Ready for a guide and to begin..

[kristin]

Hi Bill,

Sorry I could not get computer access last night however I did do the exercises you gave me;
Good that you're seeing this.
Let the fear come up. whatever comes, let it in.
Just look at it...even tif it is a fear.
Notice the fear comes as a result of what's being thought.
If its there, talk to the fear, welcome it. ask it what its trying to protect.
Allow it to be and look behind the fear.
Is there anything there, anything behind it?

This took some work - I think I have a number of fears in my life right now!! When I looked at the fear it seems to be a fear of loosing something or of being alone..I believe it is trying to protect the self. I felt a lot of resistance to looking at this fear. But when I finally was able to there seems to be nothing to it or behind it .. it is a thought of being afraid which I want to run from but when I look closely there is nothing there just a thought which provokes a feeling inside of me. This alone has always been enough to send me running for the hills! Kind of funny now when I am thinking about it.

Kristin - what is happening right in this moment?
With your 5 senses, what do you experience?
sights, sounds, taste, touch, sensations, smells....
even thoughts.. just list what is there.
don't draw any preconceived conclusions

.

In this very moment... ears are hearing a song on the radio and the sound of passing cars outsied the window. Eyes are reading as I type and scanning the room intermittently. Taste is the left over flavor of a cinamon candy in the mouth. Touch is the keys of my computer. The nose is smelling the concrete dust from the floor which was broken up in the basement of the house today. Thoughts -- interesting to pay attention to and write down the 5 senses which are always present but often not thought about.

[Bill]

This took some work - I think I have a number of fears in my life right now!! When I looked at the fear it seems to be a fear of loosing something or of being alone..I believe it is trying to protect the self. I felt a lot of resistance to looking at this fear. But when I finally was able to there seems to be nothing to it or behind it .. it is a thought of being afraid which I want to run from but when I look closely there is nothing there just a thought which provokes a feeling inside of me. This alone has always been enough to send me running for the hills! Kind of funny now when I am thinking about it.

I'm so glad you've found this out about the fear. Yes, I do think you're right.
I thought we had covered them earlier, but they have a way of staying hidden
to protect you and then show up later on..

In this case fear is your friend, It is trying to protect you... but Its not a fear of a real danger.
There are no snakes here. It wants to protect you from something imagined. something that
might happen. Something that might happen if you see this clearly. What are the possible consequences
if you were to totally give up identifying with your story?
Do you think you would become unmotivated and not able to take care of yourself?
Or something else?

In this very moment... ears are hearing a song on the radio and the sound of passing cars outsied the window. Eyes are reading as I type and scanning the room intermittently. Taste is the left over flavor of a cinamon candy in the mouth. Touch is the keys of my computer. The nose is smelling the concrete dust from the floor which was broken up in the basement of the house today. Thoughts -- interesting to pay attention to and write down the 5 senses which are always present but often not thought about.

Kristin, this is not deep. Its not a trick or something where LOOKING means something out of the ordinary. It's just LOOKING directly into your experience to see whether there's a 'you' doing the experiencing or if experience is just being experienced. Just like using your 5 senses above is so easy and basic we've almost overlooked them.

Is there really an I? Where would you look to find it?
If you LOOK, what is here right now?

[kristin]

Hi Billy,

In this case fear is your friend, It is trying to protect you... but Its not a fear of a real danger.
There are no snakes here. It wants to protect you from something imagined. something that
might happen. Something that might happen if you see this clearly. What are the possible consequences
if you were to totally give up identifying with your story?
Do you think you would become unmotivated and not able to take care of yourself?
Or something else?

It feels like there will be no one left to take care of me... that after there is no self there is a fear of being very lonely...I do not know how else to describe this but I believe this might be the root.. a fear of being completley alone..not sure how I can get past this one..

Is there really an I? Where would you look to find it?
If you LOOK, what is here right now?

I sit here and search for an I...I cannot see hear or feel this I.. yet there is a presence of sorts,,, is it just the mind or thoughts about the I coming in to the mind? Right now there is just the body and thoughts so this presence felt must also just be a thought..

[Bill]

In this case fear is your friend, It is trying to protect you... but Its not a fear of a real danger.
There are no snakes here. It wants to protect you from something imagined. something that
might happen. Something that might happen if you see this clearly. What are the possible consequences
if you were to totally give up identifying with your story?
Do you think you would become unmotivated and not able to take care of yourself?
Or something else?


It feels like there will be no one left to take care of me... that after there is no self there is a fear of being very lonely...I do not know how else to describe this but I believe this might be the root.. a fear of being completley alone..not sure how I can get past this one..

Kristin - look at the reality. there already is no one here. No I. No me.
Its not that we're alone.
There is no I to be alone.
Life is here. Lifeing..
We are already taken care of.
Look at this fear to see if there's anything 'real' that can be found. Its just a thought.

Is there really an I? Where would you look to find it?
If you LOOK, what is here right now?

I sit here and search for an I...I cannot see hear or feel this I.. yet there is a presence of sorts,,, is it just the mind or thoughts about the I coming in to the mind? Right now there is just the body and thoughts so this presence felt must also just be a thought..

There is a sense of self and its not a thought.
Pinch yourself. You feel it.
This is not an 'I'.

this is a piece by Jackson Peterson, when I saw it, it seemed like it was perfect for you right now.
Please sit with this today and write later your thoughts, feelings...

"The release into timeless freedom is not due to a change in inner or outer circumstances. It's simply the wisdom insight that what you are seeking is exactly your current experience. The mind says it cannot be this experience, it's supposed to be different, more open, a better mood, a profound insight. So this moment is rejected for a future, better moment of experience. Our mind is so full of expectations and concepts we miss the treasure that is already ours.

When it is realized that the ultimate experience is this moment just as it appears, the mind relaxes and recognizes Itself to be everything equally. How could already perfect awareness find a better condition? Awareness and experience are seen to be identical just as they are.

The search is over. The real miracle is seen to be ordinary life.The enlightenment project has come to an end. No longer is experience resisted or rejected. No longer is there hope for a better condition. The books on enlightenment can be put back on the shelf. All the future retreats can be cancelled. This new state cannot be lost because whatever inner or outer circumstance occurs, it's always still This."

[kristin]

Hi Bill,

I have spent a great deal of time Looking.. When I look at this fear there is nothing there at all... I believe you are right this fear is just another thought..It has not returned yet and I am hopeful that maybe it is gone!

Kristin - look at the reality. there already is no one here. No I. No me.
Its not that we're alone.
There is no I to be alone.
Life is here. Lifeing..
We are already taken care of.
Look at this fear to see if there's anything 'real' that can be found. Its just a thought.

I absoultely loved the piece by Jackson Peterson.. this resonated with me more than I expected. After reading this piece several times I have been able to really look at be present with in the moment.. it feels like something may have shifted. I need to sit with this a little longer I think.

The part that really hit home was;

[quote]"The mind says it cannot be this experience, it's supposed to be different, more open, a better mood, a profound insight. So this moment is rejected for a future, better moment of experience. Our mind is so full of expectations and concepts we miss the treasure that is already ours".[/quote]

This is so true for me... so now I am just sitting and looking at this very moment and it feels right. I will keep looking..

Thanks so much Bill.

[Bill]

I have spent a great deal of time Looking.. When I look at this fear there is nothing there at all... I believe you are right this fear is just another thought..It has not returned yet and I am hopeful that maybe it is gone!

yes, that is all it really takes is a good look to see that there is nothing there.
Not to say it will never come back.
But you can always take another look.

The part that really hit home was;

"The mind says it cannot be this experience, it's supposed to be different, more open, a better mood, a profound insight. So this moment is rejected for a future, better moment of experience. Our mind is so full of expectations and concepts we miss the treasure that is already ours".

This is so true for me... so now I am just sitting and looking at this very moment and it feels right. I will keep looking..

Kristin,
Just stay with the looking you are doing.
I can feel a shift in your writing also.

Can you tell, the gate is not a personality shift, but a perception shift?
Write more tomorrow after you've sit with this awhile.
Whatever is true for you right now.
I want to hear it!

[kristin]

Hi Bill,

Today has been a very busy day.. I seemed to go from one person and their crisis to the next...no time for a lunch even. That being said there is a comfortable calm around me at this time. Less worrying about the future or living inside my memories which is a favourite pass time!
What I can comment on is that I feel different when I am in nature right now.. it seems brighter and just more enjoyable.. I am really hopeful this will last because it feels amazing.

You asked;

Can you tell, the gate is not a personality shift, but a perception shift?

I can see tht the gate is 100 percent a shift in perception. It is not a personality shift at all- the personality will be unchanged.
I need more time than I have at this point to keep looking and enjoying the shift I have experienced this far.. I feel like I am on the cusp.. is it possible that this take time to unfold?

Thanks Bill.

[Bill]

Today has been a very busy day.. I seemed to go from one person and their crisis to the next...no time for a lunch even. That being said there is a comfortable calm around me at this time. Less worrying about the future or living inside my memories which is a favourite pass time!
What I can comment on is that I feel different when I am in nature right now.. it seems brighter and just more enjoyable.. I am really hopeful this will last because it feels amazing.

Beautiful. I can feel the change in your writing.
Yes, it really is just this moment. the past is gone.
Can you get the real truth of that now?... we've been
reading that kind of talk for ages...
But its so hard to get on a deep level until its seen.

Nature is amazing. Just sit and watch how everything flows..
How everything moves, wiggles, how the clouds flow.
All is one movement with us included in that for sure.

I can see tht the gate is 100 percent a shift in perception. It is not a personality shift at all- the personality will be unchanged.
I need more time than I have at this point to keep looking and enjoying the shift I have experienced this far.. I feel like I am on the cusp.. is it possible that this take time to unfold?

Just let go and let it be, as it is.
Trust that what you are, life, is unfolding perfectly.
You can't really unsee what's been seen.
The shift people feel can be anything from hardly noticable to profound.
All experience it a bit different.
But you should be able to tell the perception is different.
Like the vibrant colors you are seeing in nature.
You might find you are more 'here' with your patients.
And you might get some insights that are very profound. Or not.
This is really just the start of things, as more is revealed as you go along.
All the conditioning is still there and for most, things come up to be looked at.
Plenty of time for that... Enjoy right now.
If you've read some of the other threads, we have a really good support system
for aftercare on facebook. Several groups and a place for people to talk and do
further inquiry as it comes up for them..

If you think you're ready, I'd like to ask you the final questions.
Or if you'd like further inquiry here. That is fine.
Sit with it a day and let me know what you'd like.
And do report back what's going on for you..

[kristin]

Hi Billy,

I have spent the last few days just taking in all that has shifted since we first started speaking last month. I took the time to re-read our conversation a couple of times.
I know that much has changed for me and I am so very grateful for all your support and pointing!
Life carries on much the same as before the characters in the story are unchanged except there seems to be no need to personalize what is happening around me it is just happening.
I am enjoying where I am at right now and if you still think I am ready I would be happy to answer your final questions.

[Bill]

Kristin,

Glad to see you back. It's good to take the time away from here
and test this out to make sure its not some momentary high that's
going to disappear overnite.
Yes, I do think you are ready for the final questions.
I really like how you've taken your time and have
been honest about where you are at all times.

Give these a go, in your own words.
Take your time. Be thorough on each one.
Let me know if there's any question about them.


1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?

[kristin]

Hi Billy,

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?
The answer to this is no there is no me and there never was. The me I believed in for the past 40 years is an illusion. I am able to see this now and feel so much lighter as a result.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.
The illusion of seperate self begins as a toddler. We are conditioned to believe that we are seperate and that material belongings are ours or mine at a very young age. We are taught to label absoultely everything that we come into contact with. We are taught that we are seperate from everything and everyone- and this is all we know.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.
It feels liberating to see this!:) I feel an intense energy at times- but mostly there is a relief at this time. It just feels right somehow. There is no longer the need to judge the expereince of life. For me I think the shift is more subtle than for others.. that being said there is is a peaceful easy feeling- even in the midst of crisis- everything is going to be just fine.

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.
I would describe it as lightening your load!! If you want to travel lighter through life this is the way to do so. Get rid of the "I" and somehow everything is just easier and lighter.


5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?
I think the moment that really helped to solidify it for me was when you shared the quote from Jackson Peterson that it really struck a deep cord;
"The mind says it cannot be this experience, it's supposed to be different, more open, a better mood, a profound insight. So this moment is rejected for a future, better moment of experience. Our mind is so full of expectations and concepts we miss the treasure that is already ours".
I realized that the the mind, (my Mind Lol), was doing exactly this and the journey could go on and on in circles I could chase my own tail forever! This was funny and sobering all at once. There were many other moments as well but this one really pulled my experience into perspective for me.

For me this feels like a beginning like a space has been opened and I need to go in now and see what else will unfold.
Many thanks Billy!! x

[Bill]

Thanks Kristin,
I want to go ahead and have the other guides look at this.
Could you expand a bit more on question #4.
Look at describing the whole process here. Not in excruciating detail
but a description of what this is all about. In your words.
Thanks and will have them look when this is responded to.

Bill

[kristin]

Okay Bill I will try to explain this question a little further- it is really hard to find the words to do this in a way that makes sense...

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.


This process requires looking at what is absolutely real and what is not. You need to look and see if what we have been told by everyone since we were little is actually the true. You need to be able to consider that what you have believed to be 100% true is not and that there is no I. I is just another label. There is I in charge or directing your life-life is just happening all by itself. We are not our bodys or our thoughts- thoughts just happen and the entire story of I is really just another thought- when we look closely we can see what is true there is no I and there never was.

Thanks Bill.

[Bill]

Great job Kristin,

You've been confirmed by the other guides.
You're now blue in color on the forum.
I really like how you made steady progress and were able to verify all this
on your own...and took the time to do that.
You're right, this is just the first step.
More will be revealed...as they say.

I invite you to the FB Unleashed group, which is a form of aftercare and discussion.
There are a couple other FB groups we have for discussion that you also might be interested in.
And also there is guiding others should you choose to do that.
There's a bit more of the website available to you now.
Just poke around, you'll see it.

Here is a page now that you are blue on the forum to check out.
the first part of it concerns the closed facebook group

http://liberationunleashed.com/nation/v ... ?f=6&t=696

Lots of info there on all the groups, etc.
Let us know if there's anything more needed.
Look for you on Facebook Unleashed.

If there's any more questions, please ask.
I will leave this thread open for awhile.
It's been great working with you!

Namaste,
Bill