Liberation

[Suzanne68]

2 you wrote:- When the illusion happens, the self starts to grasp onto the content of thoughts and concepts and gets lost in them, like a waking dream.

Where exactly is this illusory “I” exactly that “starts to grasp onto the content of thought and concepts and gets lost in them?

Q5 you wrote :- Awareness observes

Where exactly can this “awareness” be found that is observin

Hello,
Q2 I was answering this question and describing what the illusion of the separate self is:
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

So I’m referring to the « illusion «  and describing how it manifest in my own experience. There is no self to be found, illusory or in any other shape or form. However, when the mind is in a dream state, the illusion can feel real.

Q5 the awareness that observes is everywhere in everything.

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the awareness that observes is everywhere in everything.

Does a rock have awareness and observe ?
Where is this observer ?
Does observer really exist ?

[Suzanne68]

the awareness that observes is everywhere in everything.
Does a rock have awareness and observe ?
Where is this observer ?
Does observer really exist ?

Good question Adil and again, I can't see the observer and I don't know where it is located. There is no separate observer either, that would be another form of "me", another concept in the end. Now, about the rock... if there is no separation between all that exists, therefore there isn't an observer or awareness in each of us. It's all awareness. So the rock can't be observing from it's own side and neither can I. So observer does not exist. confusing...

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the awareness that observes is everywhere in everything.
Does a rock have awareness and observe ?
Where is this observer ?
Does observer really exist ?

Good question Adil and again, I can't see the observer and I don't know where it is located. There is no separate observer either, that would be another form of "me", another concept in the end. Now, about the rock... if there is no separation between all that exists, therefore there isn't an observer or awareness in each of us. It's all awareness. So the rock can't be observing from it's own side and neither can I. So observer does not exist. confusing...

Yes. As you see you can only say that "awareness observes" from thinking. It is only a thought.
As you said without going to any concept it is impossible to say this and all concepts are simply thoughts.
Can you see ?

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the awareness that observes is everywhere in everything.
Does a rock have awareness and observe ?
Where is this observer ?
Does observer really exist ?

Good question Adil and again, I can't see the observer and I don't know where it is located. There is no separate observer either, that would be another form of "me", another concept in the end. Now, about the rock... if there is no separation between all that exists, therefore there isn't an observer or awareness in each of us. It's all awareness. So the rock can't be observing from it's own side and neither can I. So observer does not exist. confusing...

Yes. As you see you can only say that "awareness observes" from thinking. It is only a thought.
As you said without going to any concept it is impossible to say this and all concepts are simply thoughts.
Can you see ?

and would you please tell more what is confusing ? Or any not clear fields for us to check more ?

[Suzanne68]

Yes. As you see you can only say that "awareness observes" from thinking. It is only a thought.
As you said without going to any concept it is impossible to say this and all concepts are simply thoughts.
Can you see ?
and would you please tell more what is confusing ? Or any not clear fields for us to check more ?

Hello again,
I see that we use concepts and thought to explain what awareness is and that is not direct experience. What I find confusing is that if awareness is concept and observation too
And there’s no controller of experience, that what is going on? Just life? And how do I align with this?
Thank you,
Suzanne

[adilerten]

Yes. As you see you can only say that "awareness observes" from thinking. It is only a thought.
As you said without going to any concept it is impossible to say this and all concepts are simply thoughts.
Can you see ?
and would you please tell more what is confusing ? Or any not clear fields for us to check more ?

Hello again,
I see that we use concepts and thought to explain what awareness is and that is not direct experience. What I find confusing is that if awareness is concept and observation too
And there’s no controller of experience, that what is going on? Just life? And how do I align with this?
Thank you,
Suzanne

There is no "i" to allign with this.
There never was a control or controller or a self and there was always concepts trying to explain what is..but there was aligning..
Looking for a meaning or purpose in life is absolutely nonsense.
Life is lifing and there are some thoughts asking "what's going on"

Are you that thoughts ?
What is observing or observer more than another thought saying this and that ?
Now you have seen that there is any kind of control or controller, doesn't life go on lifing ?

Or do you still think that things must be any diffent or there must be an explanation for all of these ?

[Suzanne68]

There is no "i" to allign with this.
There never was a control or controller or a self and there was always concepts trying to explain what is..but there was aligning..
Looking for a meaning or purpose in life is absolutely nonsense.
Life is lifing and there are some thoughts asking "what's going on"

Are you that thoughts ?
What is observing or observer more than another thought saying this and that ?
Now you have seen that there is any kind of control or controller, doesn't life go on lifing ?

Or do you still think that things must be any diffent or there must be an explanation for all of these ?

Hello and thank you for your clear answers.


there’s e is no "i" to allign with this.
There never was a control or controller or a self and there was always concepts trying to explain what is..but there was aligning..
What is meant by « but there was aligning ?
Meaning alignment is already there? I get it

Life is lifing and there are some thoughts asking "what's going on"

Are you that thoughts ? No iam not that thought.
That just pops into the mind.
What is observing or observer more than another thought saying this and that ? I see. Concepts to explain lifing. More thoughts.
Now you have seen that there is any kind of control or controller, doesn't life go on lifing? ABSOLUTELY! Life flows, no orchestrator to align with it,
There never was and never will be. That’s where suffering starts.
No more questions at this point,
Thank you
Metta
Suzanne

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There is no "i" to allign with this.
There never was a control or controller or a self and there was always concepts trying to explain what is..but there was aligning..
Looking for a meaning or purpose in life is absolutely nonsense.
Life is lifing and there are some thoughts asking "what's going on"

Are you that thoughts ?
What is observing or observer more than another thought saying this and that ?
Now you have seen that there is any kind of control or controller, doesn't life go on lifing ?

Or do you still think that things must be any diffent or there must be an explanation for all of these ?

Hello and thank you for your clear answers.


there’s e is no "i" to allign with this.
There never was a control or controller or a self and there was always concepts trying to explain what is..but there was aligning..
What is meant by « but there was aligning ?
Meaning alignment is already there? I get it

Life is lifing and there are some thoughts asking "what's going on"

Are you that thoughts ? No iam not that thought.
That just pops into the mind.
What is observing or observer more than another thought saying this and that ? I see. Concepts to explain lifing. More thoughts.
Now you have seen that there is any kind of control or controller, doesn't life go on lifing? ABSOLUTELY! Life flows, no orchestrator to align with it,
There never was and never will be. That’s where suffering starts.
No more questions at this point,
Thank you
Metta
Suzanne

Thank you for your answers Suzanne, yes i was meaning alignment ;)

There never was and never will be. That’s where suffering starts.

can you talk about this more please for me to understand where / how suffering starts ?

[Suzanne68]

There never was and never will be. That’s where suffering starts.
can you talk about this more please for me to understand where / how suffering starts ?

Hello,
I meant suffering appears when the illusion begins, when we believe that there’s a controller/owner of experience that can control life.
When the mind wants to alter the experience.
Metta,
MC

[adilerten]

ok i understans Suzanne
thank you

now can you answer this q5 again please..
thank you :)

5-Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

[Suzanne68]

Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Life flows simply, effortlessly. There’s no chooser, decision-maker, and controller. Things happen without any orchestrator/controller making them happen. They just do. Now that I see that there isn’t any "I" anywhere, there’s the realization that life goes on, no owner of experience, no “me” responsible for it. If I think a thought, even if the "I" doesn’t want to think the thought and rejects it, it is already is there. The experience is always there before thoughts or concepts about it come about.

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Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Life flows simply, effortlessly. There’s no chooser, decision-maker, and controller. Things happen without any orchestrator/controller making them happen. They just do. Now that I see that there isn’t any "I" anywhere, there’s the realization that life goes on, no owner of experience, no “me” responsible for it. If I think a thought, even if the "I" doesn’t want to think the thought and rejects it, it is already is there. The experience is always there before thoughts or concepts about it come about.

thank you for your answer Suzanne, i see that this is realized. Although i understand what you mean
But to be clear before your final answers will be looked by other guides, i would like to ask again:

even if the "I" doesn’t want to think the thought and rejects it, it is already is there. T

Is it "i" doesn't want to think or is it simply other thoughts saying this and that..
IS there any" I" operating anything ?
How can an unexisting "I" resist to something ?

[Suzanne68]

Qeven if the "I" doesn’t want to think the thought and rejects it, it is already is there. T
Is it "i" doesn't want to think or is it simply other thoughts saying this and that..
IS there any" I" operating anything ?
How can an unexisting "I" resist to something ?

Hello!
It is simply more thoughts. I see that. The unexisting I cannot do anything... resist control or choose. Clear.

[adilerten]

Thank you Suzanne,
I am sending you final questions for the last time to be answered,
Please answer them by being aware of the language also for not to be understood wrong :)

Thank you