Awakent

[Verananda]

Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is a body? No
or only thoughts suggests it is a body? Yes

Yes

but what is about stomach, torso, chest?
is this thought or experience?

Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is a stomach, torso, chest, ....?

[Abner]

but what is about stomach, torso, chest?
is this thought or experience?
I can feel them...feeling is experience
One of the 5 senses

Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is a stomach, torso, chest
No it does not...but I know the area of each

[Verananda]

I can feel them...feeling is experience
One of the 5 senses

do you feel /sens the sensations?
or can you feel THEM (stomach, torso, chest)?


Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is a stomach, torso, chest
No it does not...but I know the area of each

knowing it would be thought not experience?

[Abner]

do you feel /sens the sensations?
It appears that way
or can you feel THEM (stomach, torso, chest)?
Can only feel sensations


Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is a stomach, torso, chest
No

[Verananda]

so then answer again just from experience/sensation:

Is there an inside or an outside?
If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?


is inside / outside thought or experience?

[Abner]

Is there an inside or an outside?
If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?

I can feel the, tight, skin of my torso (outside)
I can feel my stomach, it appears to be below
my torso...sorry but that, appears, to be my experience

[Abner]

Good night
...Ab

[Verananda]

Hi Abner

new day, new look ... :-)

you said before:

do you feel /sens the sensations?
It appears that way
or can you feel THEM (stomach, torso, chest)?
Can only feel sensations
Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is a stomach, torso, chest
No

So how do you "know" from experience/sensation that there is skin, torso, stomach, inside, outside?
isn't this knowing thought?
is there realy more then sensation in experience?

Love Ve

[Abner]

Hi, Ve

So how do you "know" from experience/sensation that there is skin, torso, stomach, inside, outside?
With eyes closed it is based on past seeing
and past thought

isn't this knowing thought?
Yes
is there realy more then sensation in experience?
No...its all sensation

[Verananda]

ok
:-)

the tell me about time, yesterday, tomorrow - is it in any way a direct experience (=what can you see (colour/image), hear (sound), smell, taste, feel/sens) or is it thought?

[Abner]

Hi, Ve
This time I can answer with certanty:
I is all thought!!

[Verananda]

Ok, so then tell me about this I, me, seperat self....
How do you experience it?

[Abner]

Good morning (for you)


Ok, so then tell me about this I, me, seperat self....
How do you experience it?

I experience it in thought

[Verananda]

I experience it in thought

do you experience it
or is it a thought (content)
?

[Abner]

do you experience it
or is it a thought (content)

It is just a thought, but I am still, just a
little bit stuck on experience
Just a little...leaning much stronger
towards thought