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[Jstar]

Hi Kento,

No. I am continuing to look - I find the sense of separation in thoughts alone (Eg. as expectations of a subject or a victim). Thoughts alone create this. Whether I am looking or not, there is no separation. Yet it doesnt feel like something special or different feeling - hence my answer 'no'.

Thanks and best regards

[Bananafish]

Hi Jstar. :)

Yet it doesnt feel like something special or different feeling

Are you thinking that it should feel like so?


Warm wishes,

Kento

[Jstar]

Hi Kento :)
Yes, I am noticing expectations - how it should be when there is no feeling of a separate sense. I notice I look at thoughts for an answer.

[Bananafish]

Hi Jstar. :)

Thanks! Ok, please notice when those expectations happen ... just notice.
Now, let's look again at the actual feeling of separation; how does it feel now?

And please note that you don't have to "look" to answer it (as I noticed a lot of people
say "there is none when I look, but ...")

Warm wishes,

Kento

[Jstar]

hi Kento

I took more time to look at this before I respond.

please notice when those expectations happen ... just notice.

Yes, I am noticing them as thoughts describing stuff I heard/read about.

Now, let's look again at the actual feeling of separation; how does it feel now?

There is nothing specific that can be explained or need to be highlighted. There is neither a feeling of separation nor a feeling of 'oneness'. What I notice is only thought contents that point to separation, which are seen as thoughts. So there is no separation whether I look or not.

Thanks and best wishes,

[Jstar]

Hello Kento :)
I replied.

Thanks and best regards,

[Bananafish]

Hi Jstar. :) Really sorry for my late reply.

Is there still a sort of feeling that there is something separate from
the rest of the world, being a subject that is experiencing things?

If so, how is it felt?

Warmly,

Kento

[Jstar]

Hi Kento :)

Is there still a sort of feeling that there is something separate from
the rest of the world, being a subject that is experiencing things?

I have difficulty in feeling vs thinking. I cant find such feeling of there being a separate subject.

If so, how is it felt?

Yet thoughts argue loud that I am a separate person defending myself against threats from others/world, living as/in a body.
Examples:
-feels like one responsible for right and wrong, choose right and do them.
-feels like a me who supports the good me and afraid of the bad me
-one who mediates between thought and action
-one who is under attack/threatened and one who is trying to protect/defend
-one who is seeking relief from this misery

Thanks and best regards

[Bananafish]

Hi Jstar. :)

Yet thoughts argue loud that I am a separate person defending myself against threats from others/world, living as/in a body.
Examples:
-feels like one responsible for right and wrong, choose right and do them.
-feels like a me who supports the good me and afraid of the bad me
-one who mediates between thought and action
-one who is under attack/threatened and one who is trying to protect/defend
-one who is seeking relief from this misery

Ok, and are those thoughts a problem for you?
Or do you believe that such thoughts should cease to be after something called "realization"?

Warm wishes,

Kento

[Jstar]

Hi Kento

Ok, and are those thoughts a problem for you?

Yes. I refer to them to know. I try to argue with them, defend them or straighten them.

Or do you believe that such thoughts should cease to be after something called "realization"?

Yes. I believe that thoughts will align to the realisation.

[Bananafish]

Hi Jstar. :)

I believe that thoughts will align to the realisation.

If that's the case, wouldn't that "realization" a part of belief, one of those thoughts?


Warm wishes,

Kento

[Jstar]

Hi Kento :)

If that's the case, wouldn't that "realization" a part of belief, one of those thoughts?

Yes, it would just be a belief. I have been looking at this in my experience and I see how I have been referring to thoughts (expectations of life to be in a certain way) to verify realisation. Now I see that realisation is always here in experience, whether thoughts agree or not.

Thanks and best regards

[Bananafish]

Hi Jstar. :)

Now I see that realisation is always here in experience, whether thoughts agree or not.

Ok, let's be careful not to make this into another belief.
Could you check whether you are feeling that feeling of "separation" between you
that's supposed to be here and the world that's supposed to be out there?


Warm wishes,

Kento

[Jstar]

Hi Kento:)

Could you check whether you are feeling that feeling of "separation" between you
that's supposed to be here and the world that's supposed to be out there?

No. I do not feel such a separation.

[Bananafish]

Hi Jstar. :) Sorry for the late reply.

Is there anything unclear that you want to further investigate?

Warmly,

Kento