions

And there are thougths which are jujding the experience?
A-yes thoughts judging - but thoughts are spontaneous,we can't stop thoughts - so this illusion of me is added now and then.

[Asheshjain]

Hello mam
Q-Does this feeling (of me) suggest in any way that is it a feeling of "me"?
What is it that brings this informaton here?
Look closely the feeling, examine it with curiosity.
Is it possible for the feeling to know anything?
Does it have a label "me"?
A- there is feeling of something - ?of beingness? existence.and probably "me" label is added on.
*Yes feeling don't know anything.
* There is no labeling - probably old tendency creates labels.

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Q-But what if there is already seeing through illusions

And there are thougths which are jujding the experience?
A-yes thoughts judging - but thoughts are spontaneous,we can't stop thoughts - so this illusion of me is added now and then.

[Asheshjain]

There is reality ,but is obscured by thoughts, perticularly(I thought). concepts,ideas, belief, so thoughts are culprit,but thoughts are spontaneous,how to stop so many thoughts?is it possible by some meditation? Or looking and observing thoughts?

[Luchana]

Hi and sorry for dely...

Let's start from the end.

There is reality ,but is obscured by thoughts, perticularly(I thought). concepts,ideas, belief, so thoughts are culprit,but thoughts are spontaneous,how to stop so many thoughts?is it possible by some meditation? Or looking and observing thoughts?

HOW exactly reality/what's happening is obscured by thoughts?


What's the problem with the thoughts?
What can a thought do?
Can a thought think?


Is it possible to produce thoughts?
YES?NO
If no - how is than possible to stop producing thoughts?

Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Hello mam
Q-HOW exactly reality/what's happening is obscured by thoughts?
A-i mean beingness - what is is obscured by thoughts - like when there is clear view of of nice morning - thoughts about some bad event coming and creating sadness,looking to perticular person and thoughts about him(about his past) decision is made about good or bad, instead of simply looking and enjoying - we analyse it in various categories and compare it with previous experience etc.
Q-What's the problem with the thoughts?
What can a thought do?
Can a thought think?
A- thoughts of good and bad,like and dislike distort what is here and now.for example if there is some prejudice regarding some person- i will hate him.etc,though thoughts can't do anything but can change feelings,
Another example - if a pure vegetarian sees non-vegetarian food - there will a feeling of nausea and disliking
Q-Is it possible to produce thoughts?
YES?NO
If no - how is than possible to stop producing thoughts?
A- some thoughts do conditioning,and creating a person and stories and life lived according to that conditioning,this is seen in religious people.
A person - who is conditioned - that he is Christian - an American - a white- a good looking- a reputed one etc etc can't live a normal life
It's not possible to produce or stop thoughts,but one thoughts can provoke another thought.

[Luchana]

Hi,

thoughts of good and bad,like and dislike distort what is here and now.for example if there is some prejudice regarding some person- i will hate him.etc,though thoughts can't do anything but can change feelings,
Another example - if a pure vegetarian sees non-vegetarian food - there will a feeling of nausea and disliking

How thoughts exactly are distoring what's here?
What can a thought do?
What is a thougth made off?
Is thought an indipendent entity with free volition and choice?

It's not possible to produce or stop thoughts,but one thoughts can provoke another thought.

So no one is responsible for producing and stopping thoughts?

Much love,
Luchana