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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby LoveMandala » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:04 am

Hi Stafford,
Wonderful Work Will & Yes i Totally Go back & forth Personal /Non personal !!! ¿¿¿ This IS Always Seen, Knowing Not Knowing, Mystery/Mystory ?!? /!?! Daulality still appears, Nothing Changes, (Before Enlightenment Fetch Water build Fire, after enlightenment fetch water build fire) however Never can Be
a my life & Never Truly Known Conceptualy Just Seen. !!! /???
My Friend You're Right in The Event Horizon, The Gate less Gate !!! Where All Phenomenon Appears in & out of, where You appear as a Person trying too control & hold Things Together ?!? However there's no way too do & not do Anything !?! Try this out go through out the Day/Night & Claim & Control Every Little & Big Thing in so called Your Life !!!/??? Do You find that there's a self & no self ??? What is Seen for You & can This make Any Kind of Sense Conceptually ??? /!!!
My Friend after Seeing This for M.E. (Mystical Entity) my personality gotten a little bigger & other habits just stopped,Nothing Changed because No One Home in The First Place & everything Seen Through because, can't UN See Being Happening without Any Help from a me !!!
I found your words comforting and clarifying. It is so good to to be able to relax about the seeming in and out, non-personal/personal, not knowing/knowing, mystery/mystory (I like that!). We are continuously faced with challenges that pull us back into personalisation, and into an identification with the surface and the apparent separateness. I guess all we can do is keep recognising the universal, transpersonal context, the deep, and the connectedness - recognising that that does not ever go away and cannot go away.

All that cannot go away, because it is inherent in Consciousness. The 'I' which is looking, and engaging with the challenges of 'being a person' is always, it would seem, also the infinite space of Consciousness in which the whole physical universe is held. The bodily sense of 'being a person' is only there because of the non-personal field of Consciousness in which we rest. When we recognise and open inwardly to that infinite reality, the responses within this localised experience of embodied Consciousness that we experience, are informed by it. I notice a trust, and ease, and compassion, and kindness, that is effortlessly present and wants to express itself in my relationships and in my life.

There is more, but I have to go, so I will say goodbye for now. Sending much love and gratitude.

Much love,

Will
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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby StaffordJR » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:25 am


Hi Stafford,
Wonderful Work Will & Yes i Totally Go back & forth Personal /Non personal !!! ¿¿¿ This IS Always Seen, Knowing Not Knowing, Mystery/Mystory ?!? /!?! Daulality still appears, Nothing Changes, (Before Enlightenment Fetch Water build Fire, after enlightenment fetch water build fire) however Never can Be
a my life & Never Truly Known Conceptualy Just Seen. !!! /???
My Friend You're Right in The Event Horizon, The Gate less Gate !!! Where All Phenomenon Appears in & out of, where You appear as a Person trying too control & hold Things Together ?!? However there's no way too do & not do Anything !?! Try this out go through out the Day/Night & Claim & Control Every Little & Big Thing in so called Your Life !!!/??? Do You find that there's a self & no self ??? What is Seen for You & can This make Any Kind of Sense Conceptually ??? /!!!
My Friend after Seeing This for M.E. (Mystical Entity) my personality gotten a little bigger & other habits just stopped,Nothing Changed because No One Home in The First Place & everything Seen Through because, can't UN See Being Happening without Any Help from a me !!!
I found your words comforting and clarifying. It is so good to to be able to relax about the seeming in and out, non-personal/personal, not knowing/knowing, mystery/mystory (I like that!). We are continuously faced with challenges that pull us back into personalisation, and into an identification with the surface and the apparent separateness. I guess all we can do is keep recognising the universal, transpersonal context, the deep, and the connectedness - recognising that that does not ever go away and cannot go away.

All that cannot go away, because it is inherent in Consciousness. The 'I' which is looking, and engaging with the challenges of 'being a person' is always, it would seem, also the infinite space of Consciousness in which the whole physical universe is held. The bodily sense of 'being a person' is only there because of the non-personal field of Consciousness in which we rest. When we recognise and open inwardly to that infinite reality, the responses within this localised experience of embodied Consciousness that we experience, are informed by it. I notice a trust, and ease, and compassion, and kindness, that is effortlessly present and wants to express itself in my relationships and in my life.

There is more, but I have to go, so I will say goodbye for now. Sending much love and gratitude.

Much love,

Will
Yes Will my Friend OK Personally so to speak Lol
When I ask You & Anyone I Guide to Go Through a technique & or Look into something, I myself go through the same exact thing I ask them & Wow Right Now This is Way Beyond Anything Personal.
Concepts like I'm thinking or doing even though Apparently & Only Seemingly That's what going on & isn't When Looking !?!/?!?
Even Crazier is Who is the One Looking ??? ¿¿¿ Really really I don't Know Who.
Everything is Already Happening Before I Do or can claim doing thinking breathing or remembering too Be connect to Conscious Awareness !!!
So i Took another Look at Your Post & was Wondering are You saying the same thing but in a little way ??? Do You have any Responsibility over Personality & Conscious Awareness & if So in What Way ¿? ¿ Ok lets stop Here & See Where We're at Sending much Love Stafford ImageImageImageImageImageImage

PS Apologies for Short Post had So Much Going on See No Choice or Control Lol Definitely will Post Tomorrow Even if it's short Sending You & Your Loved Ones Much Love ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage


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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby LoveMandala » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:36 am

Even Crazier is Who is the One Looking ??? ¿¿¿ Really really I don't Know Who.
Everything is Already Happening Before I Do or can claim doing thinking breathing or remembering too Be connect to Conscious Awareness !!!
Like you perhaps, I feel very busy, and there are lots of demands and challenges, which trigger anxiety and old egoic habits of mind. But whenever I stop, I notice that Consciousness is there, and has been there in the midst of it all - and with that clarity is there, and kindness, appreciation, and moments of resting, opening and healing.

There is also the world melting down into a virus-induced economic collapse! I find myself wanting to know what is going on, and feeling very small as the central banks and treasuries of the world bustle about trying to prevent the global debt bubble from bursting. While my need to 'know' and to 'understand the big picture dynamics' drives me to spend time listening to videos, this activity soon exhausts itself, and I find myself returning to the peace of the present moment and the little challenges and little pleasures of my little life.

And all of it is happening on its own, and all of the apparent persons involved ('important' and 'unimportant') are run by universal and impersonal motivations. I can see that those who are most fiercely, rigidly, and narrowly identified with 'being a person', and looking after number one, are suffering the most right now - and causing the most suffering to others. Even though I can see that none of us are completely free from conditions, I feel blessed to feel content in a very modest and simple lifestyle - resting as Consciousness, and touching into the Uncaused Happiness, and being nourished by that every day.

Wishing you good health and ease and grace in these trying times.

Much love,

Will
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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby StaffordJR » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:20 am


Even Crazier is Who is the One Looking ??? ¿¿¿ Really really I don't Know Who.
Everything is Already Happening Before I Do or can claim doing thinking breathing or remembering too Be connect to Conscious Awareness !!!
Like you perhaps, I feel very busy, and there are lots of demands and challenges, which trigger anxiety and old egoic habits of mind. But whenever I stop, I notice that Consciousness is there, and has been there in the midst of it all - and with that clarity is there, and kindness, appreciation, and moments of resting, opening and healing.

There is also the world melting down into a virus-induced economic collapse! I find myself wanting to know what is going on, and feeling very small as the central banks and treasuries of the world bustle about trying to prevent the global debt bubble from bursting. While my need to 'know' and to 'understand the big picture dynamics' drives me to spend time listening to videos, this activity soon exhausts itself, and I find myself returning to the peace of the present moment and the little challenges and little pleasures of my little life.

And all of it is happening on its own, and all of the apparent persons involved ('important' and 'unimportant') are run by universal and impersonal motivations. I can see that those who are most fiercely, rigidly, and narrowly identified with 'being a person', and looking after number one, are suffering the most right now - and causing the most suffering to others. Even though I can see that none of us are completely free from conditions, I feel blessed to feel content in a very modest and simple lifestyle - resting as Consciousness, and touching into the Uncaused Happiness, and being nourished by that every day.

Wishing you good health and ease and grace in these trying times.

Much love,

Will
Yes my Friend & Thank You !!! It's Been Very Trying !!! My Wife has had a couple of Breakdowns & my niece called Beside Herself talking the worst about the big city She lives in & everything !!!/???
Talking with everyone & guiding them too Feel & See that it's not Happening The way We're imagining Thinking & Told. We have No Idea What's going Too Happen next ?!?
Crazier Then that is Who is the One Experiencing This Whole Story ???/!!!
Resting into & Out of Consciousness has No Thing Too Do with a Me & You, IT Creates a me & you & out That We Appear to Be in & out of Consciousness !!! /???
I'm So Happy You're not identified as Deeply as Other are Appearing to Be with what's happening with Our World !!! I also See There's some Clarity Here in Our Work as Well, However with everything else going on I'm not sure Where You're stuck ??? So going to Stop here & Please let me know Where We can continue, I'm Feeling it's still somewhat Personal if that's making sense ?!? Please let me Know !!!
Thank You Will & Please Know I'm always Thinking about You & Hoping You & Your Loved Ones are Safe & Sound !!! I Know We Are Always Unharmed it's We forget What We Are made Of, Infinity ;~} =_= {~;
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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby LoveMandala » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:03 am

Hi Stafford,
Feel & See that it's not Happening The way We're imagining Thinking & Told. We have No Idea What's going Too Happen next ?!?
Crazier Then that is Who is the One Experiencing This Whole Story ???/!!!
Resting into & Out of Consciousness has No Thing Too Do with a Me & You, IT Creates a me & you & out That We Appear to Be in & out of Consciousness !!! /???
I'm So Happy You're not identified as Deeply as Other are Appearing to Be with what's happening with Our World !!!
One of the things that is coming out of this reconciliation of the apparent of oppositions - the remembering / forgetting; knowing / not-knowing; mystery / mystory; etc., has been as growing sense of Embodiment. By which I mean 'embodied Consciousness' - a appreciative sense that even the physical body is pervaded by and not separate from the field of Consciousness. It seems curious and wonderful to 'have' a body - bodies seem so separate. But the fundamental reality is the Unity and the Connectedness and the Light of Clarity that pervades it all.

I am recognising that the body is only process - and that the appearance of the body as a fixed, substantial thing is only an illusion. What animates the body on the physical level is not personal but universal. And the energies of the subtle bodies, are non-personal also. And yet it all comes together to create the illusion of a self. All aspects of the self-ing process are happening on their own.
with everything else going on I'm not sure Where You're stuck ??? So going to Stop here & Please let me know Where We can continue, I'm Feeling it's still somewhat Personal if that's making sense ?!? Please let me Know !!!
I am not sure where I am stuck either. Maybe I am not stuck. I am interested in your thoughts? There are still healing processes that are wanting to happen - old egoic identifications waiting for the moment of their release - but there is a wonderful sense of being no longer stuck in egoic identifications as I remember I was a few years back. I have learnt, it seems, to trust the non-personal processes of life - and the beneficial transpersonal forces that flow through me. I recognise that an ongoing healing process is underway - and that I can relax and allow it to happen. It is so much easier to relax now that the unconscious conviction that their is a separate self has receded - and now that my fear has dropped away.

Maybe this is what is it to pass through the Gateless Gate - we look back and have a sense that we have passed through a transition. The inner landscape has opened out, and the journey feels different and easier - one is traveling lighter, and one is no longer wandering, and there is a sense of purpose that is not from any personal will. We might still talk of 'I' and 'me', and 'my', but there is an awareness that that it is just a conventional way of talking. There cannot be a present moment personal experience of passing through the Gate. Nobody approached the Gate, nobody passed through the Gate, and nobody came out the other side. Hence it is a Gateless Gate.

From where I am now, I do not see any endpoint to this process. There is just a growing familiarity with the 'empty', non-self, nature of reality; a growing confidence in that; and a sense of ongoing energetic transformation - as the more surface and apparently individual aspects of my being become more and more aligned with my 'empty' true nature as Consciousness. There are still skills to learn - I am very motivated to learn the skills required for communicating these truths, and supporting self-enquiry in others - but their appears to be a transpersonal core of insight and confidence, and mental and emotional stability, that makes these learning processes feel relatively easy.

I am finding that the daily dialogue with you is focusing my mind on what is eternal. With everything that is going on however, I can see that we may not be able to post every day, or even every couple of days. I am wondering if perhaps we should connect less frequently - maybe aiming for a couple of times a week, or once a week, whatever suits you.

Thank you so much for the link - that looks like a wonderful book. I am very grateful. I have met Nirmala, and remember having a lovely dialogue with him - and really liking him. I found him wonderfully relaxed and approachable - whereas most spiritual teachers used to make me very nervous. He was on a visit to Australia. It was a long time ago - about 15 years I think. I am guessing you have made quite a connection with him. Maybe if we get to do that video call, you can tell me about that.

I am wishing health, strength and calm for you and your friends and family in these challenging times.

Much love,

Will
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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby StaffordJR » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:27 am


Hi Stafford,
Feel & See that it's not Happening The way We're imagining Thinking & Told. We have No Idea What's going Too Happen next ?!?
Crazier Then that is Who is the One Experiencing This Whole Story ???/!!!
Resting into & Out of Consciousness has No Thing Too Do with a Me & You, IT Creates a me & you & out That We Appear to Be in & out of Consciousness !!! /???
I'm So Happy You're not identified as Deeply as Other are Appearing to Be with what's happening with Our World !!!
One of the things that is coming out of this reconciliation of the apparent of oppositions - the remembering / forgetting; knowing / not-knowing; mystery / mystory; etc., has been as growing sense of Embodiment. By which I mean 'embodied Consciousness' - a appreciative sense that even the physical body is pervaded by and not separate from the field of Consciousness. It seems curious and wonderful to 'have' a body - bodies seem so separate. But the fundamental reality is the Unity and the Connectedness and the Light of Clarity that pervades it all.

I am recognising that the body is only process - and that the appearance of the body as a fixed, substantial thing is only an illusion. What animates the body on the physical level is not personal but universal. And the energies of the subtle bodies, are non-personal also. And yet it all comes together to create the illusion of a self. All aspects of the self-ing process are happening on their own.
with everything else going on I'm not sure Where You're stuck ??? So going to Stop here & Please let me know Where We can continue, I'm Feeling it's still somewhat Personal if that's making sense ?!? Please let me Know !!!
I am not sure where I am stuck either. Maybe I am not stuck. I am interested in your thoughts? There are still healing processes that are wanting to happen - old egoic identifications waiting for the moment of their release - but there is a wonderful sense of being no longer stuck in egoic identifications as I remember I was a few years back. I have learnt, it seems, to trust the non-personal processes of life - and the beneficial transpersonal forces that flow through me. I recognise that an ongoing healing process is underway - and that I can relax and allow it to happen. It is so much easier to relax now that the unconscious conviction that their is a separate self has receded - and now that my fear has dropped away.

Maybe this is what is it to pass through the Gateless Gate - we look back and have a sense that we have passed through a transition. The inner landscape has opened out, and the journey feels different and easier - one is traveling lighter, and one is no longer wandering, and there is a sense of purpose that is not from any personal will. We might still talk of 'I' and 'me', and 'my', but there is an awareness that that it is just a conventional way of talking. There cannot be a present moment personal experience of passing through the Gate. Nobody approached the Gate, nobody passed through the Gate, and nobody came out the other side. Hence it is a Gateless Gate.

From where I am now, I do not see any endpoint to this process. There is just a growing familiarity with the 'empty', non-self, nature of reality; a growing confidence in that; and a sense of ongoing energetic transformation - as the more surface and apparently individual aspects of my being become more and more aligned with my 'empty' true nature as Consciousness. There are still skills to learn - I am very motivated to learn the skills required for communicating these truths, and supporting self-enquiry in others - but their appears to be a transpersonal core of insight and confidence, and mental and emotional stability, that makes these learning processes feel relatively easy.

I am finding that the daily dialogue with you is focusing my mind on what is eternal. With everything that is going on however, I can see that we may not be able to post every day, or even every couple of days. I am wondering if perhaps we should connect less frequently - maybe aiming for a couple of times a week, or once a week, whatever suits you.

Thank you so much for the link - that looks like a wonderful book. I am very grateful. I have met Nirmala, and remember having a lovely dialogue with him - and really liking him. I found him wonderfully relaxed and approachable - whereas most spiritual teachers used to make me very nervous. He was on a visit to Australia. It was a long time ago - about 15 years I think. I am guessing you have made quite a connection with him. Maybe if we get to do that video call, you can tell me about that.

I am wishing health, strength and calm for you and your friends and family in these challenging times.

Much love,

Will



Hi Will & Yes Not Stuck my Dear Friend & Welcome Home
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And Yes This doesn't have an End Point, Never had a Beginning either Lol ImageImageImage
In All seriousness We have some final questions & then send You too The End of Conversation where the Confirmation Team makes sure there's Clarity. Which I have no Doubt !!! Then You're invited to an after care Facebook group where You can Learn more Tools & have an opportunity too Guide Others !!!
I know You feel unsure about ("""" a transpersonal core of insight and confidence, and mental and emotional stability, that makes these learning processes feel relatively easy."""") You Absolutely can't get This right or wrong my Friend !!!
What can Being get & what could Be done Wrong or Right about No/Thing !?! /?!?
However We can keep working until You're confident This can't Be unseen & no skills needed for Consciousness Too Be ;~} =_= {~;
I'm so Glad You liked the book I sent You !!! I've never had the Pleasure to meet Nirmala, I'm Guessing the connection is The Passion of Knowing The Truth !?!/?!? I've been seeking since childhood & have been Graced in That search for lack of words !!!/???
I'll keep trying too posting ever day. Apologies I haven't been able too. Among everything I Drive for Grub Hub delivering food & with the Crisis it's been So Busy However I do like posting daily & Hopefully We get too do a Video Chat when Life allows Lol
Ok Will talk soon & Sending Peace Love Life & Laughter Yours Truly Stafford ImageImageImageImageImageImage





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Postby LoveMandala » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:02 am

Hi Stafford,

I am grateful as always for the precious warmth of connection and encouragement that I feel from you - and the wise, confident clarity that flows through you. You seem very deeply anchored in the recognition - living from that realisation in a very integrated way. In a seemingly effortless way, you have facilitated a truly extraordinary crystalisation of my process - I had never imagined that this Satsang-via-online-forum-dialogue could be so powerful.
And Yes This doesn't have an End Point, Never had a Beginning either Lol ImageImageImage
In All seriousness We have some final questions & then send You too The End of Conversation where the Confirmation Team makes sure there's Clarity. Which I have no Doubt !!! Then You're invited to an after care Facebook group where You can Learn more Tools & have an opportunity too Guide Others !!!
And thanks for this information about the 'End of Conversation'. That sounds rather wonderful - it sounds like the Holy Grail, or 'the restaurant at the end of the universe'. A place beyond concepts where there is no end and no beginning, a place where self-view is extinguished and there is nothing more to say. And yet, even as we recognise the absolute limitatation of concepts, the attempt to describe the realisation is so engaging - to rejoice in the recognition, to appreciate it, and to communicate it in different ways. I find myself deeply motivated to keep on trying to articulate an acknowledgement of its many implications and manifestations.

There is sense for me that my confidence and trust in the benign impersonal reality of the Mystery is a sort of devotion - a devotional appreciation and valuing of the space of Consciousness in which self-view is dissolved, and which, paradoxically, is also the source of the self-illusion. So, while there is mental clarity, there is also something I might call faith - and a appreciative joy in the recognition of our blessedness. The Uncaused Happiness is always present, and the impersonal life energies that flow though us are recognised to be those of compassion - always moving us towards fulfillment, evolution, integration, effectiveness, and the benefit of all beings.

I have an image that sort of describes the spiritual journey for me - it is an metaphor from the days of the Apollo moon missions. Everyone knows the beautiful 'Earthrise' images of planet earth taken by astronauts orbiting the moon. For me those images are like our recognition of 'Home' - our first recognition of the illusion of self-view, and of our potential to live without that constraint. That was a few years back now - I think I had several glimpses of home in different ways and at different times. If I was to say where I am on the journey home now, I would say I am past the half-way point between the moon and earth - completely free of the moon's gravity and being drawn by the gravity of my home planet. I am in surrendered receptivity to the beneficial transpersonal forces that are carrying me home.

Once again I am wishing you health and strength and ease and grace in these 'interesting times'. May the Force be with you.

How do you switch smilies on?

Much love,

Will
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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby StaffordJR » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:46 am


Hi Stafford,

I am grateful as always for the precious warmth of connection and encouragement that I feel from you - and the wise, confident clarity that flows through you. You seem very deeply anchored in the recognition - living from that realisation in a very integrated way. In a seemingly effortless way, you have facilitated a truly extraordinary crystalisation of my process - I had never imagined that this Satsang-via-online-forum-dialogue could be so powerful.
And Yes This doesn't have an End Point, Never had a Beginning either Lol ImageImageImage
In All seriousness We have some final questions & then send You too The End of Conversation where the Confirmation Team makes sure there's Clarity. Which I have no Doubt !!! Then You're invited to an after care Facebook group where You can Learn more Tools & have an opportunity too Guide Others !!!
And thanks for this information about the 'End of Conversation'. That sounds rather wonderful - it sounds like the Holy Grail, or 'the restaurant at the end of the universe'. A place beyond concepts where there is no end and no beginning, a place where self-view is extinguished and there is nothing more to say. And yet, even as we recognise the absolute limitatation of concepts, the attempt to describe the realisation is so engaging - to rejoice in the recognition, to appreciate it, and to communicate it in different ways. I find myself deeply motivated to keep on trying to articulate an acknowledgement of its many implications and manifestations.

There is sense for me that my confidence and trust in the benign impersonal reality of the Mystery is a sort of devotion - a devotional appreciation and valuing of the space of Consciousness in which self-view is dissolved, and which, paradoxically, is also the source of the self-illusion. So, while there is mental clarity, there is also something I might call faith - and a appreciative joy in the recognition of our blessedness. The Uncaused Happiness is always present, and the impersonal life energies that flow though us are recognised to be those of compassion - always moving us towards fulfillment, evolution, integration, effectiveness, and the benefit of all beings.

I have an image that sort of describes the spiritual journey for me - it is an metaphor from the days of the Apollo moon missions. Everyone knows the beautiful 'Earthrise' images of planet earth taken by astronauts orbiting the moon. For me those images are like our recognition of 'Home' - our first recognition of the illusion of self-view, and of our potential to live without that constraint. That was a few years back now - I think I had several glimpses of home in different ways and at different times. If I was to say where I am on the journey home now, I would say I am past the half-way point between the moon and earth - completely free of the moon's gravity and being drawn by the gravity of my home planet. I am in surrendered receptivity to the beneficial transpersonal forces that are carrying me home.

Once again I am wishing you health and strength and ease and grace in these 'interesting times'. May the Force be with you.

How do you switch smilies on?

Much love,

Will
Oh my Gosh Will How Beautiful That Touches my Heart & i so Appreciate Your Kindness ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
I just have too say I can't take crede& i live a very normal life with all the difficulties habits & passions of an UN awake individual & at the same time There is Obviously Nobody Home, only Cosmic Juice Flowing !!!/¿¿¿ ImageImageImage
Ok so I'm going to give You the final questions & Be as Clear an Honest as You have Been & Keep IT as Simple as Possible !!! IT'S stupid simple Lol & Not Explainable ¿ ! ¿
I wanted to take this time & Thank You for Allowing me on This Wonderful & Mysterious/Mystory Journey with You, because Every Time I go Through This Gate Less Gate with someone That Someone Face IS Always My Face Too ;~} =_= {~; So Much Love & Appreciation for Reflecting Our True Identity & Nature my Brother in this Illusion !!!
Always Sending Peace Love Life & Laughter Yours Truly Stafford

PS May The Force Be with You as Well
And Thanks for All The Fish Lol
Love Your image & Metaphor my Friend & Your Questions are below, Remember Stupid Simple Lol
!!! Love Health & Peace for You & Your Loved Ones ImageImageImageImageImageImageImage

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Postby LoveMandala » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:25 am

Hi Stafford,

Thank you again. I have a wonderful sense of sharing the great cosmic joke with you - the comedy of revealing the nakedness and emptiness of the habitual self-illusion.

Those are wonderful questions. It will probably be best if I address them two at a time. I will start in my next post. I hope I can keep my responses simple as you say - my thinking mind is both a blessing and a curse. A lot of the time, things do actually seem very simple from where I am now, but I still remember the various, complicated ways in which self-view can manifest. It seems that we all, in the course of our life process within the time illusion, accumulate our own particular fears and vulnerabilies, and defensive habits of mind - and not one egoic self, but several (!) - and they are all illusory. I am keenly aware, as I feel the relaxation that comes from non-identification, that those around me are still compounding their suffering by self-view. Believing with deep unconscious conviction in a separate self really does add enormously to people's stress in these difficult times.

My biggest challenge in recent days has been to notice the lack of fixed and separate self-nature in those in my life who are in strong egoic reactivity. I find it really helps to notice that everything everyone does and says, however 'personal' it might appear, is in fact expressing the universal need energies of the divine intelligence. The egoic mind does seem to make a terrible, tragic mess of everything, as people abandon their natural ethics and their humanity - but behind it all is the benevolent impersonal Mystery, an infinite compassionate presence waiting patiently to be received more fully into our lives, when the egoic illusion is released.

I have also been reflecting on, and perhaps wrestling with, the Time/Eternity polarity, and the way we habitually view Time in a way that reinforces the illusion of a self - a separate personal will progressing though time, appearing to think, sense, evaluate, desire and act. In reality all of these cognitive-perceptual dimensions, from which the illusion of a self is assembled, are just 'empty' processes happening on their own. It is all just data flowing through us, and through the vast messy/beautiful network of interconnectivity, which is our world, and their are no separate selves. The illusion of self-hood is somehow bound up with our habitual and obsessive attention on the past and future, and our neglect of the eternal present moment. The more we allow ourselves to rest 'as' the present moment of Consciousness, the more past and future are released, and with that the self-view also.

Thankfully the whole illusion of Time and 'persons' is interpenetrated by, and not separate from the Eternal, and the present moment of Consciousness seems to weave the universe into a unity - as if the whole thing were created fresh in every moment. A meeting of Time and Eternity appears to take place in us - Time causing everything to appear conditioned and separate; Eternity granting us freedom and lifting us out of the illusion. When we release self-view, and rest 'as' that impersonal present moment of Consciousness and Connection, we participate in the creation in some way. Through our freedom, we become channels for the transformational forces of clarity and compassion. All this is so inherently impossible to talk about, I guess - and maybe I should not bother - but I cannot seem to resist the attempt.

I will get back to those questions. That will give me quite enough to focus on over the next few days.

I hope you and yours are bearing up, as the world continues to melt down. Stay well.

Much love,

Will
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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby StaffordJR » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:43 am


Hi Stafford,

Thank you again. I have a wonderful sense of sharing the great cosmic joke with you - the comedy of revealing the nakedness and emptiness of the habitual self-illusion.

Those are wonderful questions. It will probably be best if I address them two at a time. I will start in my next post. I hope I can keep my responses simple as you say - my thinking mind is both a blessing and a curse. A lot of the time, things do actually seem very simple from where I am now, but I still remember the various, complicated ways in which self-view can manifest. It seems that we all, in the course of our life process within the time illusion, accumulate our own particular fears and vulnerabilies, and defensive habits of mind - and not one egoic self, but several (!) - and they are all illusory. I am keenly aware, as I feel the relaxation that comes from non-identification, that those around me are still compounding their suffering by self-view. Believing with deep unconscious conviction in a separate self really does add enormously to people's stress in these difficult times.

My biggest challenge in recent days has been to notice the lack of fixed and separate self-nature in those in my life who are in strong egoic reactivity. I find it really helps to notice that everything everyone does and says, however 'personal' it might appear, is in fact expressing the universal need energies of the divine intelligence. The egoic mind does seem to make a terrible, tragic mess of everything, as people abandon their natural ethics and their humanity - but behind it all is the benevolent impersonal Mystery, an infinite compassionate presence waiting patiently to be received more fully into our lives, when the egoic illusion is released.

I have also been reflecting on, and perhaps wrestling with, the Time/Eternity polarity, and the way we habitually view Time in a way that reinforces the illusion of a self - a separate personal will progressing though time, appearing to think, sense, evaluate, desire and act. In reality all of these cognitive-perceptual dimensions, from which the illusion of a self is assembled, are just 'empty' processes happening on their own. It is all just data flowing through us, and through the vast messy/beautiful network of interconnectivity, which is our world, and their are no separate selves. The illusion of self-hood is somehow bound up with our habitual and obsessive attention on the past and future, and our neglect of the eternal present moment. The more we allow ourselves to rest 'as' the present moment of Consciousness, the more past and future are released, and with that the self-view also.

Thankfully the whole illusion of Time and 'persons' is interpenetrated by, and not separate from the Eternal, and the present moment of Consciousness seems to weave the universe into a unity - as if the whole thing were created fresh in every moment. A meeting of Time and Eternity appears to take place in us - Time causing everything to appear conditioned and separate; Eternity granting us freedom and lifting us out of the illusion. When we release self-view, and rest 'as' that impersonal present moment of Consciousness and Connection, we participate in the creation in some way. Through our freedom, we become channels for the transformational forces of clarity and compassion. All this is so inherently impossible to talk about, I guess - and maybe I should not bother - but I cannot seem to resist the attempt.

I will get back to those questions. That will give me quite enough to focus on over the next few days.

I hope you and yours are bearing up, as the world continues to melt down. Stay well.

Much love,

Will
Hi Will,

Yes I can Relate. For me so to speak, dealing with strong egoic behavior in myself & especially family & close friends & Seeing them going through painful identification process & wanting me too play along with them & they not really know What's going on is a little frustrating & tiring after patient & Companion runs Thin at times Lol.
However when I have a basic conversation, I Soon Realize There's No Way Too communicate a my Truth?.? I mean We Really Seem like Ya That Person is Getting what l'm Saying & When the Conversation turns around too the other Well Remember the Telephone game when We were Kids, No Comprehension Most Times Lol
Another reference too Not Knowing are Own Reality so to speak. We believe We're Seeing What's Out There but kinda like You put it there many Various Complicated ways of self View. According to Optometrist Biology Science & Master of Meditation. Seeing is done inside the head Behind the Eyes & Upside down at That !!! And The Thought about IT Happens Six Seconds Before The Supposed Personal Self Decides Anything & Everything ?!?!?!
Soo What's Really Going on Really & Where Would Freedom & Responsibility Be had at This Point Right...........???????
Best of All None of This is Known Too me. There's Looking Every Chance I get However There's No I Who gets IT & Yet This Phenomenal I Contemplating What in a Time/Eternity polarity Wow Gets me & Even though Not Understandable IT won't let Go Lol !!! /??? Conceptually None of This Works & Yet Here We are putting the Puzzle Together Right Too Fun & Hilarious !!!
Ok so kinda got rambling & off Track Kinda Lol Apologies.
Take Your time with the Questions & talk with You Soon. I definitely Appreciate Your Patience with my posting Back. Life carriers me all over & there's a Sort of Surrendering going on with Everything. Really can't Know What's Going to Happen from Moment Too Moment ImageImageImageImage ?!? /¡?¡
Sending Peace Love Life & Laughter Yours Truly Stafford ImageImageImageImageImageImage

PS By the way I use a Smartphone so I'm not sure how too turn the Emoji on with anything else Apologies ?!? And I Really Hope You & Your Loved Ones are Safe & Sound Through These Changing Times, IT'S All Good Really Though Love You Much & Talk SoonImageImageImageImageImageImage





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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby LoveMandala » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:55 am

Hi Stafford,

I am trying to find time amidst the busyness to work on the questions. I was going to tackle them two at a time but eventually realised that they are quite interconnected, and that it would be better to send you them all in one go. Its a lot of writing though. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Question 1: Is there a separate 'self', 'me', 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No - there are no separate selves, and there never were any separate selves. There is an 'appearance' of separate selves, but when we look closely, nothing in those apparent selves is ‘personal’. Selves are just aggregations of non-personal elements, and nothing can be found in our experience, to which a ‘self’ can be attributed. While I still use the words ‘I’, ‘me’, and ‘my’, there is now an awareness that this is just a necessary convention for relational functioning in relative existence.

Question 2: Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully a you see it now.

For me the most fundamental aspect of the self-illusion, is the fact the experience of Consciousness that we take to be separate, subjective and personal, simply is not. Rather Consciousness is objective and collective – best thought of an infinite field in which everything rests; and in which everything is connected and unified.

The apparent 'I' at the centre of all the thinking, sensing, evaluating, desiring, and acting, is not a personal self, but a mysterious unknowable universal observer and experiencer – and this, paradoxically, is what gives rise to the illusion of a self. When we release our habitual personalisation of Consciousness and recognise that Consciousness is better thought of as the space in which everything is happening, we naturally begin to release our identifications with the perceiving and decision-making processes that were previously taken as evidence of a self.

Similarly, the will is not personal. Everything is happening on its own - all motivations are impersonal and universal, and ultimately inseparable from the field of Consciousness. Our apparent sense of a personal will, or of personal needs, is just an identification with volitional energies that are actually non-personal.

Question 3: How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

For the last few years I have been practicing a form of the Zen ‘just sitting’, where I just rest ‘as’ the ‘empty’ non-personal Consciousness and notice the multidimensional, spacious, and intangible way in which that Consciousness finds embodiment. I find that the feeling tone of this sense of Presence is of appreciation, ease, contentment, and aliveness.

The LU dialogue process has heightened and broadened this felt experience, and appears to have expanded it much more into my interpersonal life. In recent weeks, when called upon to describe my experience, I notice that I am mostly bearing witness to the appreciative, empathetic and embracing quality of Presence – its kindness, love, and compassionate responsiveness; and its wish to connect.

Question 4: What was the last bit that pushed you over?

The release of self-view has caused a subtle disinhibition process in which old psychological patterning has unravelled. While there is a sense that that the healing continues, it appears to have generally become a very quiet, and restful process. It is difficult to identify the most significant turning point, but for me the recognition of the way that human needs arise from the presence of universal non-personal energies has been very profound. I repeatedly find that where there were previously anxious experiences of lack, that would have strongly affirmed a sense of seIf, I instead discover a paradoxical inner completeness, and the presence of non-personal life energies that are evolutionary, beneficial, and compassionate.

This has profoundly changed the way I think about life, and experience feeling processes. It has also changed my experience of the physical body. There is a new sense of ease, flow, spontaneity, vitality, and a relaxed, appreciative, body-awareness – and this is experienced concurrently with a very keen awareness of my vulnerability and mortality as a human being.

Question 5: Please describe decision, intention, free-will, choice, and control. What makes things happen? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.


Whether we are still within the self-illusion or not, judgments are made by a combination of logical, or thinking-based approaches to decision-making, or feeling-based evaluative or processes, based on conscious or unconscious memory. If we personalise our experience, the illusion of egoic decision-making then becomes an illusion of egoic intention, and this in turn becomes the illusion of egoic action and control, through our belief in a personal will.

When we release the personalising idea that there is a personal will, the impersonal volitional processes continue, but they transform, and those that remain no longer have an egoic character – the drive for egoic control releases; there is a capacity to let everything be as it is; and to rest in a sense of appreciation and uncaused happiness. As before, everything is happening on its own, but there is an emergence of qualities of relaxation, balance, empathy and self-empathy – so seeing through self-view leads to a natural ethics and spontaneous compassionate engagement.

The question of responsibility is a tricky one. Within the egoic illusion, people will often deny responsibility for situations and processes that were caused by their actions. This denial of responsibility serves to protect the self-image, and may take the form of either dishonesty or self-delusion. Ultimately however, there are no ‘persons’ to which responsibility can be attributed, and those who see through the illusion of self-view, recognise that all their previous actions were conditioned. For example, in my own experience I have experienced processes of grief, remorse and regret as I reflect back over my life, but there is no guilt – at least not the emotion of guilt as it usually experienced and understood. While we may come to see very clearly how our patterns of thinking and behaviour have caused harm and are strongly motivated to change, we can recognise that, from the absolute perspective we were not responsible.

Question 6: Anything to add?

I am happy to leave that last question blank. I may come up with some additional reflections - but nothing at present.

Once again wishing you health and ease. It sounds like that food delivery job is one of the best jobs you could have at this time. At least you get be out and about and still earning while others are losing their jobs or stuck at home. I guess you need to take care though. I hope that is going ok.

Much love to you and yours,

Will
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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby StaffordJR » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:09 am


Hi Stafford,

I am trying to find time amidst the busyness to work on the questions. I was going to tackle them two at a time but eventually realised that they are quite interconnected, and that it would be better to send you them all in one go. Its a lot of writing though. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Question 1: Is there a separate 'self', 'me', 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No - there are no separate selves, and there never were any separate selves. There is an 'appearance' of separate selves, but when we look closely, nothing in those apparent selves is ‘personal’. Selves are just aggregations of non-personal elements, and nothing can be found in our experience, to which a ‘self’ can be attributed. While I still use the words ‘I’, ‘me’, and ‘my’, there is now an awareness that this is just a necessary convention for relational functioning in relative existence.

Question 2: Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully a you see it now.

For me the most fundamental aspect of the self-illusion, is the fact the experience of Consciousness that we take to be separate, subjective and personal, simply is not. Rather Consciousness is objective and collective – best thought of an infinite field in which everything rests; and in which everything is connected and unified.

The apparent 'I' at the centre of all the thinking, sensing, evaluating, desiring, and acting, is not a personal self, but a mysterious unknowable universal observer and experiencer – and this, paradoxically, is what gives rise to the illusion of a self. When we release our habitual personalisation of Consciousness and recognise that Consciousness is better thought of as the space in which everything is happening, we naturally begin to release our identifications with the perceiving and decision-making processes that were previously taken as evidence of a self.

Similarly, the will is not personal. Everything is happening on its own - all motivations are impersonal and universal, and ultimately inseparable from the field of Consciousness. Our apparent sense of a personal will, or of personal needs, is just an identification with volitional energies that are actually non-personal.

Question 3: How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

For the last few years I have been practicing a form of the Zen ‘just sitting’, where I just rest ‘as’ the ‘empty’ non-personal Consciousness and notice the multidimensional, spacious, and intangible way in which that Consciousness finds embodiment. I find that the feeling tone of this sense of Presence is of appreciation, ease, contentment, and aliveness.

The LU dialogue process has heightened and broadened this felt experience, and appears to have expanded it much more into my interpersonal life. In recent weeks, when called upon to describe my experience, I notice that I am mostly bearing witness to the appreciative, empathetic and embracing quality of Presence – its kindness, love, and compassionate responsiveness; and its wish to connect.

Question 4: What was the last bit that pushed you over?

The release of self-view has caused a subtle disinhibition process in which old psychological patterning has unravelled. While there is a sense that that the healing continues, it appears to have generally become a very quiet, and restful process. It is difficult to identify the most significant turning point, but for me the recognition of the way that human needs arise from the presence of universal non-personal energies has been very profound. I repeatedly find that where there were previously anxious experiences of lack, that would have strongly affirmed a sense of seIf, I instead discover a paradoxical inner completeness, and the presence of non-personal life energies that are evolutionary, beneficial, and compassionate.

This has profoundly changed the way I think about life, and experience feeling processes. It has also changed my experience of the physical body. There is a new sense of ease, flow, spontaneity, vitality, and a relaxed, appreciative, body-awareness – and this is experienced concurrently with a very keen awareness of my vulnerability and mortality as a human being.

Question 5: Please describe decision, intention, free-will, choice, and control. What makes things happen? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.


Whether we are still within the self-illusion or not, judgments are made by a combination of logical, or thinking-based approaches to decision-making, or feeling-based evaluative or processes, based on conscious or unconscious memory. If we personalise our experience, the illusion of egoic decision-making then becomes an illusion of egoic intention, and this in turn becomes the illusion of egoic action and control, through our belief in a personal will.

When we release the personalising idea that there is a personal will, the impersonal volitional processes continue, but they transform, and those that remain no longer have an egoic character – the drive for egoic control releases; there is a capacity to let everything be as it is; and to rest in a sense of appreciation and uncaused happiness. As before, everything is happening on its own, but there is an emergence of qualities of relaxation, balance, empathy and self-empathy – so seeing through self-view leads to a natural ethics and spontaneous compassionate engagement.

The question of responsibility is a tricky one. Within the egoic illusion, people will often deny responsibility for situations and processes that were caused by their actions. This denial of responsibility serves to protect the self-image, and may take the form of either dishonesty or self-delusion. Ultimately however, there are no ‘persons’ to which responsibility can be attributed, and those who see through the illusion of self-view, recognise that all their previous actions were conditioned. For example, in my own experience I have experienced processes of grief, remorse and regret as I reflect back over my life, but there is no guilt – at least not the emotion of guilt as it usually experienced and understood. While we may come to see very clearly how our patterns of thinking and behaviour have caused harm and are strongly motivated to change, we can recognise that, from the absolute perspective we were not responsible.

Question 6: Anything to add?

I am happy to leave that last question blank. I may come up with some additional reflections - but nothing at present.

Once again wishing you health and ease. It sounds like that food delivery job is one of the best jobs you could have at this time. At least you get be out and about and still earning while others are losing their jobs or stuck at home. I guess you need to take care though. I hope that is going ok.

Much love to you and yours,

Will
Hi Will,

Apologies & Wonderful Work my Friend!!! I had to take Time on This because Life had me a little Distracted for lack of Words Lol !¿!
I'm sending this off too The Confirmation Team & See If anything needs more Clarification ?!? / !?! The only Thing that I See coming from the Confirmation Team maybe is it's a Little Detailed & intellectual, However I also noticed You're mentioning How Impersonal This All IS !?! So We'll wait & See what they See & Go from there ?!? Sending Much Love ImageImageImageImageImageImage

Yes Thank You, Very Lucky Fortunate & Blessed for Things Too Be Happening as Well for me & at the same time Stress Frustration Tears & Sadness & !!! /???
Ok Will talk Soon & Sending Peace Love Life & Laughter ImageImageImageImageImageImage



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Re: Is recognising that Consciousness is not personal the same as seeing through self-view?

Postby StaffordJR » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:14 am

Hi Stafford,

I am trying to find time amidst the busyness to work on the questions. I was going to tackle them two at a time but eventually realised that they are quite interconnected, and that it would be better to send you them all in one go. Its a lot of writing though. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Question 1: Is there a separate 'self', 'me', 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No - there are no separate selves, and there never were any separate selves. There is an 'appearance' of separate selves, but when we look closely, nothing in those apparent selves is ‘personal’. Selves are just aggregations of non-personal elements, and nothing can be found in our experience, to which a ‘self’ can be attributed. While I still use the words ‘I’, ‘me’, and ‘my’, there is now an awareness that this is just a necessary convention for relational functioning in relative existence.

Question 2: Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully a you see it now.

For me the most fundamental aspect of the self-illusion, is the fact the experience of Consciousness that we take to be separate, subjective and personal, simply is not. Rather Consciousness is objective and collective – best thought of an infinite field in which everything rests; and in which everything is connected and unified.

The apparent 'I' at the centre of all the thinking, sensing, evaluating, desiring, and acting, is not a personal self, but a mysterious unknowable universal observer and experiencer – and this, paradoxically, is what gives rise to the illusion of a self. When we release our habitual personalisation of Consciousness and recognise that Consciousness is better thought of as the space in which everything is happening, we naturally begin to release our identifications with the perceiving and decision-making processes that were previously taken as evidence of a self.

Similarly, the will is not personal. Everything is happening on its own - all motivations are impersonal and universal, and ultimately inseparable from the field of Consciousness. Our apparent sense of a personal will, or of personal needs, is just an identification with volitional energies that are actually non-personal.

Question 3: How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

For the last few years I have been practicing a form of the Zen ‘just sitting’, where I just rest ‘as’ the ‘empty’ non-personal Consciousness and notice the multidimensional, spacious, and intangible way in which that Consciousness finds embodiment. I find that the feeling tone of this sense of Presence is of appreciation, ease, contentment, and aliveness.

The LU dialogue process has heightened and broadened this felt experience, and appears to have expanded it much more into my interpersonal life. In recent weeks, when called upon to describe my experience, I notice that I am mostly bearing witness to the appreciative, empathetic and embracing quality of Presence – its kindness, love, and compassionate responsiveness; and its wish to connect.

Question 4: What was the last bit that pushed you over?

The release of self-view has caused a subtle disinhibition process in which old psychological patterning has unravelled. While there is a sense that that the healing continues, it appears to have generally become a very quiet, and restful process. It is difficult to identify the most significant turning point, but for me the recognition of the way that human needs arise from the presence of universal non-personal energies has been very profound. I repeatedly find that where there were previously anxious experiences of lack, that would have strongly affirmed a sense of seIf, I instead discover a paradoxical inner completeness, and the presence of non-personal life energies that are evolutionary, beneficial, and compassionate.

This has profoundly changed the way I think about life, and experience feeling processes. It has also changed my experience of the physical body. There is a new sense of ease, flow, spontaneity, vitality, and a relaxed, appreciative, body-awareness – and this is experienced concurrently with a very keen awareness of my vulnerability and mortality as a human being.

Question 5: Please describe decision, intention, free-will, choice, and control. What makes things happen? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.


Whether we are still within the self-illusion or not, judgments are made by a combination of logical, or thinking-based approaches to decision-making, or feeling-based evaluative or processes, based on conscious or unconscious memory. If we personalise our experience, the illusion of egoic decision-making then becomes an illusion of egoic intention, and this in turn becomes the illusion of egoic action and control, through our belief in a personal will.

When we release the personalising idea that there is a personal will, the impersonal volitional processes continue, but they transform, and those that remain no longer have an egoic character – the drive for egoic control releases; there is a capacity to let everything be as it is; and to rest in a sense of appreciation and uncaused happiness. As before, everything is happening on its own, but there is an emergence of qualities of relaxation, balance, empathy and self-empathy – so seeing through self-view leads to a natural ethics and spontaneous compassionate engagement.

The question of responsibility is a tricky one. Within the egoic illusion, people will often deny responsibility for situations and processes that were caused by their actions. This denial of responsibility serves to protect the self-image, and may take the form of either dishonesty or self-delusion. Ultimately however, there are no ‘persons’ to which responsibility can be attributed, and those who see through the illusion of self-view, recognise that all their previous actions were conditioned. For example, in my own experience I have experienced processes of grief, remorse and regret as I reflect back over my life, but there is no guilt – at least not the emotion of guilt as it usually experienced and understood. While we may come to see very clearly how our patterns of thinking and behaviour have caused harm and are strongly motivated to change, we can recognise that, from the absolute perspective we were not responsible.

Question 6: Anything to add?

I am happy to leave that last question blank. I may come up with some additional reflections - but nothing at present.

Once again wishing you health and ease. It sounds like that food delivery job is one of the best jobs you could have at this time. At least you get be out and about and still earning while others are losing their jobs or stuck at home. I guess you need to take care though. I hope that is going ok.

Much love to you and yours,

Will
Hi Will,

Apologies & Wonderful Work my Friend!!! I had to take Time on This because Life had me a little Distracted for lack of Words Lol !¿!
I'm sending this off too The Confirmation Team & See If anything needs more Clarification ?!? / !?! The only Thing that I See coming from the Confirmation Team maybe is it's a Little Detailed & intellectual, However I also noticed You're mentioning How Impersonal This All IS !?! So We'll wait & See what they See & Go from there ?!? Sending Much Love ImageImageImageImageImageImage

Yes Thank You, Very Lucky Fortunate & Blessed for Things Too Be Happening as Well for me & at the same time Stress Frustration Tears & Sadness & !!! /???
Ok Will talk Soon & Sending Peace Love Life & Laughter ImageImageImageImageImageImage



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I'm not Sure if The Confirmation Team has gotten a hold of You but You've made It Through The Gate my Friend ImageImageImage
It's Been an Absolute Pleasure to have Been Your Guide & if Ever You need too talk Please message me Here or WhatsApp !!! Sending much Love Yours Truly Stafford ImageImageImageImageImageImage

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