Clear Seeing

[Anastacia42]

Good morning, Mal!

There's no rush. Why don't we do a couple more pointers & see how you feel about it?

After final questions, you'll be invited to private Facebook groups. Aftercare for whatever may come up.

Anyway, let's try this one:

Deeper Body Investigation

Here is an even deeper investigation of the body. Please follow each step, don't leave out any. Take your time. Don't move to the next step until the previous one is clearly seen. Repeat the exercise several times.

Stand in front of a bigger mirror.

(1) First, close the eyes and feel the sensations labelled ‘body’.

(2) Then open the eyes and look into the mirror while still paying attention to the sensations. Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror? Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?

(3) While still paying attention to the sensations move one hand and observe the movement from the mirror. Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?

(4) Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror. Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and the image ‘of movement’? Or only thoughts suggest it?

(5) Now, pay attention only to the image in the mirror. Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’? Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all? Or are there only colours and shapes?

(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen. Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?

(7) Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don’t look directly to any body parts).

Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?

(8) Start to walk slowly.

Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?
Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?

(9) Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any location?


Loving,

[Lon]

Hello Stacy
The nine questions that you posted where not in blue and I am assuming the quote system is not required, but I could be wrong. So I have numbered my responses to correspond with the numbers of your questions and hope this works for you. If not let me know.
Q 1&2. A connection was not noticed. Thoughts were there but were recognized as thoughts.

Q 3 There was no connection between the felt sensations and hand movement.

Q 4 Once again there was no apparent connection between looking at the hand directly and sensations. Thought was noticed but did not appear to be the source of movement.

Q 5 Thought and knowledge recognize the familiar image of the body. Apart from colours and shapes there is no body.

Q 6 Apart from thought and knowledge that would conventionally confirm the existence of the lower unseen legs, there is nothing solid to substantiate this claim.

Q 7 There are sensations present such as aches and pains but do not appear to belong to a body. They are appearing as sensations in awareness and are not personal.

Q 8 No body walking. If I am no-thing what is it that moves? No body found but habitual thoughts about a body were present.

Q 9Not sure about this question. Images and sensations occur and are noticed in awareness. What location has to do with this is unclear.

If more work is required on these questions as is likely, then I will attempt to work through them again. However, once completed to your satisfaction, I would now like to move on to the checking questions from other guides with your approval.

Warm Regards Mal

[Anastacia42]

It would all have been blue, and I didn't. I thought it might be hard tob read.

Quotes always makes it easier to read.

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[Anastacia42]

Now I have to bounce back & forth to find out what you're answering.

[Anastacia42]

Your answers are fine & clear.

Yes, now try these;:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.


What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6] Anything to add?


Loving,

[Lon]

Hello Stacy

Was there eIs there a separate entity “self “me “I at all, anywhere, in any way shape or form? ver?

The “I has been revealed as an illusion and was always an illusion.

Explain in detail what the illusion of a separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The origin of a separate self is unclear. It seems that “I thought my way into “me(ness) with the help of parents and social conditioning etc. Now there is an expanded awareness in place of an illusionary self. While this is early days, it will be interesting to directly experience life as it happens rather than through the lens of illusion.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

I was a seeker searching relentlessly and endlessly in a grim quest for clear seeing. In the initial stages of guidance it seemed that not much had changed and I was disheartened. Over time it changed and tension together with beliefs on how it should be faded away. There is an openness now that is new and this is yet to be fully explored and there is wonder too.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

The first headless exercise provided a point of access into clear seeing. Then one day when you didn’t’ post I went back to spend more time on the headless exercise and every thing opened up. My astonishment knows no bounds.

Describe decision and give examples from experience.

There is no decision maker that occupies that position any longer. Decisions will appear to occur unencumbered by a pesky decision maker.

Describe intention and give examples from experience.

Intention seems to be another victim of clear seeing. Who is it that intends? Life happens and is not affected by intentions.

Describe free will and give examples from experience

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A belief in free will seems to be the driving force behind intention, choice , control etc. Without a “me to push this particular barrow, it all falls down. Life will keep on happening and is not shaped or formed by the existence of an illusion called free will.

Describe choice and give examples from experienc

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Choice has been uncovered as just another attractive attribute to shore up a belief in a self. What is happening is just happening and if it coincides with a choice so what!

e.Describe control and give examples from experienc

Control like free will is a biggie. I used to be captain of the good ship “Mal ,but never stopped to consider what a terrible captain or controller I was. A belief in control is another central pillar of the “self. There is no controller.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

This question is to big for me. Things happen and register in awareness. It might be Oneness or the Absolute or possibly a wonderful mystery.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience .

Responsibility remains when the self disappears. I am just a newbie but my responsibilities have continued unabated and may increase as a consequence of the LU experience.

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nything to add.

Yes there is! Thank you Stacy for sticking around while I floundered about. I hope the stuff that you are working through works out. I am deeply grateful.
Warm Regards Mal

[Anastacia42]

Thank you, Mal, all good & lots of clear seeing here.

Yes, it all seems to be one big mystery.

Just one follow up question from me & then I'll share this with other guides to see if this needs any more clarification.

Responsibility remains when the self disappears. I am just a newbie but my responsibilities have continued unabated and may increase as a consequence of the LU experience.

Really? Who is there to be responsible?

Loving,

[Lon]

Hello Stacy

Really? Who is there to be responsible?

This was very disappointing and may be another illustration of the “snakes and ladders” experience of exploring no-self as has occurred previously. (I hope you know about snakes and ladders) It also confirms the value of paying attention which I failed to do. There is no self but there are responsibilities that continue to be responsibilities in the absence of a self.

Warm Regards Mal

[Anastacia42]

Yes. I know about snakes & ladders.

I have posted your replies for other guides to check our work and ask questions or confirm. I will let you know as soon as I can.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Hi,

Another guide asks & I agree this needs clarification:

There is no self but there are responsibilities that continue to be responsibilities in the absence of a self.

Will you please say what those responsibilities are & define "responsibility?"

Who is there to have these responsibilities?

Thank you!

[Lon]

Hello Stacy

Will you please say what those responsibilities are and define responsibilities.

I was considering family, work, paying bills etc. etc. as continuing on in life as it had before the investigation into clear seeing.

Who is there to have these responsibilities

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Using the term responsibility was an error as it is intrinsically linked to a personal self who owned the responsibility as” mine”. When the self was seen as untrue , the concept of personal responsibility was also revealed to be untrue. Family matters, money, bills etc. will be attended to without the involvement of a doer.

Warm Regards Mal

[Anastacia42]

Yes, true.

Thank you,

[Lon]

Hello Stacy

Are you ok?

Mal

[Anastacia42]

Hi Mal

I'm good. After I returned from vacation, someone else left town for a funeral & we've been swamped. Sorry about the delay.

You've answered final questions satisfactorily. You've crossed the Gateless Gate. Welcome.

I see your avatar icon here has changed to a sprout. You should also have a PM at the top right with additional information & an invitation to LU Facebook groups where you can ask questions & virtually meet others who have seen what you have seen.

This is a beginning, not an end.

This is also a honeymoon period. Someday you may feel that you have lost it. You haven't. What has happened is you found another unquestioned lie in your mind, an untrue thought. The solution is to question the untrue thought and find what is true.

I'm Stacy Ann Clark in Colorado on Facebook. You can friend me there if you like.

Thanks for your patience!

Loving,