Yes, and a misunderstanding like that is exactly how you can think there is a "self" when there is not.
Please do that whole exercise once more quoting each question separately with your reply underneath, just as before, now that you can see what is Actual Experience of the color red.
Relax with it. The only way to SEE is relaxed.
Loving,
stopbitingmytail
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~ Stacy
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
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Hi, Stacy,
with fresh eyes....
george
and thanx for getting up again!
with fresh eyes....
red colourWhen you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?
the colour red is experiencedIs the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?
label green has no 1-1 correspondence with "reality" - suggests s.th. else "outside of" whats experienced here-now.Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?
"green" is not associated with the red-experience - only a label overlaying the red-experience.Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?
the experience of redness stays uneffected by the labelsIf the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
seeing redness is the experience of "reality" and remains uneffected by the add-ons "good" or "bad".Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?
george
and thanx for getting up again!
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Good morning, George
You're welcome. Good yes, you've gotten the point about labels. Red & green are fairly neutral. We don't care much about that. We do tend to get very caught up in our good/ bad labels, but you kept your perspective and see through the labels. Now try this:
Friend/Stranger
Bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
Then bring up a thought about a character labeled "stranger."
Compare these thoughts.
Is there a difference in these thoughts?
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character?"
Let me know what is found.
Loving,
You're welcome. Good yes, you've gotten the point about labels. Red & green are fairly neutral. We don't care much about that. We do tend to get very caught up in our good/ bad labels, but you kept your perspective and see through the labels. Now try this:
Friend/Stranger
Bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
Then bring up a thought about a character labeled "stranger."
Compare these thoughts.
Is there a difference in these thoughts?
Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”
Is there a difference?
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character?"
Let me know what is found.
Loving,
~ Stacy
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
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"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
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Hi Stacy,
I am going to follow the taks afresh even though you gave me these questions on June 24th.
the different content can be felt as different sensation: friend/relaxation - stranger/ contraction
looking at the content of this thought/label the experience of both is different: label "me" is more attracting, a more intimate feeling....
but as "thought" there is no difference.
george
I am going to follow the taks afresh even though you gave me these questions on June 24th.
a label (friend/stranger) is a thought - as such they are the same: a thought.Is there a difference in these thoughts? (friend/stranger)
as labels there is no difference, butIs there a true difference or is it just different content?
the different content can be felt as different sensation: friend/relaxation - stranger/ contraction
Looking at the labels friend/me there is no difference (as labels)Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."
After that, look at a thought about the character labeled "me.”
Is there a difference?
looking at the content of this thought/label the experience of both is different: label "me" is more attracting, a more intimate feeling....
but as "thought" there is no difference.
george
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Excellent. Good. Nice to be on the same page here.
Let's try this exercise that I have come to call ButtChair.
Can you find any dividing line between your butt and the chair you're sitting on? Look with your inner eye, your sense of touch. What is found? Is there some separate distinct "George" or only thoughts that say there is?
This is the only pointed I did when I was guided here. I looked at it for about 3 months until I saw. Looking is the point, of course, not finding.
Much love,
Let's try this exercise that I have come to call ButtChair.
Can you find any dividing line between your butt and the chair you're sitting on? Look with your inner eye, your sense of touch. What is found? Is there some separate distinct "George" or only thoughts that say there is?
This is the only pointed I did when I was guided here. I looked at it for about 3 months until I saw. Looking is the point, of course, not finding.
Much love,
~ Stacy
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
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Hi Stacy,
Again I lost Yesterday Task twice! And Not retrievable!let me try again: (i am writing Form "on the Road" with Tablet, Not all technical "assessoires" are available)
Can you find any dividing line between your butt and the chair you're sitting on? Look with your inner eye, your sense of touch. What is found? Is there some separate distinct "George" or only thoughts that say there is?
There s No deviding Line, No sense of "end of Butt" , beginning of Chair", only sense of pressure
No demarcation for George, No sense of George, George just a thought.
Yet: "Me-george" is a Very tempting thought to loose clarity.....
George
Again I lost Yesterday Task twice! And Not retrievable!let me try again: (i am writing Form "on the Road" with Tablet, Not all technical "assessoires" are available)
Can you find any dividing line between your butt and the chair you're sitting on? Look with your inner eye, your sense of touch. What is found? Is there some separate distinct "George" or only thoughts that say there is?
There s No deviding Line, No sense of "end of Butt" , beginning of Chair", only sense of pressure
No demarcation for George, No sense of George, George just a thought.
Yet: "Me-george" is a Very tempting thought to loose clarity.....
George
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Good, George.
Yes, it's a good idea to save the text of your post before you post it. I compose a Gmail and paste my reply there for safekeeping before I post.
Loving,
Yes, it's a good idea to save the text of your post before you post it. I compose a Gmail and paste my reply there for safekeeping before I post.
Yes, good.No demarcation for George, No sense of George, George just a thought.
What's so "tempting" about it?"Me-george" is a Very tempting thought to loose clarity.....
Loving,
~ Stacy
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
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"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
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.....i mean falling from seeing Into dreaming, Like stepping into a puddle and being wet...,yes, can see that also being just a thought....
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.....i mean falling from seeing Into dreaming, Like stepping into a puddle and being wet...,yes, can see that also being just a thought....
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.....i mean falling from seeing Into dreaming, Like stepping into a puddle and being wet...,yes, can see that also being just a thought....
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Good morning, George
Okay. Let's look at what is called. "choice." or "control" or "making a decision."
Palm Flipping Exercise
1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.
Watch like a hawk.
Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.
Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:
How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?
Loving,
Okay. Let's look at what is called. "choice." or "control" or "making a decision."
Palm Flipping Exercise
1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.
Watch like a hawk.
Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.
Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:
How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?
Loving,
~ Stacy
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
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Hi Stacy,
Does a thought control it?
The movements are Not Controller by any thought.
Can a Controller of any description Be located? No.
How is the decision Made......,?
When a thought "Made the decision" (f.e. the thought "Turn") with a small time delay the Hand turns.
Left or right Hand? No choosing! Just happens.
After giving Initial Input ("Turn Hand") the movements continue automatic, No seperate individual can Be found to choose the movements.
Greetings from george
After Initial "Order" all movements are automatic, I even can think of unrelated stuff and the movements continue uncontrolled.How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
The movements are Not Controller by any thought.
Can a Controller of any description Be located? No.
How is the decision Made......,?
When a thought "Made the decision" (f.e. the thought "Turn") with a small time delay the Hand turns.
Left or right Hand? No choosing! Just happens.
After giving Initial Input ("Turn Hand") the movements continue automatic, No seperate individual can Be found to choose the movements.
Greetings from george
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Great.
How does it feel to SEE all of this?
By the way, next week I will be on vacation at a beach house in South Carolina with my sister and her family. I will probably still check in here, but I wanted you to know in case I don't check in as much.
Loving,
How does it feel to SEE all of this?
By the way, next week I will be on vacation at a beach house in South Carolina with my sister and her family. I will probably still check in here, but I wanted you to know in case I don't check in as much.
Loving,
~ Stacy
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
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.....freeing, relaxing,more spacious
Have a good Trip and vacation, beach house sounds so great!
Good wishes from george
Have a good Trip and vacation, beach house sounds so great!
Good wishes from george
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Good morning, George,
You've already stated a couple of times that no "George" can be found. You've found it "freeing, relaxing, and spacious." Yes to all of that.
Let me ask:
how does "seeking" seem now?
No George, no chooser or decider. What's left to find? What still seems "separate?" Anything?
Loving,
Yes!freeing, relaxing,more spacious
You've already stated a couple of times that no "George" can be found. You've found it "freeing, relaxing, and spacious." Yes to all of that.
Let me ask:
how does "seeking" seem now?
No George, no chooser or decider. What's left to find? What still seems "separate?" Anything?
Loving,
~ Stacy
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."
~ Adyashanti
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