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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Microcosmix » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:45 pm

Hi Vladi, yes there was some good introspection and some confusion. Whether the clear introspection "sticks" or was drug induced ,we'll have to see. Lets look at what you noticed thru direct experiencing, not opinion/labeling. Heres what I hear you saying;

1) You went in the mind. It was clear, there was no "me"
2) You labeled it as "ordinary" and didn't like it.
3) when you examined and looked for a "me" and it wasnt there, you decided this time, you DID like it.
4) You had an experience of a light rising and "everything feeling fine"...that its the "shit"!!!
5) You felt all your issues where gone, you were out of body and experienced a "new bigger self_experience". this didn't feel so much like 'your' issues.
6) You have doubts because you are tripped out and can't tell if anything is "real" ; ) or not. But you feel everything will be ok.

Are any of the above ,REAL or beliefs and expectations ? Please list which is which.

Also, how can "no-self" be a "bigger experience" than ME ? REAL or belief ?
I cant, answer this qustions. Im not even sure my self, now. Really. I cant do it, cant even make up my mind about what was what! :( Is it possible to move on from those?
And the no-sef felt bigger becuse i was not in the body but the body was in my experience...that sensation of being, that tingeling feeling felt expanded beyond the body.
Let's also try a little different approach. Read what you wrote me, take your time. Look at everything closely. Of what you wrote, what remains when you remove any ,"story of Vladi and his drug use and quest for enlightenment" ? What has no story attached to it , no labels, judgements ,opinion, expectation. What just IS , in the "raw" moment.

Take your time. Look very closely. Tell me what is noticed .
Ok, this is moving on :)

Everything else remains, If the story of me is removed nothing changes in reality. Al is the same. House, computer screen, feelings of sitting. Memory of what happende comes up.

Thats it.


Have a nice weekend, vladi.

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Rita Friedman » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:47 pm

Not what I was looking for but I'll TAKE it,lol ! The key word in your answer is , REALITY. If that is REALITY, what is everything else ?

Is there an "I" anywhere in the direct experience of REALITY ? Does ,what is looking out , need an "I" to see ? Can you find it ?

Good work ; ) take your time on the answer. Look for it in the same place you found the above answer ; ))


Have a good wkend as well ! Love Rita

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Microcosmix » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:20 pm

No, not an actual I, what would an I be im thinking. But then again, I cant shake this "knowing" that im here as soon as focus from the raw moment stops.
I cant answer if reality needs an I, and I dont know if that which sees needs an I..I mean the belife is that its me looking...but how do i know thats true? I dont know.. It just seems naturaly true...

Ummm Im totaly lost, i dont know what im lookig for. :/

What im I supposed to see...

Im getting the feeling im just wasting ur time Rita.. :(

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Rita Friedman » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:21 pm

Good work.

Ok, let's look and NO you are not wasting my time. That's YOUR issue, NOT mine ; ))

The, "knowing that I'm here" , is that an assumption or REALITY ? If there was an I that really was there, why can't it also control the thoughts ? Or does the thought appear first and then the mind attaches to it with the "story of an "I" ?

"Everything else remains, if the story of me is removed, nothing changes in reality. All is the same, house, computer screen, feelings of sitting."
This is TRUTH/REALITY

Reality is direct experience with the 5 senses. Do the eyes need an ,"I" to see ? Does the body need an "I" to function ? Does the heart need an, "I" to beat ? // LOOK


What if I said to you that there is NO Vladi and there never was. The "story of Vladi" is illusion. It exists ONLY in the mind. All humans develop a "story" from the time they are about 3 yrs old and thru out life ,that they say is "them" . Its NOT real. How does that make you feel ? Is that scary ?


You're doing great. Don't start spinning the story about poor Vladi. Stay with it. Much love, Rita

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Microcosmix » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:16 am

Ok, let's look and NO you are not wasting my time. That's YOUR issue, NOT mine ; ))
Ok, cool. :)
The, "knowing that I'm here" , is that an assumption or REALITY ? If there was an I that really was there, why can't it also control the thoughts ? Or does the thought appear first and then the mind attaches to it with the "story of an "I" ?
Its, not reality, so its an assumption. Still cant shake ti thou. Its kind of grounded in experience.
"Everything else remains, if the story of me is removed, nothing changes in reality. All is the same, house, computer screen, feelings of sitting."
This is TRUTH/REALITY
Copy that, this is clear.
What if I said to you that there is NO Vladi and there never was. The "story of Vladi" is illusion. It exists ONLY in the mind. All humans develop a "story" from the time they are about 3 yrs old and thru out life ,that they say is "them" . Its NOT real. How does that make you feel ? Is that scary ?
No, not scary, its great! Reality is not a problem, story is. Nothing to suffer from is story is illusion! Only thougt gives rise to suffering...

I understand it al, but cant see it and dont have it in expierence...I can see the story and when i catch it spinning the tale I can detach from it and it stops, the problem i guess is that I get cought in it more often then not :/

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Microcosmix » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:18 am

Reality is direct experience with the 5 senses. Do the eyes need an ,"I" to see ? Does the body need an "I" to function ? Does the heart need an, "I" to beat ? // LOOK
No, becuse before 3 years we dont have an I and we survive just fine..If i was needed for it al children would not live to see 3 years or the begining of an I.

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Rita Friedman » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:31 pm

"reality is not a problem, story is" // TRUTH. Then let go of the story. The way out of suffering is simply to surrender.


"I understand it all, but don't have it from experience. I can see the story and when I catch it spinning the tale , I can detach from it and it stops"//

THAT IS the experience of it. You see the story, you catch it spinning the tale, you detach ,it STOPS !!!
That's AWAKENING/AWARENESS you just described. NOT what you thought I'd be ,lol ? I told you this is not a magic fix and all of a sudden ,POOF ! no more worries ,struggles ,etc. But what you describes is the path to ultimately releasing ALL of it , thru surrendering to that. It's THAT simple.

How does that make you feel ?

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Microcosmix » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:43 pm

Huh? Really? So that thing is it! Beeing able to detach from a story is IT.
How does that make you feel ?
Wow, Im must say im really dissapointed! Ive known this for a long time. I was really looking for a "pooof" and some euforic feeling :/
Or, a big AHAAAA... And I know u said it wouldn´t fix enything but i was still hoping it would. I mean it does help knowing this, it helps alot but I really thought there was moore.

And theres is no silent mind at the end of it, just no belif in mind? Thats how I see it.

And just to continue spotting storyies for what they are, gives more freedom?

I cant belive that thats it :(

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Microcosmix » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:48 pm

As i said, i know this, but the problem is I get cought in storyes still manytimes and so i thought that there was moore. A way for the story to stop entirely.

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Microcosmix » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:50 pm

The way out of suffering is simply to surrender.
What exactly does surrender mean?

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Rita Friedman » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:27 am

Lol ! First things first;
Seeing thru IS a pretty significant thing ; )) you must first be able to accept that it's ALL a story to let it go.
Second, a silent mind is an ultimate result of systematic release of the energy in the story as it is seen thru. So it does come to that.
Third the story will end when you no longer believe it and no longer engage it.
Surrender, is release of the need to control LIFE, in recognition that LIFE unfolds whether( you/Vladi ) are there to control it or not.

Seeing thru the story is a TOOL for release of the story, no more no less. As it is seen thru, freedom from the story is available. Therein lies YOUR freedom.

How does all this make you feel ? Take your time . Look very deeply and speak fom the heart. ; )) love Rita

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Rita Friedman » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:59 am

On another note, I would like to point out that seeing thru the story will ultimately allow you to release your need for drugs and alcohol as a coping mechanism. It is a more powerful tool than you know. ; ))

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Microcosmix » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:22 pm

Lol ! First things first;
Seeing thru IS a pretty significant thing ; )) you must first be able to accept that it's ALL a story to let it go.
Second, a silent mind is an ultimate result of systematic release of the energy in the story as it is seen thru. So it does come to that.
Third the story will end when you no longer believe it and no longer engage it.
Surrender, is release of the need to control LIFE, in recognition that LIFE unfolds whether( you/Vladi ) are there to control it or not.

Seeing thru the story is a TOOL for release of the story, no more no less. As it is seen thru, freedom from the story is available. Therein lies YOUR freedom.

How does all this make you feel ? Take your time . Look very deeply and speak fom the heart. ; )) love Rita
I feel like i can look at the story and accept that its a story, but it still remains in the background. I just dont suffer from it activly other then for a short period of time. Al u say makes sense, but I still think im missing a piece. Thats my feeling. Its more like im telling my self that its a story :/

It works to an extent. But its not IT i think. Or if that is the truth, I have to work at beeing present so i dont get cought in thought... But my feeling still is im missing something, i dont know if thats just a belife or truth.

Much love Vladi




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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Rita Friedman » Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:42 pm

The feeling that you're missing something is still attached to the thought and expectation of some grandiose experience you thought Awakening would be. Is that reality or a belief ?
This is much the same as believing in Santa or the Easter bunny. When you believed in them ,they seemed completely real . But once you know they're not real, can you ever again believe in them ? This is the same.

And yes, just because you recognize the story doesn't mean you don't have to work at being present ,lol ! They call it "work" for a reason ; ))

I'd like you to sit quietly, go inside and look. Keep looking . Is there a ME in the NOW moment anywhere ? What is looking out ?

Much love, Rita

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Re: If you think you can take the TRUTH, start here !

Postby Rita Friedman » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:55 pm

"but my feeling is still i am missing something.,I don't know if that's just a belief or truth"

The big question is...are you willing to NOT know ? To float free ,release ALL percieved control ,and just BE in the direct experience of NOW ?

What comes up for you with that question ? Be honest.


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