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[Ilona]

I see that you see..
How would you explain this to somebody when never heard of it before?

[vinceschubert]

How would you explain this to somebody when never heard of it before?
A very open ended question. So this is my take on it...
There would need to be a reason to do this. Those that come to mind are; that they ask or that they are suffering and are open to a possible way out of it.
Presuming that criteria is there, it follows to find out how they currently think, so questions about themselves would probably lead to an opening for a reconsideration of 'who they are', but before taking that too far would be for them to recognise the consequences of their current thinking patterns.
The emphasis here would be for them to see how much of their thoughts are about the past or future. To highlight the futility of that in their quest for peace.
For some it may be a difficulty to even see their own thinking patterns as they always instantly become so involved in the content that they are constantly emoting about it. For those at the other extreme who are constantly analysing thoughts the need to stop 'scratching the itch' would be a priority. (this was my situation)
Once they have been brought back to this middle ground and earnestness is seen to be present, they would be able to see the illusion of a self.
Even then the questioning approach that enables them to find their own take on this is preferred.
Questions about ownership of thoughts, where is the owner etc, always questions that focus down on thoughts just happening, leading to an acceptance of life is 'always as it should be'.
Recognising the positive value of fear or emotional pain during the process, if it occurs, would be productive.
Allowing time to process steps that appear difficult would be appropriate.
A flow of compassionate replies to questions and statements (without condescension) would help. A recognition that many people in the world are going through their version of this right now may alleviate any sense of aloneness that they might be experiencing.

If my take on your question was wrong, and you didn't want the process of explanation, then maybe you wanted the content of the explanation,...
Somewhere between the middle and the end of the process above, would come the explanation of the absence of I.
Well maybe it wouldn't. They need to discover it for themselves, so at best it would be a confirmation rather than an explanation.
Seeing how the Story of me (them) is constructed and maintained may be enough to do this. (hmm, still stuck in process here)
Well, here is my answer...
i wouldn't explain it to someone that has never heard of it before.

Ilona, No obtuseness intended. If i have missed your question please get back to me.

thank you for hanging in with this.

[vinceschubert]

Are you there Ilona ?

[Ilona]

Sorry I wasn't here yesterday, I'm here now.
Vince, thank you for answers.
last question-

How does it feel to be liberated? What is it like to live and know that there is no separation?

[vinceschubert]

Questions from anybody about anything are always difficult for this mind.
It wants to answer literally.
The immediate response is to go;
"What's" - what does she mean by what's
"it" - is she referring to a thing ?
"like" - does she mean 'is it similar or how does it feel'?
etc, etc...
Anyway a copy and paste from a blog entry of yesterday titled "current situation..." might answer it.

What is the current situation, a week after going through the gate?
Still no sonic boom, still no Aha! of seeing anything exciting, just a continual awareness that Vince was all made up and that THIS is all there is.
By THIS i mean WHAT IS happening now, and now, and now...
Sounds of typing is happening, sounds of cars are happening, sounds of Tinnitus is happening.
No thoughts of the past or future are needed for this typing, so no such thoughts.
Feeling a slight fullness in the stomach region after eating tea a few minutes ago.
Waiting, waiting for the next words to form on the screen. Hmm, how is waiting experienced ? It's just a stillness that has a sensation of emptiness, a kind of vacuum that sucks words from somewhere. The word emptiness came out spelled wrongly and a red line formed under it. Without verbal thought, a right mouse click and insert the correction.
As boring as this might seem, it isn't. Life is mostly like this now, and now, etc.
It's actually very freeing. Hmm, that is there is no weight of what has to be done. A trust that everything that needs doing will get done, and above all i don't need to 'do' Vince. Everything just happens.
Lost in the 'doing' happens.
i watched a movie this afternoon with my wife and her two sisters. As it finished one sister looked at me and said "You've been crying" at which point i realised that it was true. It wasn't a sad movie and i couldn't say why i had been crying. It was emotional and i was lost in it. There was no awareness of a me until she spoke to me.
Life is becoming that way. Lost in each activity that happens. Just being reactive. Present circumstances telling me what is required now, and now, and now...

[Ilona]

Just to finish this, Vince, is there any doubt at all? are you though the gate? Total honesty please.

[vinceschubert]

No doubts anywhere.

[Ilona]

has anyone got any questions to vince?

[vinceschubert]

No doubts anywhere...
That was last night.
This morning, woke with thoughts arising that went like this; "surely this can't be IT", "this is too ordinary to be IT", "there would be definite knowledge if..."
These thoughts might be labelled as doubts, but there is an immediate recognition that they are only thoughts.

No matter what thoughts arise, there can be no doubt that any idea of a me is entirely conceptual.
There simply isn't anything to anchor a certainty to, that this is IT.

[James Anderson]

Experientially, does experience belong to the body, or is the body part of experience?

[vinceschubert]

Hi James, (in my experience :))they can't be separated.
When this body experiences, it is both the experienced and the experiencer.
The experience can't be experienced without the body just as the body can't exist (be perceived) without the experience.

[Ilona]

yes, this is it. very anticlimactic. how does it feel?

[vinceschubert]

Smooth, easy, calm, pleasant - in spite of Vince appearing occasionally - usually in response to frustration. He doesn't stay for more than a moment though.

[vinceschubert]

Any more questions ?
C'mon, let's move on from here please...

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[vinceschubert]

James, further to your question on experience..
To take this deeper...
What is experience?
Is it a reaction to something? re-action...
Is it action, as in primary activity ? Is all action really re-action ?

2 day break...

Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts and couldn't arrive at what experience actually is, then Aha!
Experience is an illusion too. Like thoughts, experience is a label, a concept to explain happenings that have already happened.
Experience is memory about thoughts &/or sensations that have occurred in the past (albeit sometimes only seconds ago, but nevertheless in the past) usually as a reaction to circumstances.