Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

What is the difference between the moment you opened this thread and now?

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

What is the difference between the moment you opened this thread and now?

None. Interesting to see this.

Best,

josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

Please elaborate your answers. Write more about what was the condition before you came in this forum and after seeing that there is no you in any shape or form.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

\Please elaborate your answers. Write more about what was the condition before you came in this forum and after seeing that there is no you in any shape or form.

Before I came to the forum, there was a strong sense of “me” the individual—the doer, the decider. Now there is existence and awareness, but without “me,” “myself,” and “I” screaming for attention. Instead, there is stillness and acceptance, which can be accessed beyond the “me” because there is, in fact, no “me.”

Best,

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

Is there any doubt about the seeing of no separate self. If it is the case, let me know about it.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

Is there any doubt about the seeing of no separate self. If it is the case, let me know about it.

There is only doubt when not looking closely. This insight is yet to be fully integrated into ordinary life.

Thank you again for all your help.

Best,

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

here are the final questions. Read them carefully and let them sink before giving answers.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?


Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

Thank you for the final questions. This will take a bit more time to respond properly.

Best,

josh

[warissem]

take your time to look.

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No. There is simply awareness. That is all that’s ever been.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of separate self arises from sensation in the body to which more than merely “sensation” is attributed, which causes a focus on “me” rather than just “sensation.” Or when thoughts become distractions and take on their own narrative.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It is liberating to step away from the illusion of a separate self. This was clear even from the beginning of the dialogue, but the demarcation is now clearer. Over the past few days, there has been more sinking in to this understanding, which brings greater lightness-of-being and acceptance of what is going on.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

Recognizing that I exist without the body and am not my thoughts pushed me over; that the self is nowhere to be found,

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Things happen. There is awareness and thoughts arising in the awareness. Decisions, intentions, etc. are part of the illusion of a separate self, the illusion of free will.... A memory or a sensation provoke action, or provoke a cascade of thoughts and reactions.

6) Anything to add?

Thank you so much for the help! This has helped foster much greater understanding.

Best,

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

I consult my fellow guides to read your thread. There could be questions from them. This process of confirmation will take few days.

Best wishes

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Josh

My fellow guides want some details about the question number 5 :

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

There is a need to elaborate on decision, intention, free will, choice and control. Give examples from experience for each of them.

Then elaborate on What are you responsible for ?

Best wishes

Warissem

[Jcharap]

Dear Warissem,

There is a need to elaborate on decision, intention, free will, choice and control. Give examples from experience for each of them.

There is no “me” to decide, chose, or control. So there is no decision, intention, free will.... “I” didn’t decide to make the coffee, I’m drinking—the coffee-making happened spontaneously, the same way it has always happened. “I” didn’t chose to write this text—it happened without a “me.”

Then elaborate on What are you responsible for ?

If there’s no “me,” then how can “I” be responsible for anything?

Many thanks again.

Best,

Josh

[warissem]

Hi Josh

I have submitted again your answers to other guides for confirmation or further questions.

Your way of writing responses is understood as deductions like "there is no me, then there is no control, no this, no that, ..."
Can you say something about that ?

Best wishes

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Josh

There are other questions from other guides :

"No. There is simply awareness. That is all that’s ever been"

Are you saying that there is no person/I that is aware, but rather there is an awareness that is aware of what is happening?
If not, what do you mean exactly by your above comment?

"Or when thoughts become distractions and take on their own narrative"

How does a thought take on its own narrative?
What can a thought do?

"It is liberating to step away from the illusion of a separate self"

What is it exactly that steps away from the illusion of a separate self?

"Over the past few days, there has been more sinking in to this understanding"

What is it exactly that sinks into this understanding?
Is there something separate from this understanding, so it can sink into it?

"Recognizing that I exist without the body and am not my thoughts pushed me over; that the self is nowhere to be found"

What is this I exactly that exists without the body?
What is this I exactly that is not its thoughts?

"There is awareness and thoughts arising in the awareness."

Is there awareness + thoughts that arise in awareness?
Where does a thought end and its awareness starts?
Is there an awareness which is something special, apart from the five senses?
Is awareness something independent of and prior to sense perception?

"Decisions, intentions, etc. are part of the illusion of a separate self, the illusion of free will...."

Please give examples ONE-BY-ONE to each (how they work in everyday life):
Decision
Intention
Free will
Responsibility

Best wishes

Warissem