I want to see what is true

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Re: I want to see what is true

Postby Lagrange901 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:49 pm

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?
No, there is/was only a thought about a separate self.
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of self is only a habit of thinking, based on the belief that there is a person at the center of life. A certain event or action takes place, and a thought comes up about "me" doing it, but it's only a thought, other than what is seen there is no true self being perceived outside of thought.
How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels like liberation from a lie that I've been telling myself for too long, and it feels very normal, like it was always obvious but overlooked.
What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
"We are not searching for a better explanation of the self, we are looking for an experience of self", This is what made me stop and look, and seeing that mental confusion I realized that there was just that and nothing more to it, nothing more than thoughts.
a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.
Decision is a thought coming after an action telling that someone ("myself") has done it, just a chain of thoughts.
Intention is the same, a thought about a future action with other thoughts coming on top.
Free will is an idea about a self being able to decide what actions to take, but that is still a thought based on the existence of this "self", which I cannot find or see.
Choice/Control are the same as every other concept, they are actions which I believe I can act upon, but when I look I don't see such concepts, they are present only in imagination, if I am somebody and I have control, I should at least be able to control my senses, but I don't, I don't control anything because I'm not something separate from the rest of my experience.
I'm not even deciding what words to type, words are just coming out, and it is the same with everything, when the belief of control disappears, it can be seen that life is unfolding on it's own.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.
I'm either responsible for everything, or responsible for nothing, it depends on the persective, but to be responsible there must be something which causes things to happen.
I'm responsible for my own inquiry, but the realization did not happen because I wanted it to happen or because I was there to decide, it just happened.

Anything to add?
Thank you for the guidance.

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Re: I want to see what is true

Postby forgetmenot » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:13 pm

Hello Anders,

Thank you for your responses. I am going to get a couple of other guides to have a look at your thread to make sure that everything has been covered and that my pointing has been clear. They may or may not have further questions for you. I will let you know as soon as I know.

Love, Kay
Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.

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Re: I want to see what is true

Postby forgetmenot » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:56 pm

Hello Anders,

There is a question for you.
It feels like liberation from a lie that I've been telling myself for too long, and it feels very normal, like it was always obvious but overlooked.
Could you please ask him if he means this has been a shift in conceptual understanding? Is there a shift in feeling?

Love, Kay
Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.

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Re: I want to see what is true

Postby Lagrange901 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:41 pm

Hello Anders,

There is a question for you.
It feels like liberation from a lie that I've been telling myself for too long, and it feels very normal, like it was always obvious but overlooked.
Could you please ask him if he means this has been a shift in conceptual understanding? Is there a shift in feeling?

Love, Kay
It's very hard to describe... the liberation from the lie does not feel like a conceptual understanding, it's not a thought, it's a feeling, it's a way of living life.
I'm forced to think conceptually to answer those questions,
Liberation feels light, it didn't add anything to life but it took a weight.

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Re: I want to see what is true

Postby forgetmenot » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:44 pm

Hello Anders,

Congratulations and welcome through the Gateless Gate! There are no further questions for you. It has been a pleasure to explore the concept of the separate self with you, and point the way. Thank you for being so open and willing to LOOK!

You will receive an email notification in the next day or so inviting you to join our aftercare groups on Facebook. If you don't receive an email notification, you can access your PM's from the forum once you have logged in. The PM also details other resources available to you. You will also notice that your forum name changes from green to blue indicating that you have had the realisation of there being no separate self.

You can contact me at any time if you have any questions etc, via the forums PM system, or via Facebook if you decide to join our groups there.

Love, Kay
Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.


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