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Re: Confusion

Postby Atom » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:01 am

Yes....that’s is definitely one true statement. I want that “shift” in perception that supposedly feels like joy so that I can stop suffering inside. I look and see nothing and feel as though it cannot be understood one way or another but some seem to say that it can be seen. My eyes see nothing inside and the outside is filled with various things.

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Re: Confusion

Postby s-p-a-c-e » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:45 pm

Yes....that’s is definitely one true statement. I want that “shift” in perception that supposedly feels like joy so that I can stop suffering inside. I look and see nothing and feel as though it cannot be understood one way or another but some seem to say that it can be seen. My eyes see nothing inside and the outside is filled with various things.

Turn attention back onto the wanter of a shift.

What can you tell me about this wanter?

Thanks,
John
"The more he looked inside, the more Piglet wasn't there." - A.A.Milne

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Re: Confusion

Postby Atom » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:11 pm

The wanter is not there. There is no wanter, just wanting.
No one to want anything. There is no static “real” one to whom the wanting belongs.

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Re: Confusion

Postby s-p-a-c-e » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:51 pm

The wanter is not there. There is no wanter, just wanting.
No one to want anything. There is no static “real” one to whom the wanting belongs.

Yes - No wanter, no "Adam" wanting, just wanting.

Ok, let a smile bubble up.

Feel into this smile, the presence of it, the joy of it.
Does this smile need an "Adam" to press the smile button? :) No, you know that.

No, this smile - you better be smiling or there'll be trouble :) - is a feature of a natural unique you.
You smile, you eat, you talk, you think.

Back in the day, Buddha, rather than saying a load of words, just raised a white flower.

Just as a smile was raised.

Such as it is.

/john
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Re: Confusion

Postby Atom » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:02 pm

Lots of smiling and lots of peace. Your message made me laugh when you’d mentioned I’d better be smiling:) it’s as if you knew something had been seen. It just became so clear for the first time without thinking about it. It was just seen. What a freedom! I could no longer argue with or about something that was simply not seen and yet there is no even there to have seen anything different but yet it was seen as such that I or the wanter just was not there nor ever had been.

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Re: Confusion

Postby s-p-a-c-e » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:56 am

Lots of smiling and lots of peace. Your message made me laugh when you’d mentioned I’d better be smiling:) it’s as if you knew something had been seen. It just became so clear for the first time without thinking about it. It was just seen. What a freedom! I could no longer argue with or about something that was simply not seen and yet there is no even there to have seen anything different but yet it was seen as such that I or the wanter just was not there nor ever had been.

Hey Adam, may I encourage you to share what shows up, whatever that is, over these coming days.

best wishes, John
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Re: Confusion

Postby Atom » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:58 am

Hey John, I hope you are well. So far, the last few days have been hard to describe so I will do my best. I’d say that so far most of what is felt and seen, feels most to me like movement. Things are in constant motion through experience. There are emotions, thoughts, feelings and even occasionally a feeling of a “me”. Spontaneously arising movement of whatever comes feels most accurate. As for the feeling of “me”, it almost feels more like an old memory or reminiscence of what was there before only now there is no one, just the spontaneous arising of whatever is there. Dang I am running out of ways that sound correct in describing experience. I feel that everything I just typed sounds foolish and untrue. The actuality of it seems to be escaping my attempts to describe what is seen and felt.

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Adam

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Re: Confusion

Postby Atom » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:28 am

Hey John, good morning! My day has started off with a feeling of lightness/good feelings in the physical body. I also had some kind of insights upon waking. There were far too many to describe but basically I am feeling a lack of concern for becoming anything or concern for whom I thought and felt myself to be. Again....language is a barrier in all of this.
Put another way I am just not there and no concern is present or holding onto whom I thought I was. I also feel a new feeling of connectedness but not in a Hokey sort of way that I would have previously imagined. Words are not working but there is a basically a predominant feeling of goodness/sweetness/peace and nothing to attribute it to. Many of the worries I had pertaining to the ideas and feelings about my current station in life have simply gone

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Re: Confusion

Postby s-p-a-c-e » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:01 pm

Hey John, good morning! My day has started off with a feeling of lightness/good feelings in the physical body. I also had some kind of insights upon waking. There were far too many to describe but basically I am feeling a lack of concern for becoming anything or concern for whom I thought and felt myself to be. Again....language is a barrier in all of this.
Put another way I am just not there and no concern is present or holding onto whom I thought I was. I also feel a new feeling of connectedness but not in a Hokey sort of way that I would have previously imagined. Words are not working but there is a basically a predominant feeling of goodness/sweetness/peace and nothing to attribute it to. Many of the worries I had pertaining to the ideas and feelings about my current station in life have simply gone

Hi Adam,

Thank you for sharing that. Our work together is done. Been an honour to walk along with you. :)

With much love,
John
"The more he looked inside, the more Piglet wasn't there." - A.A.Milne

Author, The Faun's Apprentice - see on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fauns-Apprenti ... B01AR2B63U

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Re: Confusion

Postby Atom » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:14 pm

Feeling slight sadness now, bittersweet emotions belonging to no one :) it’s the other way around as far as honor is concerned.
“You” have helped me more than I can say and I feel very grateful for it.
Thank you again for holding my hand ;)
Adam

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