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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:41 pm

Thank you Luchana, what a wonderful meeting ; )

Can it be found anywhere where 'Leona' autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; conditioning etc?
Nope, there is just emptiness/openness experiencing life unfold. Things play out and will continue to apparently play out in this life, as they always have, but it will all happen without a 'Leona' intervening, though from all outward appearances it would seem as though the 'I' still exists and is functioning in its 'usual' way.

Can anything be found for which 'Leona' is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?
'Leona' the personality may continue to function in life as it/she always has; through conditioned response, learned behavour patterns etc. But This here now is totally free of responsibility and conditioning and remains untouched by the external world in all its forms.

Once you've seen that Santa is a fiction and doesn't exist and never was - does this mean that the presents and winter vanished?
No, outward appearances continue, life continues in its usual way. Nothing changes on the outside but the view looking out has radically changed and is seen as impersonal.

Yes, sometimes the winter is too cold, and sometimes the presents are different, but is Santa responsible?
Was it ever been?
A sweet illusion, shattered. What was seen cannot be unseen. The shattering here was quite brutal, everything taken away, 'buffers and crutches' gone, no comforting corner to hide in, nothing to smooth my ride. Except you, Luchana, always there to encourage and guide with joy, an open heart and loads of smiles. Thank you thank you always...


Thank you Luchana for this final looking.
It has become easy to answer these questions now, they are available and flow from here.


Much love dear friend,
Leona xx

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Re: mimi&me

Postby Luchana » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:33 am

Hi Leona,

you did a very good looking!
A sweet illusion, shattered. What was seen cannot be unseen. The shattering here was quite brutal, everything taken away, 'buffers and crutches' gone, no comforting corner to hide in, nothing to smooth my ride. Except you, Luchana, always there to encourage and guide with joy, an open heart and loads of smiles. Thank you thank you always...
Oh, thank you for these words.
The ride is not always tough and it is not always light. And that's the beauty, everything is changing constantly.
For no one :-)

Now let's look something else

Let’s take a look at the idea that there is a someone or somerhing who is focusing attention.


Close your eyes and sit quietly for 10-15 minutes.
Watch what focus does.

Focus on focusing, attention itself.
Is there anything moving attention, or it moves by itself?
Is there a focus-er?

Hold focus on breath - see how it moves to thoughts, sensations, sounds.
Is there something controlling it?
What moves attention?
Is thought in control of attention?


Much love and till tomorrow :)

Luchana
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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:27 pm

Hi Luchana,

Focus on focusing, attention itself.
Is there anything moving attention, or it moves by itself?
Is there a focus-er?
Attention moves by itself. There is no focus-er but there is focusing.

Hold focus on breath - see how it moves to thoughts, sensations, sounds.
Is there something controlling it?
No, nothing is controlling the moving/drifting of focus away from breath to thoughts, sensations, sounds. 'Distractions' (unsolicited movements away from the object of focus) simply happen as & when they do.

What moves attention?
Nothing that is apparent.


Is thought in control of attention?
Thought is not in control as it's just a thought and has no intrinsic ability to accomplish anything.


Love
Leona

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Re: mimi&me

Postby Luchana » Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:15 pm

Hi Leona,

you did an exellent looking.

Today on our meeting we looked at these questions, but I want you to look once more and see without a doubt.

Investigate the followings one-by-one very carefully. Spend several minutes with each question.

Is there a control over ‘sensations’?

Is there a control over ‘sounds’?

Is there a control over ‘visual image/colors’?

Is there a control over ‘smells’?

Is there a control over ‘tastes’?

Is there a control over ‘thoughts’?

Is there a control over anything?



Much love,
Luchana
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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:07 pm

Hi Luchana,

Investigate the followings one-by-one very carefully. Spend several minutes with each question.
Is there a control over ‘sensations’?
No there is not.

Is there a control over ‘sounds’?
None.

Is there a control over ‘visual image/colors’?
No

Is there a control over ‘smells’?
nada


Is there a control over ‘tastes’?
No

Is there a control over ‘thoughts’?
No, zero control.
But thoughts are still being personalised and sometimes believed here.
Eg, if I sit with awareness and a thought arises, another thought will jump in and comment, "Oh, that's a thought that has just appeared!" It's these types of running commentary thoughts that are being personalised as they are closer than general waffle/stories/mind noise, and therefore they seem more 'personal' and sticky, yet I know that they are just thoughts too.
Is there a control over anything?
No, but it's probably not entirely being experienced.There is still attachment to the mind here which is a 'barrier' to the unequivocal belief in no control of anything.


Much love,
Leona

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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:07 pm

Hi Luchana,

Investigate the followings one-by-one very carefully. Spend several minutes with each question.
Is there a control over ‘sensations’?
No there is not.

Is there a control over ‘sounds’?
None.

Is there a control over ‘visual image/colors’?
No

Is there a control over ‘smells’?
nada


Is there a control over ‘tastes’?
No

Is there a control over ‘thoughts’?
No, zero control.
But thoughts are still being personalised and sometimes believed here.
Eg, if I sit with awareness and a thought arises, another thought will jump in and comment, "Oh, that's a thought that has just appeared!" It's these types of running commentary thoughts that are being personalised as they are closer than general waffle/stories/mind noise, and therefore they seem more 'personal' and sticky, yet I know that they are just thoughts too.
Is there a control over anything?
No, but it's probably not entirely being experienced.There is still attachment to the mind here which is a 'barrier' to the unequivocal belief in no control of anything.


Much love,
Leona

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Re: mimi&me

Postby Luchana » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:14 am

Hi Leona,

you did a good looking.
And It's like you do not believe what you have seen. Let's look together.
No, zero control.
But thoughts are still being personalised and sometimes believed here.
Eg, if I sit with awareness and a thought arises, another thought will jump in and comment, "Oh, that's a thought that has just appeared!" It's these types of running commentary thoughts that are being personalised as they are closer than general waffle/stories/mind noise, and therefore they seem more 'personal' and sticky, yet I know that they are just thoughts too.
By who or what are being personalised?
Is there something solid, real?

And is there control over personalisation?
Or it's just happen like everything else?

Is there an expectaion that personalisation will stop?

Is there a control over anything?
No, but it's probably not entirely being experienced.There is still attachment to the mind here which is a 'barrier' to the unequivocal belief in no control of anything.
What's the worst thing which can happen if you let go of the idea that you have control?
Isn't life still going on, like always. There was never been any control, why something change now?


Look
What is the DIRECT experience of "barrier"?
Is this barrier REAL or it is something imagined?


Much love
Luchana
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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:07 pm

Hi Luchana,

Thanks for expanding on this as it is a sticking point.
Eg, if I sit with awareness and a thought arises, another thought will jump in and comment, "Oh, that's a thought that has just appeared!" It's these types of running commentary thoughts that are being personalised as they are closer than general waffle/stories/mind noise, and therefore they seem more 'personal' and sticky, yet I know that they are just thoughts too.
By who or what are being personalised?
Thoughts are being personalised and believed.

Who is personalising these thought?

Hmm, It's seen the thoughts are!!! -of course I'm aware that thoughts in themselves can do nothing.
Thoughts are happening and labeling other thoughts which gives the impression that an 'I' is doing this!
Then a percieved or imagined concept of myself takes these thoughts to be my own and I can't seem to see through this.
And yet... locating an actual thinker is impossible since the thinker is merely a concept. I end up going around in circles, not moving beyond this loop.

Is there something solid, real?
No nothing solid there at all.

And is there control over personalisation?
Apparently not! But I wish to see through it.

Or it's just happen like everything else?
Yes.

Is there an expectaion that personalisation will stop?
There is an expectation that personalisation will fall away when thoroughly seen through, yes. I guess I'm ok for personalisations to continue, as long as there is no indentification and belief in them. Currently there is no space between This and these 'closer' thoughts.

What's the worst thing which can happen if you let go of the idea that you have control?
I LOVE the idea of not having control. Nothing will be different, only the letting go of a concept.
There is also awarenss of no control and it's immensely freeing.

Isn't life still going on, like always. There was never been any control, why something change now?
Yes, life still goes on just the same as it always has. No difference.

There is still attachment to the mind here which is a 'barrier' to the unequivocal belief in no control of anything.
Look
What is the DIRECT experience of "barrier"?
An inability to see beyond this false assumption that the mind is real.

Is this barrier REAL or it is something imagined?
Imagined. Although knowing this doesn't help me to untangle or disassociate from the belief and I feel very stuck here with this problem that doesn't even exist.


Much love,
Leona

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Re: mimi&me

Postby Luchana » Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:50 pm

Hi Leona,

you did a good looking.

And yet... locating an actual thinker is impossible since the thinker is merely a concept. I end up going around in circles, not moving beyond this loop.
Is there something real which can moove or not moove beyond?
Does the idea of a loop make it real?


There is an expectation that personalisation will fall away when thoroughly seen through, yes. I guess I'm ok for personalisations to continue, as long as there is no indentification and belief in them. Currently there is no space between This and these 'closer' thoughts.
But why illusion/personalisation to stop appearing? Just because we've seen through it? To make us feel comfortable maybe :-)
Imagined. Although knowing this doesn't help me to untangle or disassociate from the belief and I feel very stuck here with this problem that doesn't even exist.
Look vigilantly:

Is it possible to see the difference between IMAGINED and REAL?

Now at this very moment.

Does a thougth about barrier/me/Leona/mind/belief real?
Look arround you, what is real? Where are you?What are you?

Who or what can stuck?

And where precisely?

Much love,
Luchana
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https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/

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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:22 pm

Hi Luchana,
apologies for delay.

And yet... locating an actual thinker is impossible since the thinker is merely a concept. I end up going around in circles, not moving beyond this loop.
Is there something real which can moove or not moove beyond?
No, only is a position, Here, from which looping can be observed.

Does the idea of a loop make it real?
No, just thoughts commenting on thoughts.

But why illusion/personalisation to stop appearing? Just because we've seen through it?
Ok, expectations have been duly ammended! Everything continues to unfold just as it always has, until or if it doesn't ; )


Is it possible to see the difference between IMAGINED and REAL?
Thoughts are real, their content is false so yes, it is possible to see the difference between real & imagined.

Now at this very moment.
Does a thougth about barrier/me/Leona/mind/belief real?
No.

Look arround you, what is real? Where are you?What are you?
When really looking, only percieved experience through this body and it's senses can be called 'real'.

Who or what can stuck?
No thing. Experiencing is always flowing...

And where precisely?
Nowhere. Experience is always here, now, in this very moment.

Love,
Leona

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Re: mimi&me

Postby Luchana » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:58 pm

Hi Leona,
Thoughts are real, their content is false so yes, it is possible to see the difference between real & imagined.
Great!
Is there control over content of thoughts?

When really looking, only percieved experience through this body and it's senses can be called 'real'.
By who or what is percieved the experience?
Is there and experiencer?
If yes, where exactly is its location?


Much love,
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:24 pm

Hi Luchana,
Is there control over content of thoughts?
No, no control.
There can at times be imagined control eg. when doing a guided medititation, or following instructions, but this is just the mind following another mind's suggestions so it is contrived and can give the impression that one is in control and directing thoughts.

By who or what is percieved the experience?
No one, experience just happens. I don't understand the mechanism but everything experienced is fully felt though no person is here.

Is there and experiencer?
No, just a continual flow of experiences. And the body is this flow's vehicle to experience through. And flow moves through this vehicle but is not me either... Or perhaps I am the never ending flow?

Thanks.

Love,
Leona

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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:49 pm

I'm seeing and knowing all this but it's not currently coming from an alive, open, freedom.

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Re: mimi&me

Postby Luchana » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:43 pm

Hi Leona,
There can at times be imagined control eg. when doing a guided medititation, or following instructions, but this is just the mind following another mind's suggestions so it is contrived and can give the impression that one is in control and directing thoughts.
yea :-)

And who or what can be impress?
Is there someone at all?

No one, experience just happens. I don't understand the mechanism but everything experienced is fully felt though no person is here.
Is it ok to not know the mechanism?
Is it possible to know even?

No, just a continual flow of experiences. And the body is this flow's vehicle to experience through. And flow moves through this vehicle but is not me either... Or perhaps I am the never ending flow?
How many things are here at experience? Body, flow, you?
Is there a body/you floating in the flow?

What is the experience of "body this flow's vehicle to experience through?
What is the actual experience of a body?
What can be experienced with eyes closed?
Does the body experiences or the body is too experienced?

I'm seeing and knowing all this but it's not currently coming from an alive, open, freedom.
Isn't it everything ALREADY freedom?
Who can see and know this?


Much love,
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
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Re: mimi&me

Postby mimi8me » Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:57 pm

Hi Luchana,

And who or what can be impress?
Is there someone at all?
The mind itself gives the impression that it is in control by creating thoughts that give the superficial impression of control. But again; thoughts upon thoughts upon thoughts. There is no end to it.

Is it ok to not know the mechanism?
Is it possible to know even?
The mechanism is the great mystery of life, it cannot be known or grasped and if it were, well that would be a mere concept created by the mind. Life is an inexpressible enigma.

How many things are here at experience? Body, flow, you?
Is there a body/you floating in the flow?
No. There is a body but it is not 'me' and there is a flow of experiences happening.

What is the experience of "body this flow's vehicle to experience through?
Ok, more accurately put; The flow of experience is percieved through the bodily senses.
What is the actual experience of a body?
Sensory input. Hearing/touch/smell/movement ect.
What can be experienced with eyes closed?
Sensation and nothing more.

Does the body experiences or the body is too experienced?
The body and it's senses are experienced. It has no capacity to interpret sensory imput.


Much love,
Leona


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