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TeeKa112
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Re: Liberation

Postby TeeKa112 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:23 pm

Hey Eli,

couldn't get out for a walk yesterday because of a big snowstorm, but I was outside for a bit shoveling and looking out of my window at the tress/sky/snow etc.

Wow!! Sounds really cool :-)

Eli is given, perfect how he is.

Yes, perfect.


Could he be any different?



The looking is going well, there is relaxation and moments of 'its so obvious' and some laughter.

Smiling here :-)

Having you to talk to is the only thing keeping me going, doing this alone would be impossible so thank you.

Yes, isn’t it amazing, with nobody doing anything



So let me ask you:

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

What is seen now?



Take time, take it easy, relax into this new seeing

Lots of love


Trisha
It is all so simple, but the very simplicity of it all is so staggering to you.

U.G. Krishnamurti

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Re: Liberation

Postby Eli24 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:05 am

Hi Trisha,




Could he be any different?





No of course not, he is whole and complete




Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?







Absolutely not, it was seen that there is no self at all and its actually kind of funny. There was a lot of laughter and even reading your question was funny because its so obvious there is no self. I was going to tell you the seeking is gone, which I could say there is no seeking because there never was. I'm okay with how things are, the thought of a self is not believed anymore. Is this entering the gate? I have to be 100% honest with you Trisha, the absolute aliveness of everything that people describe is just not seen. I want the full truth, the self is seen through, but the aliveness is not revealed. Will that come when the realization deepens? Or I have I not fully seen through the illusion of a separate self. All I want is truth, that's all.




What is seen now?


What is seen is just life, the "me" is just a thought that arises. There is no seeker or anyone here, and there never was. Doubt still arises, but I'm sure it will stop arising after a while. Nothing has changed, but now I am okay with whatever arises. There is nothing to chase or to get in this life, its simply just happening by itself. The mind is still trying to come in and say that there's seeking energy left, but a quick check and its clear that's a lie. Thank you for your guidance because before I thought I was going to have to wait, but the seeing can happen when the self is actually looked for. Its soooooooo simple I am at a lose for words.




Much Love, Eli.

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Re: Liberation

Postby TeeKa112 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:43 pm

Hi Eli,


it was seen that there is no self at all and its actually kind of funny. There was a lot of laughter and even reading your question was funny because its so obvious there is no self.
I'm okay with how things are, the thought of a self is not believed anymore.
What is seen is just life, the "me" is just a thought that arises. There is no seeker or anyone here, and there never was.

This sounds very good, Eli :-)

The way you are putting things point to SEEING, that there is no separate self and never was.

SEEING through this illusion is a beginning. Not an end or goal by itself.
After SEEING, changes might happening, sometimes bigger, or smaller.
Life is kind of aligning to what is SEEN now.

SEEING through the illusion is not a state, it is a shift in ‘perceiving’ or ’noticing’.

You get now direct/actual experiences of how life IS, without the layers of thought-content and stories that were hiding the here/now so far. You can get a true, clear and clean sense of what is happening, of life lif-ing itself, as a tree, as Eli.

Once SEEING is happening, life is seen in its originality, brilliance and simplicity.


Is this entering the gate?
Actually there is no gate :-) There never was a gate. That’s why it’s called ’The Gateless Gate'
That’s part of the joke.

Can you SEE this?




You are mentioning ‘doubt’. I wonder if these doubts are actually expectations in disguise:

the absolute aliveness of everything that people describe is just not seen.
the aliveness is not revealed.


Sounds that there are expectations how ‘life’ should look like and should happen: ‘more aliveness’ please.

What I see happening here is a comparing of what Eli is imaging what others label as ‘aliveness’ to what is being seen directly.

So your direct/actual/raw experiences are less ‘alive’ than your imaginations of a second hand 'reality'’?
Or what?


Can you see what I am pointing at? Please give it a good LOOKING.
And let me know.


because before I thought I was going to have to wait, but the seeing can happen when the self is actually looked for.

I am happy that you looked through this thought-content, story, lie.


Its soooooooo simple I am at a lose for words.

YES. That’s good.



Eli, what we do normally at this point:


We have what we call ’the final questions’. If you feel ready I will post them to you and you can look at them and answer them in your own time.

If other things, questions or issues come up, let me know.

I will let the other guides look at your answers. Just to make sure we have covered everything, I didn’t forget anything. Sometimes they have a question about what you answered that needs clarification.

When all is clear, your Thread will turn blue and we welcome you through the Gateless Gate.

I will give you further information along the way.


How does this sound for you?


Please let me know


And again, relax, have fun and laugh

Love to you

Trisha
It is all so simple, but the very simplicity of it all is so staggering to you.

U.G. Krishnamurti

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Re: Liberation

Postby Eli24 » Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:13 am

Hi Trisha,





Can you SEE this?


Yes I see this, when the self was searched for, it was seen it was never there, there was never anything to search for in the first place. There was a never a seeker, there was never anything to actually liberate.


Can you see what I am pointing at? Please give it a good LOOKING.
And let me know.


OK so that was looked at and you're right its expectations for how reality should be. When I looked at this expectation it was seen as a fantasy/story. It doesn't even matter at this point, life is what it is, nothing needs to change.


How does this sound for you?

Sounds great I'm ready for the final questions and I will also let you know if something comes up or if
I want to tell you something. Thank you for pointing me to nothing:) I look forward to our future conversations it was a pleasure speaking with you over these past few weeks.

What I realized was before talking with you I believed there wasn't a self, but I never actually looked for my self. Now it was seen with direct experience that there is no separate entity.





Much Love, Eli.

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Re: Liberation

Postby TeeKa112 » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:55 pm

Hi Eli,

There was a never a seeker, there was never anything to actually liberate.
there was never anything to search for

Yes.



It doesn't even matter at this point, life is what it is, nothing needs to change.

Mmh, that’s subtle.

Did anything ‘matter' before? In Direct Experience? Or only in thoughts?

Could anything change from how it is?



Ah, thoughts are tricky :-)

Good that you see it: Life is what it is.





And here are the final questions:



1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?


2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.


3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.


4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?


5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.


6) Anything to add?




Eli, take your time!


These questions are both, for you to look deeply into the various aspects of the illusion of no self
and then for us, to see where the client is.



Love to you

Trisha
It is all so simple, but the very simplicity of it all is so staggering to you.

U.G. Krishnamurti

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Re: Liberation

Postby Eli24 » Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:06 am

Hi Trisha,




Did anything ‘matter' before? In Direct Experience? Or only in thoughts?


It was only in thoughts that anything mattered, the direct experience has always been what it is.




Could anything change from how it is?



No nothing can change from how it is.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?



There is no separate self and there never was.



2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.


From my own experience the illusion of a separate self is a story/label, it is the content of the mind saying "I am doing this , "I am feeling this", "I am thinking this". It starts when we are very young and conditioned by our parents and society to have a belief that we are the doer and the controller of the character. From this conditioning comes a strong belief in the content of the mind, especially the "I" thought". For example when walking is happening, there is a thought "I am walking" and this story is believed to be the reality. The mechanism/illusion stays In tact because of the believing in the story, when it seen through or stops being believed it seen to have never happened, it was just a dream. No one is believing in the story, it just seems to be what's happening, its a mystery.




3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.


It feels very ordinary because it was seen that there never was a self in the first place, there was never anything to liberate. There is also a relaxation. The difference is that before I started this dialogue there was a belief that there was no self from an intellectual standpoint, but now there is a direct seeing that there is no self. Before I thought that there was something that I was missing, but now its seen that life is perfect how it is and nothing needs to change. Before there was a lot of believing in the mind and its concepts , now its seen that the mind content is just mental chatter in the background of the actual experience. Of course there is still some tension and resistance, but I'm okay with that.


4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?



I had mentioned to Trisha that there is still seeking energy left and she asked me if there was a seeker to be found. I looked for the seeker and there was no seeker found. You could say this made me see there was no seeker and never was. The seeker was just a thought/story that was being believed, the seeing that there was no seeker and nothing behind the story of a seeker was the push.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.


Decision is a thought arising as a decision. For example, deciding whether to eat an apple or an orange, or which show to watch on Netflix. These decisions arise as a thought for no one. Decisions are being made, but no one is making these decisions.


Describe intention & give examples from experience.


Intention is a thought arising as an intention. For example, "I am going to workout 5 times a week to get more fit." the intention is to get more fit, that intention is what is happening, nobody owns the intention or the thought that they are going to workout more.


Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Free-will is the illusion that there is a separate entity controlling a character. For example having free will to go for a walk or not to go for a walk. A thought arises saying that I am going to go for a walk, the thought is a story because getting up and going for a walk is just what happens. The ownership of the walking is illusory and when it is looked at is seen.



Describe choice & give examples from experience.




Choice is a thought that arises as having a choice. For example choosing what song to play arises. Choosing a song happens and then the the thought comes in "I am going to choose this one". Choice is illusory, the thought that I am choosing is a story that the mind plays.


Describe control & give examples from experience.


Control is the illusion that there is a separate entity who can control what actions they take. It is seen that there is no control over how these questions are being answered. There are thoughts arising that seem to be directing what is being said, but the actual experience is just typing happening. The control comes from the story "I am doing this", the 'I' is a concept and no one is doing anything.


What makes things happen? How does it work?



I have no idea what makes things happen.


What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.


I am not responsible for anything, there is no self for their to be any responsibility.




6. Thank you for the pointing, Your caption is so true its so simple that we miss it. This is it!












Much Love, Eli.

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Re: Liberation

Postby TeeKa112 » Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:57 pm

Hi Eli,

I shared your answers with the other guides just to be sure I didn't forget anything and we covered everything.
They might have a question, which I would pass on to you.


I will let you know in some days.



I like what you wrote here:
Of course there is still some tension and resistance, but I'm okay with that.
Yes, this is realistic.

It's kind of an intitlement to only expect pleasent sensations or feelings or thoughts, isn't it?


Until soon.

Love to you

Trisha
It is all so simple, but the very simplicity of it all is so staggering to you.

U.G. Krishnamurti

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Re: Liberation

Postby TeeKa112 » Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:40 am

Hi Eli,

congratulations to the Gateless Gate :-)


Your thread now turned blue.

It will soon be moved to Archives and you will have access to the Unleashed Forum, as well as a FB site for Gatecrashers only.

I will come back to you in some hours with more information.

There are videos on YouTube, especially from Ilona, that might be of interest,



This one is about the time after SEEING happened:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJQcD588g2w



Take it easy, you are in a new place.



Love to you

Trisha
It is all so simple, but the very simplicity of it all is so staggering to you.

U.G. Krishnamurti

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Re: Liberation

Postby TeeKa112 » Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:45 pm

Hi Eli,


all is done from the forum's side.

You will get a PM from Nerina Vaughan, she will do the process to give you access to the LU Facebook Side.


I wish you all the best and it was a great pleasure and privilege to work with you.

If you feel a need to reach out, you can do this via the email button when clicking on my red name.

Take care


Trisha
It is all so simple, but the very simplicity of it all is so staggering to you.

U.G. Krishnamurti

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Re: Liberation

Postby Eli24 » Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:23 pm

Hi Trisha,




Thank you so Much!! I will for sure be reaching out if something comes up.





Take Care



Much Love, Eli.


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