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Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:57 pm

Thoughts about time, past = memory, beliefs, prejudice ….. what else? Have a look yourself.
What about future? Same thing? Future = hopes, dreams ….. what else?
I haven’t really noticed anything else. All thoughts fall in the categories mentioned.
How does it feel? Time not being real?
Is it clearer now how thoughts ‘create’ the I-story?
Understanding that everything is happening now helps to bare it a little bit better. It makes escaping reality more difficult and suggests to have a look inside instead.
Seeing the I-story has gotten clearer, but a thought of the story still is there, claiming that things are happening to me.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:31 pm

Understanding that everything is happening now helps to bare it a little bit better. It makes escaping reality more difficult and suggests to have a look inside instead.
Is there a 'someone' who wants to escape reality?
Seeing the I-story has gotten clearer, but a thought of the story still is there, claiming that things are happening to me.
No big deal. Once you’ve realized that there is no Santa, you will still meet them on the street once a year and you might enjoy seeing them. But you know what you know.
Is there an expectation that all ideas or thoughts about an ‘I’ will have to stop?
Should this ‘me’ character disappear completely?
Can’t it just be observed with interest and compassion? Same way you listen to the story of a friend?

If you compare listening to a Aris-story and listening to a friend, can you find any difference?

Love,
Jadzia

Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Tue May 01, 2018 5:40 pm

Is there a 'someone' who wants to escape reality?
Escaping reality would mean being not real, so that is just a thought. There can’t be anyone separate, so can there be anyone “someone” at all? Looking...
Is there an expectation that all ideas or thoughts about an ‘I’ will have to stop?
Should this ‘me’ character disappear completely?
That would be 'thoughts fighting other thoughts’, so there’s no need to stop or get rid of anything.
Can’t it just be observed with interest and compassion? Same way you listen to the story of a friend?
Other people’s stories seem to be easier to see than the story of myself, but as 'the logic’ is same, it must be possible.
If you compare listening to a Aris-story and listening to a friend, can you find any difference?
No, every story is built the same way; gathering thought-labels and making up a story of them. Gee, I’m not different from Santa!

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Tue May 01, 2018 7:28 pm

Escaping reality would mean being not real, so that is just a thought. There can’t be anyone separate, so can there be anyone “someone” at all? Looking...
From where would the escaping be to what?
Have an honest look here and feel if there is still the wish to escape. From what ……where to.

What is reality?
What is real or unreal?
Could it be just thoughts telling this is real this isn’t`? Thoughts based on a bunch of beliefs or information learned?
That would be 'thoughts fighting other thoughts’, so there’s no need to stop or get rid of anything.
Yes, in a sense it would just be a thought show.
"Now I am fighting thoughts, now I don’t want to hear thoughts, there have to be less thoughts"….blablabla
Other people’s stories seem to be easier to see than the story of myself, but as 'the logic’ is same, it must be possible.
Does the story of Aris calls up a different reaction or sensation/feeling than the story of someone else?
What makes them feel different?
Check over a day and see what you find.
Gee, I’m not different from Santa!
:-)
To be overly correct: The story of Aris is not different than the story of Santa.
Both are fantasy and can still be enjoyed.

So what is left if the story of Aris is seen for what it is?

Love,
Jadzia

Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Wed May 02, 2018 5:43 pm

From where would the escaping be to what? Have an honest look here and feel if there is still the wish to escape. From what ……where to.
That’s another great question, because it made 'me’ realise, that I’m trying to escape 'from what is to what is not’, resisting actual experience. There’s nowhere to go and the wish to escape is just another baseless thought.
What is reality?
Reality is what is directly experienced at the moment, so it’s nothing fixed.
What is real or unreal? Could it be just thoughts telling this is real this isn’t`? Thoughts based on a bunch of beliefs or information learned?
Yes, they are thoughts, and thoughts know nothing. What is sensible right here and now is as real as it gets.
Does the story of Aris call up a different reaction or sensation/feeling than the story of someone else? What makes them feel different?
Yes it does. There still is a personal feeling about my story; a thought of sensations/feelings being mine.
So what is left if the story of Aris is seen for what it is?
The things that are here now won’t disappear, but are seen directly without believing the story.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Wed May 02, 2018 6:05 pm

That’s another great question, because it made 'me’ realise, that I’m trying to escape 'from what is to what is not’, resisting actual experience. There’s nowhere to go and the wish to escape is just another baseless thought.
Even it being thoughts, which don’t know anything – thoughts can be pointers in themselves for something which could be good to be looked at.
So take a piece of paper and write on one side of it Where from and on the other side Where to (in your mother language). And without much thinking write down everything which pops up.
Write at least as long as it takes to get the paper filled. Even if you think it is rubbish, just pin it down. Let it rest for a while and add whatever comes up.
What do you find?
Does the story of Aris call up a different reaction or sensation/feeling than the story of someone else? What makes them feel different?
Yes it does. There still is a personal feeling about my story; a thought of sensations/feelings being mine.
Take another piece of paper and again in your language write down everything you do right now:
I sit in front of the computer.
I hear birds.
I see a cup of tea.
Ect.

When you are finished write again everything you do right now but without the ‘I’:
Sitting in front of computer.
Hearing birds.
Seeing cup of tea.
Ect.

While you do it watch your reactions like a hawk. How does the writing with the ‘I’ feel, what physical reactions can you observe? And How does the writing without an ‘I’ feel?

Love
Jadzia

Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Thu May 03, 2018 5:19 pm

So take a piece of paper and write on one side of it Where from and on the other side Where to. What do you find?
I find opposite thought labels of what is good and bad, right and wrong etc., evaluating things.
How does the writing with the ‘I’ feel, what physical reactions can you observe? And How does the writing without an ‘I’ feel?
With 'the thought of an I’ there’s some tension in the body and in breathing, with a thought of trying or focusing in what I’m doing, and an expectation to do it right.
Without the I everything happens and gets done effortlessly, just by itself, without needing any thoughts at all.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Thu May 03, 2018 5:43 pm

I find opposite thought labels of what is good and bad, right and wrong etc., evaluating things.
Could you give one or two examples?
With 'the thought of an I’ there’s some tension in the body and in breathing, with a thought of trying or focusing in what I’m doing, and an expectation to do it right.
Without the I everything happens and gets done effortlessly, just by itself, without needing any thoughts at all.
Think of the ‘I’.
What is it? A vowel, right? Like A, E, O, U, or?
What gives the ‘I’ the special meaning?

Love,
Jadzia

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Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Fri May 04, 2018 6:24 pm

I find opposite thought labels of what is good and bad, right and wrong etc., evaluating things.
Could you give one or two examples?
For example from insecurity to assurity and from dependence to independence.
Think of the ‘I’. What is it? A vowel, right? Like A, E, O, U, or?
Yes, it’s a vowel.
What gives the ‘I’ the special meaning?
The 'special meaning’ comes from a thought “I am special” and all the thoughts of being different, comparing and characterising one's individuality.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Fri May 04, 2018 7:34 pm

For example from insecurity to assurity and from dependence to independence.
Are these examples where the ‘I’ wants to go to, part of wishes, aims?
There is no separate ‘I’, so what is it that needs assurity or independence?
Yes, it’s a vowel.
Ok, have a bit of fun and play a bit.
Throughout the day, when a thought about "I" comes up, replace the letter! Don’t forget to make breaks and relax.
"I want to have this"
"O want to have this"
Can "O" want to have anything?
No.
How then could "I" want to have anything?

"I don't like that"
"A don't like that"
Can "A" dislike anything?
No.
How come there is an idea that "I" can dislike anything?

Observe this throughout the day and report what comes up!

Love,
Jadzia

Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Sat May 05, 2018 6:26 pm

For example from insecurity to assurity and from dependence to independence.
Are these examples where the ‘I’ wants to go to, part of wishes, aims?
Yes.
There is no separate ‘I’, so what is it that needs assurity or independence?
A thought that is 'telling’ so.
Can "O" want to have anything? No.
How then could "I" want to have anything?
It can’t. The wanting is a label that’s put in the label I.
Can "A" dislike anything? No.
How come there is an idea that "I" can dislike anything?
Because it’s a part of the I’s story.
Observe this throughout the day and report what comes up!
That felt like making up a story.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Sat May 05, 2018 7:38 pm

That felt like making up a story.
Can you tell a bit more?


How personal felt the Aris story when using another vowel?
Seems to be no big effort to feel like a story is made up, or?
What does that tell about the story?

Love,
Jadzia

Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Sun May 06, 2018 6:27 pm

That felt like making up a story.
Can you tell a bit more?
Everything this vowel-guy likes, wants and does create a story about him, and it’s already history once it has happened, with all the reasons; everything he has learned in the past backing up his actions.
How personal felt the Aris story when using another vowel?
Everybody knows their names and if you are called something else you would think they are talking about someone else, so it felt less personal; more like observing ‘myself’ from the outside.
Seems to be no big effort to feel like a story is made up, or?
Not at all, and if you don’t question the story, it will build up itself absolutely unconsciously.
What does that tell about the story?
It tells that 'you’ are a story formed of labels put together.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Sun May 06, 2018 8:19 pm

Everything this vowel-guy likes, wants and does create a story about him, and it’s already history once it has happened, with all the reasons; everything he has learned in the past backing up his actions.
Isn’t it really funny that we all are called ‘I’………..?????
So is there a difference between your ‘I’ and my ‘I’?
If there is one found what is it?
If there can be found common traits what are they?
Everybody knows their names and if you are called something else you would think they are talking about someone else, so it felt less personal; more like observing ‘myself’ from the outside.
What about watching the Aris-Story from the outside?
Like you watch any other entertaining story in the pictures, with the same interest, a fond feeling and compassion for the main character, going with the story to some emotional extent and clap for the good stuff and get misty eyes with the bad stuff?
And yet knowing the whole time that this is just a story playing out you having no control over what happens.

What would that feel like?
Not at all, and if you don’t question the story, it will build up itself absolutely unconsciously.
Easy peasy – in no time at all.
It tells that 'you’ are a story formed of labels put together.
Yip, thoughts in all versions – memories, beliefs, identifications and more and more….

Love,
Jadzia

Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Mon May 07, 2018 5:30 pm

Isn’t it really funny that we all are called ‘I’………..?????
What are the odds? Can this be just a coincidence? I think there must be an invisible bond between all the “I”s. 😶
So is there a difference between your ‘I’ and my ‘I’?
No, stories are just stories.
If there is one found what is it?
Labels vary in each story, but the script is basicly the same: ups and downs, problems and solving problems etc.
If there can be found common traits what are they?
Yes, same technique is used in creating the stories, and sure the ingredients are also quite alike.
What about watching the Aris-Story from the outside? What would that feel like?
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