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[Cam-RT]

Good Afternoon Ali...

The trippy thing to realize too is that no one else has a self either. We are just energy moving and flowing.

Yup! It's sad sometimes seeing those that are still asleep, some appear to function almost "robotic-ally" where others just look Sooo miserable...It makes me wish that I could go up to them and shake them and say "WAKE UP! this is IT! life is short!"... But then I'd probably get punched... ;^)

I felt happy just to go with the flow of life.

You know that old kids song "Row, Row, Row your boat'?"
It's funny but, when you break it up and look, it points to "This" a lot...

Something was realized a while back with my son. He is a year old now, and watching him grow has shown me just what you are talking about. He has no self that is directing or controlling his growth and development. It is all happening in its own very naturally.

Yes, it's wonderful to see the looks on their faces :^) This reminded me of where Eckhart Tolle mentioned that once a child is told, to call a tree or a bird by it's "label or name", it takes away from the wonder and meaning that it holds for the child, then later he say's to tell children "They" call it a tree. But I'm not sure it's that simple as time go's on...

I feel like I see it. Language is a funny thing. It brought us into an illusion and it seems like it's also the tool to get out of the illusion.

Great!... Jed Mckenna said, it's a like unlearning what is learned...

To use words to describe life is to walk backwards away from the gate...?

It's is hard to explain to people in a "nut shell" what this is! "Jed" referred to this as "human adulthood" where
remaining asleep is to remain within the well,... The "childhood or fantasy state"

Once it's seen it can't be unseen...So then do you any any more questions for me? It seems that your ready for Confirmation...Let me know when you're ready and I'll give you some questions for the other guides to look at and see if we're done here :^)

[Morningsunshine]

Hi Cam,

Sure, I guess we could move on. I'll miss reporting back to you what I found when I looked for my "self"! :) it was fun! What happens next? I do have some fear I will somehow lose this... Also, what is the "after care" you mentioned?

So just to go over things? There was the seeing that there is no self, and one else has a self. There is nothing to take personally because there is no person making offense and no person or self that gets offended. We are life happening, moving and flowing. There is only living and being. Anything else is just mind created stuff that distracts us from seeing what we really are which is present moment life energy. And this energy is who we really are. It's me, you, everyone and everything. That seems like it right? The feeling of having been lying to myself this whole time feels a little bad. I made up a lot of stories about myself and others and suffered over them and was wrong the whole time? Eek!

I was hoping to see the whole "no separation" thing more clearly, not sure if I do... So since we are all the same energy flow, there is really no separation between anything, is this what is meant by that? Since this life force is within us, is us, and is everything then there is no real distinction between things or each other. We are all the same continuous flow of energy... Just on the surface there seems to be boundaries or distinctions. ?

Before I spoke of something that I sensed that has no characteristics but has been the only constant thing in my life ... I used to think this was beyond the world "I" am in, and that we are all stuck in this physical realm unable to access this divine energy until we deserve it in some way, or by grace. Now I unerstand that this world is not anywhere but here. It was never far away it was always right here. There is no separation between the divine and this world. It's all the same energy! We all share the same phone line! :)
It's just some crazy idea that "I" was a real thing that kept me from getting on that phone line. Ok now I'm babbling.

Thank you so much for all of your help Cam! :)

[Cam-RT]

Good Evening Ali...

it was fun! What happens next? I do have some fear I will somehow lose this... Also, what is the "after care" you mentioned?

Yes it is! Fun to Watch all that I guide see through the illusion, and hey friend me on facebook (If you do that sort of thing.) and we can add you to the various groups referring to the "After Care" and discussions there in! Our community is ever growing around the world we embrace all who have seen 'The Truth".....Once this is seen it can't be unseen.
"Further" is the key word here when it comes to the truth. Challenge everything! ;^) You have the tools at your disposal and your body to help guide you...And once confirmed you'll soon see the support is out there to turn to in times of need.

And this energy is who we really are. It's me, you, everyone and everything. That seems like it right?

We are one...Yes. Even those that are asleep, they just refuse to see!

The feeling of having been lying to myself this whole time feels a little bad. I made up a lot of stories about myself and others and suffered over them and was wrong the whole time? Eek!

More Like, clouded in a "Vail" of thoughts and beliefs...

So since we are all the same energy flow, there is really no separation between anything, is this what is meant by that?

Yup!...Just life! it seems to easy huh? Looking back I just shake my head in amazement that I went to such extremes and almost took my own life in this quest!<---Ya, It got kinda scary and I was almost committed for 72hr. evaluation because I scared my loved ones so badly, and couldn't explain fully what "IT" was that had me so worked up!...I blogged this horrid night. (the link is at the bottom of this reply of you're curious...the blogs containing this is "who is I??" and "The "I" must die.") Ya, it seems like all my life things never came easy, which after this REALLY WAS ALL IN MY HEAD! ;^) ha ha!

Just on the surface there seems to be boundaries or distinctions. ?

Here you lost me...Can you elaborate on this?

I used to think this was beyond the world "I" am in, and that we are all stuck in this physical realm unable to access this divine energy until we deserve it in some way, or by grace.

Ya, and the whole time "IT" was within you just waiting to be seen, through all those thoughts clouding the view! Religion really has screwed up the message that's been handed down, it's so convoluted and broken up, that the truth that is meant to help people find this 'Truth" is being used against them for the good of the church or temple. It all boils down to "Institutionalized Denial" one Religion say's be good go to heaven, and the other say's achieve perfection and reincarnate...BOTH are beliefs. I'm not here to bash them, I've gone that route and it went "nowhere" so now I'm anti-theist. I just think that religion is unnecessary...

Sorry, let's get back to getting you Confirmed!! :^) Okay, please answer the following questions (when ready) and feel free to elaborate as much as you see fit on each question...

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

3) How does it feel to see this?

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

[Morningsunshine]

Hi Cam,

Yes I will definitely friend you on Fb. And I'd love to meet others who get this, since there aren't a lot of people I can talk with when it comes to this stuff.

What I meant by surface "boundaries or distinctions" can seem real is something like this analogy- say we all wear clothes made of cotton fabric which comes from the same cotton plants, but the dying of the fabric with different colors and the sewing, the patterns, etc make the clothes seem like they're different but it's all the same fabric. There is no real difference between the clothes. We are the fabric and the clothes.

Ok here are the answers:

1) Is there a "me" at all anywhere, in any shape or form, was there ever?

When I look for a "me" it cannot be found, so no. There are still feelings and thoughts that come up ...and with language claim to be something that thinks or feels things, but when I trace these back and ask who or what is there, there is nothing. There is only here.
No one else has a self either! There is no self to feel offended by anyone (there is just the illusion you have a self to hurt). And the thoughts about others were never true. All just made up stories.
There never was a me. I never did anything because there was never a "me" to do any of it.


2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts, how it works:
The illusion of separate self is the false idea or belief that the "self " is a real entity in time and space, and that other people have real selves also. It starts in childhood once parents and teachers teach kids possessive words like "I" "me" "mine"...we learn to think we can actually possess something like a mind and a self, and that these things interact with and can control the environment they are seemingly "in". (How do we teach our children this is not the way?? Raising a little boy, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated:). Believing you are a self by definition separates you from everyone and everything else.

3) How does it feel to see this?

I have gone through many emotions. Shock, surprise. Relief. I feel like I can rest now. But also slightly afraid I might lose my resting spot somehow. Also a little angry that I was duped by this illusion. Locating the feeling in my body and challenging the thoughts there has helped tremendously when working with feelings. Was there ever a me to waste time or be duped???

4) How would I describe it to someone who never heard about this illusion?

I really have no clue on this one. When talking with my husband who has no curiosity or interest in this at all, I ask: when you think of your "self" what do you think that IS exactly? This gets me nowhere with him. The desire to see is important. I would assume it would be easier with folks who want to see the truth opposed to those who are content with the illusion? Direct experience is key in seeing that the something you thought was real, isn't. Using words to guide someone is necessary but they have to walk through their own illusion.

5) What was the last bit that pushed me over the edge and made me look?

All of the exercises are so helpful! Finding a negative thought in the body and seeing who/what was there really showed me the illusion first hand. I will continue to use this one daily. Also the writing exercise Really helped. The experience of writing/typing/noticing etc felt so much more alive, vibrant, real and natural when there wasn't an "I". So this started the push... Then you suggested that I go through my day without a self controlling anything and see what happens (or something like that)...I think this was the final straw. I saw first hand how happy the experience of living was without mental commentary about my self "having experiences". There was a natural joy in just being alive. Being life. Nothing had to be done. Nothing was needed. So since then I can't imagine going back to the old way of "self"ing everything. Yay! :)