Hello,
I was invited to visit your site by Pathfinder.
Sometime ago, on a discussion forum, I met a man who informed me that he had lost the sense of self.
After some light conversation it was apparent that I was talking to another who had opened and passed through the gate.
He told me that he and his wife would be traveling through our little town on the Central Coast and ask to meet for coffee.
When I arrived at the coffee shop I saw a middle aged man, his wife and a mixed breed dog.
I sat down and smiled at him.
He smiled at me.
Very little was said.
We both seemed to realize that there was nothing much to talk about when those who are empty come together.
His wife talked about their children, the joys of owning a Goldenoodle and the nice weather.
I had a wonderful time and I imagine that he also enjoyed our time together.
We drank our coffee, laughed and hugged.
I find the thought that there are others standing out there on the edge. open to the idea that there is no self, thrilling.
I get a vertigo (where'dhego) by proxy.
I would love to join the conversation but I have to inform you.........I can offer you nothing.
No Subject
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Re: No Subject
Welcome! You do not need to offer anything, so that's quite alright.
We have a standard set of questions we ask each person that has "passed through the gate". Please answer these as best you can.
1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? How about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.
3) How does it feel to see this? Describe in detail.
4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it?
5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, that made you look? Was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? What exactly happened?
6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?
7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?
We have a standard set of questions we ask each person that has "passed through the gate". Please answer these as best you can.
1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? How about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.
3) How does it feel to see this? Describe in detail.
4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it?
5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, that made you look? Was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? What exactly happened?
6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?
7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?
Re: No Subject
(1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? How about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?)
The sense of I am is as real as the people in the brain's night time dreams.
Both the self and the dream people exist only in scintillating synaptic interface.
The neurons in the frontal cortex objectify the streaming perceptual input and then mistake their own labels for reality.
In effect, they create a conceptual overlay through which the physical world is perceived.
The way the brain experiences the world is not far removed from a lucid dream-state.
There are no separate things and no holder of things.
Separate things exist only as consensus conceptual creations.
There is no such thing as a mountain, a river, or the state of Texas.
(2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.)
The sense of self is a conceptual hologram.
When the brain experiences the world as if it were a composite of separate things, a psychological center materializes at the helm.
How that happens is likely to remain unknown simply because the one being looked for is the one looking.
(laughter here).
The mind in man labels its observations and thereby increases its ability to survive and reproduce.
The ability to communicate complex signals is evolutionarily advantageous to a sentient organism.
Right now my entire family are helping my baby granddaughter how to resonate with our consensus conceptual overlay.
And as soon as that process is complete, her little self will materialize.
It will step onto the podium, wave its little baton at the brain's imaginary orchestra.
She's really quite wonderful, and it is known that she needs a self........but I can't help being a little sad.
Maybe papa will live long enough to show her the gate.
(3) How does it feel to see this? Describe in detail.)
The mind here has searched for as long as it can remember.
As a child, it would find an isolated hill, stare at the sky and wonder what the hell was going on.
Something was wrong.
Something was missing.
I have read a thousand books and traveled everywhere I could searching for someone who know the nature of reality.
Sometimes it felt so close.............I thought I could almost smell the campfires of home......
It dawned that I would probably spend my life cutting the distance in half..............
And then..............
My wife and I were at a trade show in Las Vegas.
I was tired and mistakenly took some of her medicine instead of my lipator.
I went to bed and woke up in an extremely anxious state.
For years I had suffered from panic and assumed that was what was happening.
But this was different.
That night, I had been thinking about the unreality of things but now the mind switched and offered the idea that if things do not exist, what does that say about the holder of things?
The panic increased to an unbearable level and I tried in vain to switch the topic.
I was caught in a fast moving current and disparately tried to swim back to familiar ground.
"You little chicken shit", the mind said, "Your entire life you have waited for this moment and you run like a frightened child".
I stopped swimming.
I have tried to articulate what happened but there simply are no words that apply.
There was a rending, stripping, tearing apart that would be better described by someone like Dante.
I woke up the next morning weeping.
My wife tried to console me.
There was no way to tell her that I was no longer there.
It was known that all those years I had been searching for something that existed only as one of my own ideas.
A sense of sublime emptiness had erased the search.
The self was no longer there.
The eyes looked out into a mysterious edgelessness.
The conceptual overlay is still there but is seen as a mental construct.
It is seen as one of the brain's magnificent tools.
The world has become de-personalized.
Most days and nights here are spent flowing along with the prevailing current......falling softly into what's next.
(6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?)
I got carried away and answered 4 and 5 in 3.
The term "I" is now use to "speak the lingo or local dialect.
(laughing)
Here the I is seen as psychological phantom......a little homunculus that materializes when needed and evaporates when it is not stimulated.
(the brain wants to laugh again)
(7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?)
There doesn't appear to be either.
And by golly.......I just can't find the words to explain that.
I'm sorry........but the brain is tired.
It doesn't want to check its spelling and syntax........
...and it just keeps sending ripples of laughter through the organism.
I think it is telling me it wants to go out and play.
The sense of I am is as real as the people in the brain's night time dreams.
Both the self and the dream people exist only in scintillating synaptic interface.
The neurons in the frontal cortex objectify the streaming perceptual input and then mistake their own labels for reality.
In effect, they create a conceptual overlay through which the physical world is perceived.
The way the brain experiences the world is not far removed from a lucid dream-state.
There are no separate things and no holder of things.
Separate things exist only as consensus conceptual creations.
There is no such thing as a mountain, a river, or the state of Texas.
(2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.)
The sense of self is a conceptual hologram.
When the brain experiences the world as if it were a composite of separate things, a psychological center materializes at the helm.
How that happens is likely to remain unknown simply because the one being looked for is the one looking.
(laughter here).
The mind in man labels its observations and thereby increases its ability to survive and reproduce.
The ability to communicate complex signals is evolutionarily advantageous to a sentient organism.
Right now my entire family are helping my baby granddaughter how to resonate with our consensus conceptual overlay.
And as soon as that process is complete, her little self will materialize.
It will step onto the podium, wave its little baton at the brain's imaginary orchestra.
She's really quite wonderful, and it is known that she needs a self........but I can't help being a little sad.
Maybe papa will live long enough to show her the gate.
(3) How does it feel to see this? Describe in detail.)
The mind here has searched for as long as it can remember.
As a child, it would find an isolated hill, stare at the sky and wonder what the hell was going on.
Something was wrong.
Something was missing.
I have read a thousand books and traveled everywhere I could searching for someone who know the nature of reality.
Sometimes it felt so close.............I thought I could almost smell the campfires of home......
It dawned that I would probably spend my life cutting the distance in half..............
And then..............
My wife and I were at a trade show in Las Vegas.
I was tired and mistakenly took some of her medicine instead of my lipator.
I went to bed and woke up in an extremely anxious state.
For years I had suffered from panic and assumed that was what was happening.
But this was different.
That night, I had been thinking about the unreality of things but now the mind switched and offered the idea that if things do not exist, what does that say about the holder of things?
The panic increased to an unbearable level and I tried in vain to switch the topic.
I was caught in a fast moving current and disparately tried to swim back to familiar ground.
"You little chicken shit", the mind said, "Your entire life you have waited for this moment and you run like a frightened child".
I stopped swimming.
I have tried to articulate what happened but there simply are no words that apply.
There was a rending, stripping, tearing apart that would be better described by someone like Dante.
I woke up the next morning weeping.
My wife tried to console me.
There was no way to tell her that I was no longer there.
It was known that all those years I had been searching for something that existed only as one of my own ideas.
A sense of sublime emptiness had erased the search.
The self was no longer there.
The eyes looked out into a mysterious edgelessness.
The conceptual overlay is still there but is seen as a mental construct.
It is seen as one of the brain's magnificent tools.
The world has become de-personalized.
Most days and nights here are spent flowing along with the prevailing current......falling softly into what's next.
(6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?)
I got carried away and answered 4 and 5 in 3.
The term "I" is now use to "speak the lingo or local dialect.
(laughing)
Here the I is seen as psychological phantom......a little homunculus that materializes when needed and evaporates when it is not stimulated.
(the brain wants to laugh again)
(7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?)
There doesn't appear to be either.
And by golly.......I just can't find the words to explain that.
I'm sorry........but the brain is tired.
It doesn't want to check its spelling and syntax........
...and it just keeps sending ripples of laughter through the organism.
I think it is telling me it wants to go out and play.
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Re: No Subject
It looks like you're in the club my friend ;). I'll be sending you a private message with details on where to go from here. See you in our Unleashed group!
Re: No Subject
It looks like you're in the club my friend ;). I'll be sending you a private message with details on where to go from here. See you in our Unleashed group!
LOL
In mind......the image of a dog at the beach............unleashed.
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Re: No Subject
Yes, names are silly things.
Re: No Subject
Welcome to unleashed :)
really enjoyed reading your posts. Looking forward to meet you on Facebook.
really enjoyed reading your posts. Looking forward to meet you on Facebook.
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Re: No Subject
Why was this belief of 'no I, but a brain does everything' never challenged?The sense of I am is as real as the people in the brain's night time dreams . . .
The way the brain experiences the world is not far removed from a lucid dream-state . . .
When the brain experiences the world as if it were a composite of separate things, a psychological center materializes at the helm . . .
I'm sorry........but the brain is tired . . .
This is attachment is it not?
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