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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby nonaparry » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:13 pm

Hi Sylvia!
eye see that there is no ownership. one can spend money on other "things" but owns nothing.
Hahaha!! Great to notice, eh??
Eye do not see a “me” at all that ever existed. There is this body which is an expression of life. Eye am an expression of life and the self is all life
Is there a 'me' that you do not see? Is there an "I" at all, seen or unseen, that is not just a thought, a label?
Do you identify with "this body which is an expression of life"? When you point to "I", what do you point to? When you touch "I", what do you touch?
...the ego led me to believe eye was...
Is 'the ego' separate from Life, from Sylvia? Point to this 'ego' that led you to believe something. What are you pointing to?
He still tried to rationalize it all away, however the seed was planted and now his curiosity is arising.
Interesting!

Please answer
6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?
Willing that the remainder of your weekend goes as you so desire.
What, if anything, is "willing"? Is there a Will-er? Have you any control over what I or anyone, including you, experiences? Describe in detail, please!

Let's get crystal clear here!
Much love,
Nona
"When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains—however improbable—must be the truth." ~ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby Consciousness » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:43 am

Hello Nona! (:
Is there a 'me' that you do not see? Is there an "I" at all, seen or unseen, that is not just a thought, a label?
When you point to "I", what do you point to? When you touch "I", what do you touch?
No, there is no ‘me’ that eye do not see, nor an “I” that eye do not see that is not just a thought/label. Eye don’t point to anything. there is no “I” to point to/touch.
Do you identify with "this body which is an expression of life"?
eye cannot see this right now, to reply.


Is 'the ego' separate from Life, from Sylvia? Point to this 'ego' that led you to believe something. What are you pointing to?
No, the ego is not separate from Life or Sylvia. Eye cannot point to the ego.

When you say "I", what are you referring to?
When eye say “I”, eye am referring to the label of Sylvia or Ego
What, if anything, is "willing"? Is there a Will-er? Have you any control over what I or anyone, including you, experiences? Describe in detail, please!
Eye see that there is no will-er and that eye have no control over anyone or their experiences, including my experiences. Therefore, nothing to describe. Just a word that was often spoken without full comprehension of the depths of it, till eye just “looked”.

Enjoy your day. Just heading off to bed here :) Much love.

Namaste
Sylvia
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby nonaparry » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:18 am

Hi Sylvia,

Early on you said you
feel too much sorrow for the world and take things personal as far as what's going on currently, in the world.
Has this changed at all? If so, please describe it in detail.
Do you identify with "this body which is an expression of life"?
eye cannot see this right now, to reply.
Take your time.
Just a word that was often spoken without full comprehension of the depths of it, till eye just “looked”.
Good noticing! thanks!

'Til tomorrow.
love
Nona
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby Consciousness » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:26 am

Hello Nora and thank you for replying.
feel too much sorrow for the world and take things personal as far as what's going on currently, in the world.

Has this changed at all? If so, please describe it in detail.
This has improved and still is improving. Yes, eye am able to see that these things are not personal and are just *life* “happening” and that eye have no control.

Do you identify with "this body which is an expression of life"?..
eye still cannot see this or misinterpreting the question

Good noticing! thanks!
You’re welcome and thanks too Nora! Have a great week and talk to you tomorrow. Much love.

Namaste
Sylvia
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby nonaparry » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:19 am

Hi Sylvia!

A glorious day here; hope yours is too.
Do you identify with "this body which is an expression of life"?..
eye still cannot see this or misinterpreting the question
Oh, sorry!
You said earlier
There is this body which is an expression of life. Eye am an expression of life and the self is all life
"I am" is an indication of identification, so I wanted to check with you whether you believe you are "this body which is an expression of life". Just trying to be crystal clear before I ask other guides to look at your answers. :-)

love
Nona
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby Consciousness » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:50 pm

Hi there Nona (: At work now, so just going to answer from here since there's just one question.
You said earlier
There is this body which is an expression of life. Eye am an expression of life and the self is all life
[quote
"I am" is an indication of identification, so I wanted to check with you whether you believe you are "this body which is an expression of life". Just trying to be crystal clear before I ask other guides to look at your answers. :-)
ah, okay! :) Now the question registers clearly :) No eye do not identify with or believe "I am" this body nor that this body is "me". eye will check later at home if there's more waiting for me!

Much Love, Nona
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby nonaparry » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:36 am

Hi Sylvia!

Can you say you have seen beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no 'you' in reality? That 'you' is a thought, a label only?
If there is even a slight doubt let's address it.

love
Nona
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby Consciousness » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:28 am

Hello Nona!
Can you say you have seen beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no 'you' in reality? That 'you' is a thought, a label only?
If there is even a slight doubt let's address it.

Yes, eye see beyond a shadow of a doubt that there’s no “me” in reality, never has been nor ever will be - and that “I” is just a thought/label/imaginary

Now and then resistance arises - but it only takes looking again. Yet, there is no slight doubt arising at all.
Seeing life just happening, and doing is much more pleasant!

Good day and much love to you Nona. Until tomorrow! (:

Love
Sylvia
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby nonaparry » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:36 am

Hello Sylvia!

As there is no doubt, I offer you the following questions again. I know you've answered them before, and ask you to answer again from your current awareness. Take your time, and answer in detail from your direct experience, please.

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?

6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?

7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?

looking forward to your reply,
love
Nona
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby Consciousness » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:21 am

Hi Nona! How are things? :)
Sorry for not elaborating as much as could have been. Thoughts were arising that perhaps this one was writing too much earlier :p Here it goes in as much detail as eye can “see”.
1)Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?
There is not a “me” anywhere at all in any shape, form or fashion. There is just awareness, thoughts, the mind, the senses, that which can see but can not be seen, nor touched, experiencing life through this body’s 5 senses and “others” bodies, as well through other “things”. There is no-thing, no others, that are separate from everything else. All is life infinitely experiencing itself, ever flowing – without depth!
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.
The illusion of separate self is the “I” – “me” - the mind believing that the body is “I” – “Me”, existing outside of the whole of all that is “life”. From experience, eye see that “I”, an imaginary character, was given a name to be identified by, which equals a label, which leads to belief of separation. Throughout life, in school, Sylvia and others were separated in lines by height, had sexual genders separated by colors of pink & blue. In many years to follow, Sylvia has been asked to circle or put a checkmark in a box for (Gender, race, religion, salary, marital status, Title (Ms./Mrs.) etc on certain forms and applications– further causing the mind to believe in more separation/uniqueness.
3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.
Still in awe of it all and seeing what eye see . At times it is still perceived as a bit creepy when thoughts arise that there is no me and that “I” is just a thought as well - and looking at others as the thoughts that “they are” (and many unaware of it) … the mind is just blown! But it is a *slow unfolding* every day, as more is revealed by what is experienced, such as attitudes from others don’t cause feelings of stress to arise as much as before beginning this journey.
4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.
It is my desire for all who eye know of, to hear about this and go through it. The (now two) “others” that eye attempted to describe this to, are at a total loss based on my description lol - sooo eye will, from now on, just describe it to them by saying “a wonderful new way of looking at life has truly opened the eyes to something so spectacular and moving, that eye cannot do it justice trying to explain it”. Then eye would give them the link to LU and tell them to just dive in. Eye don’t see that guiding is a strong point for this one yet lol :p perhaps driving them bananas with the tongue-twister rollercoaster eye put them on ;)
5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?
Each time it seems like the last bit, there’s a new bit (: It’s still gradual with me. The U.N. Summit Is going on near my job this week and while out to lunch, yesterday, feelings of irritation began arising from all the police sirens and diplomat cars speeding, traffic horns loudly honking, loud music being played on someone’s car stereo that was sat in gridlock, the lunch crowd of people around this one, chattering, laughing, talking on cell phones (crowds and especially loud noise) cause horrible feelings of annoyance to arise, BIG time! Eye always try to shut it or get away quickly as possible. This time the ears just listened as the sounds blended into one another, not taking turns, yet were still discernible and as others walked toward or away from “me”, at their various paces, and this body, with a slow, roaming walk, it all began to be as if eye was stood in the middle of a dance of life, just doing, happening, making noise, and “life” enjoying and not enjoying it. eye was apart of all of it, yet “I” was nowhere to be seen. It was quite a 180 of sitting in the backyard and listening to nature and the birds!
6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?
When eye say “I”, eye refer to the label Sylvia, the imaginary, never-ending-story that the mind /ego believes to be real
7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?
There is just life, “experiencing”

Thanks Nona and best wishes for a great day! Love you.

Sylvia <3
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby nonaparry » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:22 am

Thank you, Sylvia. I've asked other guides to have a look and ask any questions they have.

love
Nona
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Re: Greetings - New Here :)

Postby nonaparry » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:32 pm

Dear Sylvia,

I would like to invite you to our aftercare groups for those who have seen through the illusion of self, Beyond the Gate and Unleashed on facebook. Please 'friend' me, Nona Parry (Yesya) and I will add you. There are other Liberation Unleashed groups available to you, as well.

I look forward to seeing you in facebook.

love
Nona
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