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[morningtea]

Hello Warissem,
good evening,

Are you 100% certain that there is no you, no separate self in any shape or form ?

You are reading these words : is it true ?
If you say ;
YES : describe this "you"
NO : what is reading these words ?

after reading these words : is it true? - there was answer - yes, it was kind of sudden, in itself spontaneous.

so this 'I' what responded - so this thought refers to the memory thought-image 'i did read it' that investigated and looked into for identity shows its just a though, so its kind of like having no proof of the reading it, because its just thought.

and if looked into the 'i' thought - it seems it is also hold kind of a similar visual image of me that it is referring to.
and no identity was found there either.

and when I read the question again, the answer is not so obvious anymore,
its not yes or no,

Are you still seeking ?

:) when I've read it the first two times it was just clear no and laughter, now its more like silence,
its like its not even me seeking, its just subtle seeking, appearing movement, so to speak, but its seen and kind of dissolved.
if i look whos doing it, its like no one,
again the kind of spontaneity of the current direct experience,

best,
morningtea

[warissem]

Hi morning tea

Glad to read your answers. I'll submit your thread to other guides to further questions if any. It will eventually take some time.

Kind regards

Warissem

[morningtea]

bless you friend,

but it definitely has already effect on my moment to moment experience,
more and more direct experience is noticed,
and noticing like normally the "i" would be sad today, like some days was like that where its just like almost down you know defeated, sad, agitated, just want to turn on some movie and 'shut down'
but thanks to these conversations, now its just peaceful, and all that story is just absent,
its just not here,

i still watched a movie and relaxed and like that,
but yeah, so i wanted to thank you as well for the questions and time and effort, what was done so far,

all the best,
morningtea

[warissem]

Hi

You are welcome, you can come in (message or email) whenever it is needed.

Warissem

[warissem]

Good morning

Guides have seen this thread and there was no feedback from them. I want you to convince them that you have seen through the illusion of a separate self with giving answers to these questions in your mother tongue :

Have you seen for sure that there is no you, no separate self which is born and is going to die ?
Is seeking still happening ?
What has changed between the beginning and the end of this dialog.

Elaborate on your answers.

Thank you.

Warissem

[morningtea]

Hello,

sure thank you for the questions,

I was looking at it still, and at one point I was watching a Rupert Spira video by chance. And he mentioned something that became very obvious in that moment, that in the sensations I could not find the self, and still cannot find it.
It is not hiding there, it never was there, it was just a thought a belief system that I its like hiding. So in that moment that was very clear

now looking in this moment to direct experience -

Have you seen for sure that there is no you, no separate self which is born and is going to die ?

To be honest probably not 100 percent sure, for some reason, even though I cannot find it,

now the "i" that I am not sure about, and that I have never found in experience - is there any I - is that true? -
it is like a thin veil of thought belief onto the direct experience. But now that it is mentioned, there is like a sense around it also including it in a feeling. I did not make it, it is spontanious as a thought or as an experience.
then a contraction in the neck appears also spontaneously.

now that I am reading it - the first sentence response to the question ties into the insight before - I cannot find it. lol still seems to be lurking in the experience. that thought veil.

I felt like a movement that mind or the I wanted to be the observer - like a pull from the direct experience.

then I have a thought that I have seen it, years ago in that experience. but now looking at this experience - seeing self and no self as a.. kind of mind made this into a concept. there was stopping. so that kind of inner debate stopped. and relief is here and a kind of fulfilment

So in the direct experience of this moment, there is seeing or awaring, sensing and recognizing as recognizing,
more presence felt, in the moment,
now the question is again is there a self -separate self - that is born and going to die
it is not on the experience, only in thought. and thought is like reflection,
so now its not really yes or no answer.

I hope it makes sense, i am intrigued by the question still like, and wrote kind of the process that i notice in my experience

best,
morningtea

[warissem]

Good morning

You have seen clearly that "I", is a thought and a separate self is only a thought story. My questions reveal doubt about what is seen. Doubt is a thought story : the debate you spoke about happened as thoughts debating with other thoughts. Do you see this ?

There is a "force d'inertie" operating : it means that the belief in a separate self is operating but you have seen that it does not exist. Just catch the belief when it operates and give it light. it is like seeing that Santa Claus is a role playing. Santa continues to operate but you know that it is a fiction (you don't believe that he brings gifts through the chimney).

I hope what is said above will help to clarify.

Anyway, you are welcome to ask questions about this stuff.

Best wishes

Warissem

[morningtea]

Hello,

Doubt is a thought story : the debate you spoke about happened as thoughts debating with other thoughts. Do you see this ?

yeah, as you've said this, and pointed this out, it is clear in my experience now in this moment,

There is a "force d'inertie" operating : it means that the belief in a separate self is operating but you have seen that it does not exist. Just catch the belief when it operates and give it light. it is like seeing that Santa Claus is a role playing. Santa continues to operate but you know that it is a fiction (you don't believe that he brings gifts through the chimney).

yes this is very helpful. and it gets like a sense of validation of the experience of what happened, and also that it is a story. Now it is clear.

Now thought appeared as a kind of story but recognized it just wondered away. My experience feels free and kind of lighter.

hmm, yeah I dont have questions right now

but this cleared it a lot.
best,
morningtea