Tellmewhoyouare

[TellmewhoIam]

Good afternoon Sarah,

Let's go onto touch.

What is your direct experience of this ‘table’? List your direct experience.

The touch of the table surface completely and totally emerges on its own, complete, independent. Some thoughts follow trying to label the temperature of the experience. The thoughts emerged automatically after the feeling.

Is it senses again? Is it thoughts again? Look very closely. Which comes first the senses or the thoughts?

It is raw sense, rich, fully complete. Some thoughts follow labeling some aspect of the experience.

Does the sensation of touching come with a shape, density, weight, size, colour, age or function?

No, the sensation is as is on its own. It does not have any other characteristic with it. It is now.

Does this sensation come with a ‘not me’ label or ‘other’ label? Is it one sensation/perception or two? Look at how thoughts try and take over, try and explain, try and prove. Notice your memories or references with which you compare the experience.

The sensation exists on its own, there is no "me" related information. It is now, on the very moment. It is one perception, on the very present. The mind slips out of the present moment and thoughts follow.

Sit with these sensations. Look at them. Look at the labelling e.g. table, hand. Look at the thoughts or story that attach at the end of this list if any. What is your direct experience of these words? Do they exist outside of thought?

Well, when the words are there, being intrinsic part of the thoughts, direct experience is not there. When words are there, present moment is lost.
Words do not exist outside of thought. Words are the building blocks of thoughts. Emotions come before thoughts. Emotions come before thoughts and thoughts arise immediately after to balance or neutralize the emotional load of the original emotion. Haha is funny to look at. We are basically halting our growth by not fully processing our emotional agenda.

Are they sensations again? Are they just thoughts again? Look very closely. Which comes first the sensation or the thoughts? Don’t pay attention to the thoughts just look at what they do, when they come in.

There are sensations, emotions that arise after the raw feeling, and thoughts follow.
The order seems to be > Sensation (touch) > emotion arises because of unmet expectation > thought arises to explain the emotion and neutralize it.

That means..even before touching the table, there was an expectation about the experience to come.
That brings me to consider Sarah, that maybe I have still not managed to drop all expectations. I have no idea if I need an intellectual understanding on how to drop expectations or if I need hours of practice on recognizing them and letting them go. Or to drop expectations about getting rid of all expectations :-S :-)

Today I noticed something surprising. There was a situation in which another person referred to "me" in a despective way. In the past I would have reacted quite energetically to that happening, but today it was totally not so, zero reaction. There was a situation in which, with no "me" existing, there was noone to be offended! It was lovely.

Sarah, I've read of sudden "gate crossings", but in my case it feels as if peeling an stinky onion.
Well, I guess that last sentence was some expectation rising up again. I'll take anything, as is, and be aware of no self as much as possible on my regular day.

I'm always grateful on your "pointing", although I suck a little bit as 'pupil'

Hugs,
Victor

[Sarah7]

Have fun!
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Sarah7]

Hey Victor
Ignore that last posting! Lol.

That brings me to consider Sarah, that maybe I have still not managed to drop all expectations. I have no idea if I need an intellectual understanding on how to drop expectations or if I need hours of practice on recognizing them and letting them go. Or to drop expectations about getting rid of all expectations

And

Sarah, I've read of sudden "gate crossings", but in my case it feels as if peeling an stinky onion.

There is much written about this BUT don’t forget it’s what IS experienced rather than what is thought to be experienced.
Whatever is written is another story. Having said that onion peeling was experienced here too. No sudden Big Bang.

Look for what wants to drop expectations too! Lol. Is that thought wanting to grasp again?

Today I noticed something surprising. There was a situation in which another person referred to "me" in a despective way. In the past I would have reacted quite energetically to that happening, but today it was totally not so, zero reaction. There was a situation in which, with no "me" existing, there was noone to be offended! It was lovely.

Lovely.

I'm always grateful on your "pointing", although I suck a little bit as 'pupil'

Lol.

Sit on a chair with your eyes closed. Feel the Direct Experience of sitting there. Notice thoughts thinking, labelling and explaining. Notice memory too. Notice sensations experiencing. Notice the sensation of bottom on chair – what is that – a thought? Notice the ‘me’ ‘mine labels e.g. this is my bottom – but look closely at that sensation labelling – is it yours, or just coming and going along with thoughts, ever changing. Is it the thought that wants to own? How many sensations do you notice? 2? One bottom sensation, and one chair sensation? How is that possible? Where does one sensation end and another begin? Locate that line. Can you feel that line? Or is that thought? Can you sense that line – or is that thought explaining the sensation?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

Good evening Sarah,

Yesterday night something wonderful happened. After the whole day being in the present and being aware of the raw input of the senses, I sitted quietly and continued facing, this time a short of rising feeling from the chest to the head took place. Some automatic resisting took place but I dived on the rest part of it, going through it.

And, "puf!" suddenly I had a really relaxing and energizing at the same time experience. I lost like "two kilos" of pressure on the forehead, I feel so relaxed now. Afterwards woke up at 5 fully energetic and started the day. SO AWESOME.

Being fully in the present with the raw input of my senses and letting reality flow is doing wonders!

This is marvellous, and noone is involved, life on itself no more no less.

Look for what wants to drop expectations too! Lol. Is that thought wanting to grasp again?

Haha no more expectations being attached! They appear naked on the screen of the experience and flatten as a punctured balloon. Fiuuuu

Sit on a chair with your eyes closed. Feel the Direct Experience of sitting there. Notice thoughts thinking, labelling and explaining. Notice memory too. Notice sensations experiencing.

:-D Being in direct experience is becoming my more desired state! More of the energy rising comes to meet me, but I'm here for it, for all of it :-D, it feels uncomfortable like hell but I love to do that! Give me more haha

Thoughts appear, and last there less time than it takes saying "got you!" :-)) Noone forces anything, they appear, are welcome, but are very fleeting visitors! No wonder, as they are made out of thin air haha

Memory is there, always was, is working as well as the nerve terminations on my fingers or the cone cells on my eyes. Actually the less control exerted to it, the more efficient it works! Wonderfulness. The more direct experience being is on, the more clear all is seen (not rhetorically, but everything is seen with more light), the better one hears, touches, everything! More direct experience please, one round of direct experience for everyone, is on the house! It does so much good, is life purging out all that is not.

Notice the sensation of bottom on chair – what is that – a thought?

A thought?? nono noo. At all. It is raw sensation. Actually there is no chair, what is chair? an empty concept, a label. Only the sensation of it exists, all sensations no more! Like sailing the sea, there is no ground to attach to, just water. So only sensations, raw inputs.

Notice the ‘me’ ‘mine labels e.g. this is my bottom – but look closely at that sensation labelling – is it yours, or just coming and going along with thoughts, ever changing.
Is it the thought that wants to own?

Yes it feels as an old program running after the awareness of the chair, labeling (if any) pops briefly and goes, like small smoke clouds that fuzzy briefly the raw input of sensations.
Not totally clear about the last question, only could say that thought wants nothing, is a little popping cloud, comes and goes, insignificant. And "owns"? That word feels so wrong as it requires an inexistent agent! Noone owns, what does that mean anyway? Zero.

How many sensations do you notice? 2?

One sensation only, not even botton not even chair, just single sensation, being.

One bottom sensation, and one chair sensation?

There is no bottom there is no chair. There is nothing to be. Just sensation and sensation of seeing these letters appearing after sensation of typing goes on and on. Sensations sensations.

How is that possible?

haha only a fictitious "self" could be the trigger of that question, but fictitious "self" of Victor is absent to answer that sorry! :-D

Where does one sensation end and another begin?

Only sensation of bottom on chair happening, it is, it is onee. What is bottom? no idea, there are only sensations of memories of sensations of bottom! What is chair? it doesn't exist aha.

Locate that line. Can you feel that line? Or is that thought? Can you sense that line – or is that thought explaining the sensation?

Well the raw sensations take place and if present moment of sensations is lost, then thoughts happen. There is a shift, a kidnapping of awareness, just old patterns running at random. Present moment awareness is all that there is, the continuum of sensations.
Present sensations, being all there is, are again on the present moment and life goes on.


Wonderful day Sarah, wonderful. Not all are pinks and wonders in life, but unloading the "self" passenger make the trip much lighter and interesting!

HUGS

Victor

[Sarah7]

Morning Victor

Being in direct experience is becoming my more desired state!

When are you NOT in direct experience?
Is there a grasping for this too? What stays the same? Anything?
What if this energy and excitement doesn’t come back again? Not trying to put a dampener on you! ;)

Eyes closed. Turn your attention to your skin. Do you have Direct Experience of it being outside?

What is our direct experience of the body? Is it the same as the idea we have about it? Do you see the whole or fragments that are collected together from memory to make a whole? And does that thought give us the impression of solidity, permanence and reality? Are the fragments ever seen without an aspect of the world – e.g. I am writing this in bed and I see my hands writing surrounded by duvet? As with the seeing exercise the total visual field – one seamless whole, made only of seeing. Is it thought that artificially divides? Is it as the TV screen, one seamless whole? From the point of view of the object – all items are separate, but what about from the point of view of the screen? Is anything separate or independent or is there just the screen?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

Hello Sarah,

When are you NOT in direct experience?

It was just a way to express that mistaking the ¨self¨ for something real is a huge handicap to the innate intelligence that gets things done without thinking.

Is there a grasping for this too? What stays the same? Anything?

Unfolding sensations are what stays, and no possible understanding is achieved here.

What if this energy and excitement doesn’t come back again? Not trying to put a dampener on you! ;)

Well, no expectations held, anything that comes is all there is, the good is good and the bad will be good as well. The clinging does happen to the bad and to the good as well, those are two sides of the same ¨ego virus".

Eyes closed. Turn your attention to your skin. Do you have Direct Experience of it being outside?
What is our direct experience of the body? Is it the same as the idea we have about it?

The called proprioception ef the skin is here, is sensation, is present and together with all else. No being outside, it just is. The body itself being a great source of sensation, as the rest of the senses, the feelings are there, being oneness in the present moment. The idea of the body is not the same of the body, it is just an idea, a mind incomplete attempt of late representation of a real sensation.

Do you see the whole or fragments that are collected together from memory to make a whole? And does that thought give us the impression of solidity, permanence and reality? Are the fragments ever seen without an aspect of the world – e.g. I am writing this in bed and I see my hands writing surrounded by duvet?

It is a whole, unified flat field of information. As with the vision sense, the information is sensed flat and immediately filtered and given spacial meaning by the filters of the mind. But the sense is One.
On performing this exercise, there is an appreciation of how the mind regulates the flow of sensory information almost immediately after coming from the senses.

There are no fragments seen without all the other input. Only thoughts might come later to try and replay what could be interpreted as separate fragments. But those are just thoughts, not reality.

As with the seeing exercise the total visual field – one seamless whole, made only of seeing. Is it thought that artificially divides? Is it as the TV screen, one seamless whole? From the point of view of the object – all items are separate, but what about from the point of view of the screen? Is anything separate or independent or is there just the screen?

Thought cannot divide the total visual field. The total visual field just is. Then thought, afterwards, might be automatically triggered. Thought as mind representation could show an artificially nonexistent object called memory.

Sarah I didn't understand the point of view part. There is no point of view, only viewing.

I wish you a good start of the week.

Hugs,
Victor

[TellmewhoIam]

Oh, sorry I left all text quoted on the previous reply.

[Sarah7]

Morning Victor
Point of view sentence, is as we have found just words. They are infinitely unhelpful in describing what is, yet we try! Lol.

those are two sides of the same ¨ego virus".

Is ego also part of what is?
Is there anything wanting it gone? If so what?

Stand in front of a bigger mirror.
First, close the eyes and feel the sensations in the body.
Then open the eyes and look into the mirror, while still pay attention to the bodily sensations.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations in the body and the sight in the mirror?
Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is any?
While still paying attention to the bodily sensations move one of the hands and observe the movement from the mirror.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations (in the hand) and sight of movement in the mirror?
Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations (in the hand) and sight of movement? Or only thoughts suggest it?
Now, pay attention only to the sight in the mirror.
Does the sight by itself suggest in any way that what is seen is ͚you͛ or ͚your body͛?
Does the sight itself suggest in any way that what is seen is a body at all?
Or there are only colours and shapes?
Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen.
Just by the sight, is there any ͚knowledge͛ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest it?
Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don͛t look directly to any body parts).
Is there a body anywhere when all mental concepts and images are ignored, or there are only sensations?
Start to walk slowly.
Is there a body walking anywhere, or there are only sensations?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

Good evening Sarah,

Hah, I was lately getting confused on our communications, as I felt we were running some sort of checklist here. A reminder was highly needed.
Snapped into looking, here we go:

Is ego also part of what is?
Is there anything wanting it gone? If so what?

Confusion arises. Don't know, don't know, don't know stream of worded thoughts follow. Seeing the question again, the anxious need to set a logical answer appears again. Don't know, don't know, don't know. Pressure on the forehead felt.

The pressure on the forehead is felt alien, same feeling as a foreign object in the body or a corrupted meal that has to be expelled out of this expression*.

*Expression as "being" feeling.

Pressure in the horehead increases, compassion thoughts arise, tears released.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations in the body and the sight in the mirror?

No connection at all. Right before opening the eyes some expectation of the view was active and when view appears, view were felt completely independent of expectation.

Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is any?

Exhaustion, that's what is felt. Mind feels exhausted as an excessively strained muscle. Eyelids feel heavy.
Need for outlying a logic answer appears again. Mind gives up, mind doesn't know. Compassion needed. Tears appear.

While still paying attention to the bodily sensations move one of the hands and observe the movement from the mirror.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations (in the hand) and sight of movement in the mirror?

Movement in mirror feels completely foreign to feeling. Being on sight makes body sensations out of focus. Focus goes back and forth. Frustration appears after judgment of no being able to follow instructions appear.

Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations (in the hand) and sight of movement? Or only thoughts suggest it?

Mind trying to get understanding of phenomena. Lack of connection of both inputs feels extremely distressing for the mind. Resistance is felt. Control needed.
Observing now the nature of the resistance. Mind wants to surrender. But grip/block appears. Swearing thoughts appear.
Questioning what is being resisted/protected? > Fear of being alone > Hug needed > Tears > Fear of dying.

Now, pay attention only to the sight in the mirror.
Does the sight by itself suggest in any way that what is seen is ͚you͛ or ͚your body͛?
Does the sight itself suggest in any way that what is seen is a body at all?
Or there are only colours and shapes?

Sight seen feels completely alien. Some judgemental thoughts appear. Some control is needed. Mind feels exhausted. Feeling of fear of damaging the mind with the whole process appears.
Need to outline a logic answer appears. Feeling as if a "string" is pulling down from a point between the eyes.

Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen.
Just by the sight, is there any ͚knowledge͛ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest it?

Mind confused. Feeling of fear at the thought that if I let the confusion to be released, I will fall on the floor after losing consciousness.
Now seated.
Sarah, it feels as if I have a Pitbull gripped hard on the middle of my forehead. I want that to be released, but again, "who" wants that? > Feelings of tiredness appear.

Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don͛t look directly to any body parts).
Is there a body anywhere when all mental concepts and images are ignored, or there are only sensations?

Uneasiness. It feels as if the whole body sensation is flowing beautifully, but except of a big fat blocking stone on the head. Frustration arises at the thought of how beautiful would it be to not have any stone there, or it be dissolved.

Some more logic going on.

Compassion appears and seems to dissolve a bit of the stone.

Thoughts that stone was formed during many years and it will take long to dissolve.

Start to walk slowly.
Is there a body walking anywhere, or there are only sensations?

Thought of only sensations appear. Some need of control appears. Pitbull grip felt. Fear of damaging heart if grip is released.



Thank you Sarah

Hugs,
Victor

[Sarah7]

Hey Victor

Hah, I was lately getting confused on our communications, as I felt we were running some sort of checklist here. A reminder was highly needed.

Sort of am! Lol! For a lot of these questions I’m trying to locate what you mean which is quite hard! So bear with me!

Confusion arises. Don't know, don't know, don't know stream of worded thoughts follow. Seeing the question again, the anxious need to set a logical answer appears again. Don't know, don't know, don't know. Pressure on the forehead felt.

You don’t need to answer stuff straight away. I kind of think of it as a reporting during or after noticing. Which you seem to be doing actually! But just in case here you weren’t!

Is thought afraid of not knowing? Have a look?

The pressure on the forehead is felt alien, same feeling as a foreign object in the body or a corrupted meal that has to be expelled out of this expression*.*Expression as "being" feeling.Pressure in the horehead increases, compassion thoughts arise, tears released.

Is any of this ‘yours’? Does it have to mean something? Does it need to be translated? Is it ‘what is’?

Exhaustion, that's what is felt. Mind feels exhausted as an excessively strained muscle. Eyelids feel heavy.
Need for outlying a logic answer appears again. Mind gives up, mind doesn't know. Compassion needed. Tears appear.

What is thought afraid of? Is there an expectation that thought ends? Do you think Buddha didn’t think? That thought is not needed?

Mind trying to get understanding of phenomena. Lack of connection of both inputs feels extremely distressing for the mind. Resistance is felt. Control needed. Observing now the nature of the resistance. Mind wants to surrender. But grip/block appears. Swearing thoughts appear. Questioning what is being resisted/protected? > Fear of being alone > Hug needed > Tears > Fear of dying.

Mind means thoughts? Or ego? Or ....?

Does thought think there will be no control anymore? Was there ever? What does thought actually control?
Is there a thought that nothing will happen? Nothing will get done without it? That thought is not needed?

Sarah, it feels as if I have a Pitbull gripped hard on the middle of my forehead. I want that to be released, but again, "who" wants that? > Feelings of tiredness appear.

Good question!

Frustration arises at the thought of how beautiful would it be to not have any stone there, or it be dissolved.

Is this thought story? Is thought translating frustration into this? A thought wanting a thought gone or to be disolved completely? That’s funny!
Hugs Sarah xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

Good evening Sarah,

It's a bliss that you're there.

This morning before getting out of bed, some reflection time happened. Nothing forced, just watching senses and thoughts and emotions unfolding on their own. It felt peaceful. Not peaceful because there was no suffering or no thoughts, but because there was no owner of them. It was a ground touching moment. Even though I wouldn't say the skies have opened or any of that sort, it was seeing that reality lost a manager.

Is thought afraid of not knowing? Have a look?

Some unmet expectations were trying to be lived up (knowing all answers, giving the best feedback). Just the mind doing its own thing as always. That phenomenology does not even trigger further reactions as before.

Is any of this ‘yours’? Does it have to mean something? Does it need to be translated? Is it ‘what is’?

No, there was no meaning behind. It was only writing down the unfolding phenomena. No need for interpretation or for hidden meaning or treasure hunting. There is enough horoscope fortune telling already :-)

What is thought afraid of? Is there an expectation that thought ends? Do you think Buddha didn’t think? That thought is not needed?

The expectation of "the wished end of the recursing thought" was running there. The thought was looping on itself and adding more of nothingness. But it is welcomed. And that welcoming was again another thought. haha who cares haha
Again no interpretations.

Mind means thoughts? Or ego? Or ....?

Mind, another emergent concept catched naked, pluf, vanished.

Does thought think there will be no control anymore? Was there ever? What does thought actually control?
Is there a thought that nothing will happen? Nothing will get done without it? That thought is not needed?

Just thoughts growing on top of each other like funghi. The emotions of resistance (to whatever) create pleenty of thought funghi. So much funghi one could open a funghi deli (or a blog! lol). And that was funghi thought as well :-)

Thoughts control nothing, nothing controls anything. Just the Victor construct getting some unpleasant emotions that are creating avoidance noise. It is like this, as it could not be any other way.

Is this thought story? Is thought translating frustration into this? A thought wanting a thought gone or to be disolved completely? That’s funny!

Haha, isn't it? This thought dance is like Pinky and the Brain:
https://sajunk.wordpress.com/tag/conquering-the-world/

So full of pretensions, and so empty. And there it was another thought for the collection. But again, who will keep that collection?

Many hugs,

Victor

[Sarah7]

Hey Victor
What are others in direct experience? Others in comparison to what? Is there still a belief that ͚you͛ Are in the body?
Can you find a self in other human bodies? How do you KNOW it͛s there? (Then there is the identification with the mind. Others could refer to other minds. If it is seen that I don't own a mind then how can others own their minds?)
Is there an inside and an outside of the body? What about the other objects (nature, animals, people)? Is there a "you" that feels separated from them or is that just another thought/concept?
Does the sense of self appears simultaneously with the resistance to what is? Use the interaction with others to notice how the interactions with different people triggers different responses. Notice that "you" are not the person who suffer but "you" arises simultaneously with the struggle/resistance that generates the suffering. Every interaction with "others" can be an opportunity to notice that.
Is there a physical self-contained within/as other bodies? Go sit in a park or somewhere where there is a mixture of people and other living objects like birds trees- also non-'living' rocks water moving, wind etc. Then looking at if there was a self in that image/colours/movement (of rocks, wind), then what about plants/animals? Any difference? Then the human bodies moving around, talking? What͛s the difference apart from the ideas about that? Does that prove anything?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

Good afternoon Sarah,

What are others in direct experience? Others in comparison to what?

They look as more expressions of this reality. In some of them, the identification with the self can be noticed, they show an apparent disconnection with the immediate reality around them. A short of artificial construct, but again, artificial in comparison to what? Mind thoughts again..

There are no others, only the mind labeling after the seeing. Looking without filtering, there are no others.

Is there still a belief that ͚you͛ Are in the body?

There is no resident in the body, the throne is just to be found empty. But found by whom :-) ?

Can you find a self in other human bodies? How do you KNOW it͛s there? (Then there is the identification with the mind. Others could refer to other minds. If it is seen that I don't own a mind then how can others own their minds?)

The expressions that other bodies can play are very rich, although looking closely, they are plays unfolded by their current programming and circumstances. No self exists in others. There is no way to know, no knower, we get only impressions from other bodies coming via the eyes and ears and touch senses, that's all that we experience from others.

Well, mind as an organizing process emerges after sensory input, or that's what I've experienced. Mind does not exist on its own, there is no owner to own the mind. Others receive information, some filtering is done and I get to see, hear, sense some of that outer expression of their bodies.

Nobody owns a mind, as the plant seed grows in some specific way, who owns the order of its expression? did the plant made any choice on starting to grow? or may be the environment and its material configuration was all that was needed?

Is there an inside and an outside of the body? What about the other objects (nature, animals, people)? Is there a "you" that feels separated from them or is that just another thought/concept?

I can only tell there are senses working. "Outside" = purely ego generated concept. "Outside" cannot be felt or really "seen". No, there is no out/inside, only some information happening, without label/reference of position attached.

Again the mind was trying to construct an artificial understanding of this. How futile those attempts appear.., but again, futile to whom?..

Does the sense of self appears simultaneously with the resistance to what is?

Sarah; actually, yesterday I noticed this phenomena happening very clearly. How resistance and self where really appearing one "in front" of each other, with the same intensity, at the same time, fluctuating in parallel. They were as mirroring each other, burning energy between them both.

At some point the resistance was very little, as it was the sense of self, like two little flames, connected by a very thin strand of energy. Then if I wanted to extinguish them, the self grew, and the resistance in parallel. I guess, leaving them alone, they could eventually run out of fuel. But it is fine any way.

Is there a physical self-contained within/as other bodies? Go sit in a park or somewhere where there is a mixture of people and other living objects like birds trees- also non-'living' rocks water moving, wind etc. Then looking at if there was a self in that image/colours/movement (of rocks, wind), then what about plants/animals? Any difference? Then the human bodies moving around, talking? What͛s the difference apart from the ideas about that? Does that prove anything?

Bodies form, probably with the input and food and genetics. Bodies are seen, and interpreted as a temporal organization of materia to express life. Nothing containing anything.

In the park: All elements appear as an smorgasbord of interacting components. Life and inert are labels. Seemingly more complex expressions (bodies) appear to display richer responses. There is a flow that sets all elements in dynamic interaction. A flow of energy transpires everything, but that was just a thought, an attempt of conceptual understanding.

There is no self anywhere. Some tiredness (may be triggered by a surrendering of mind) is felt on Victor expression.

Hugs,
Victor

[Sarah7]

Lovely.
So then Victor, any more questions from you? Anything you want to look at?

Has the illusion of self been clearly seen through? Any doubt?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

hello Sarah,

So far all ok, no more questions for now.

Yes, the illusion have been clearly seen. Been seen as Santa Claus for what it is.

It was a pleasure to have crossed paths. Feeling extremely grateful for the guidance received Sarah.

Hugs,
Victor