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[pop]

Hi Hendrik

Apologies I didn't get notification.

It sounds like you might be finished seeking... Are your still seeking?

Love

Pop

[Hendrik]

Hi Pop,

thank you for your reply. No need for apology, all is good, I trust in our quidance - I am grateful to continue - if you like.

My last posts came from La Palma where I had time to look and inquire, so there was more seeing.

And even though there was a short seeing by chance "ups, there is nobody" after watching an interwiev of Richard Lang (headless.org), the daily psycho-pressure keeps the impression of a person going.

So, yes, embarressment is felt, but I am still in seeking mode.

Love Hendrik

[Ilona]

Hi Hendrik,

Let’s finish this thread :)
Can we start freshly here as some time has passed. Can you describe what words no self mean in your experience, as you see it now.

With love,
Ilona

[Hendrik]

Dear Ilona,

thank you sooo much for finishing the thread with me :-)

(I contacted Pop as well, he did not reply - I hope he is well)


"No self" mean that even though there is a identification and reaction going on, it is seen. It is happening in an empty field/space.

When I orient "backwards" there is openess, that is seen too.

This seeing has no "own" personality. It is a presence. That means "no self" at the moment.

... still there is a kind of clinging to the relative "me" experienced.

With Love

Hendrik

[Hendrik]

... sorry, I ´ve made a mess... plattform did not respond, so I pressed several time ...

With Love
Hendrik

[Ilona]

No worries :) fixed now.
Thank you so much for answering. Sweet to hear about the openness.
What changed for you in everyday normal life to compare before and after the innital,realization? What hasn’t changed?
Feel free to write as much as you want.

With love.

[Hendrik]

Dear Ilona,

well, there is still not totally certainty of a realisation, no "breakthrough-feeling", definitely no fireworks.

There is indeed more openness and awareness that in challenging situations - or even regular ones - the looking for that what is looking is here and thereby opening the field.

Personal appearing sensations are active but they are embedded in a wider growing space.

And especially during the last days this space opens up more.

My "practice" is to become aware that there is someting here and then open to the seeing; that brings a lot of peace.

Thereby there is more happiness and joy.

(by the way, you taking up the thread with me gave me a lot of joy)

In the body field there is more "open" vibrating energy to be felt, more ease. More centered and less spinning around the challenging situation.

Heart is more open.

With Love

Hendrik

[Hendrik]

Dear Ilona,

I will add to the post above shortly.

With Love
Hendrik

[Ilona]

Dear Hendrik,
Thank you for answering with honesty.
You say there is no certainty of realisation, no break through feeling. It can be so subtle that I may be unnoticed. But when you look back at how life used to be, there is clearly a difference.
Is there any doubts about the I as a separate self?
There might be expectations of how this should look like, but putting expectations aside, it is as it is.

Would you say you are ready for the final questions? Or is there anything else you would like to explore?

Love.

[Hendrik]

Dear Ilona,

there was still seeking in action, so I sought. Even though there were (very) short glimpses of that kind, that "in here" is nobody.

The last weeks I took more time for meditation: being aware on being and then opening to that, what sees/feels that.

This brought depth.

Today there was the wish to go through the 7 steps in your book "Liberation Unleashed"; so that took some happy time and again I (?) held the spoon in mind, went to the kitchen and got a visit by the unicorn :-) ...

Then a seeing accurs again, that thoughts are not perceived by senses - so the sensation / thought of an "I" was seen as being a thought more clearly. And thoughts cannot think.

This brought a feeling of freedom... even though still the tendency is there to be "sucked into" the thinking process.

BUT: when I (?) now look, there is much more distance between the looking and the thought process being looked at. So in presence sesing is here...

... and that brings the feeling of freedom :-)

So: being more constant in looking mode will sort things out.

With Love

Hendrik

[Hendrik]

PS:

... there is a fear i could cheat myself....

lLoking at the fear: it is a process and the I thought standing in the beginning is a thought ... beeing seen by ... not another thought but by seeing.

In the heart of hearts I have not doubt ... still the momentum that veils seeing is still active...

Love

Hendrik

[Ilona]

Hi Hendrik.
Excuse my absence. So much is going on on my side, I am sorry, I forgot to reply.
How is it going?

You say there is no doubt. That’s sweet. And yet every moment is a fresh invitation to see what is here. Sometimes it seems like there is a veil. I hear you. And what is this vale made of? How does it look?

Let’s explore this :)

With love.

[Hendrik]

Dear Ilona,

I am inquiring every day, today my body was getting out of the bed in the morning by itself, watching happened.

The sensations that give the impression of them I have no own life.

Till the impressions come very often, so looking has to happen very often during the day.

With love
Hendrik

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[Hendrik]

... the veil is a thought...

With Love, Hendrik

[Ilona]

Yes, the veil is just a thought. The experience of now is not veiled in any way. It is what is it. And seeing can only be fresh in the moment. There is no past realisation, there only seeing what is here now.
Does that make sense?

And is there any doubt? Or is it clear that a separate self is a concept, not actuality?

With love.