the real good questions !!!!
5.1. things happen in our make believe world via our mind i suppose...
5.2. the unconcious projects a world view and makes things happen via our perceptions/respons...
5.3. responsible in fact for nothing ...
5.4. what examples: things happen as they are and "i" "choose" in this make believe world to go with it or not...
here indeed elaborate abit please...
Dzogchen
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Ok, I will elaborate ...
Can you give an example of a decision or a choice that "you" have made ... and then describe how that decision or choice was made ... and also describe who or what was responsible for making it?
It could be something as simple as deciding whether or not to have a cup of tea, or choosing between having a cup of tea or a cup of coffee, anything that involves the making of a decision or a choice.
I am looking for a description of your actual experience of making that decision or choice, not what appears to happen in our make believe world ... but what actually happens in your actual experience?
Can you give an example of a decision or a choice that "you" have made ... and then describe how that decision or choice was made ... and also describe who or what was responsible for making it?
It could be something as simple as deciding whether or not to have a cup of tea, or choosing between having a cup of tea or a cup of coffee, anything that involves the making of a decision or a choice.
I am looking for a description of your actual experience of making that decision or choice, not what appears to happen in our make believe world ... but what actually happens in your actual experience?
Re: Dzogchen
to pick up a pen ?
i see the pen or think about taking one up...
it pops up as an action to do: the picking up...
it pops up out of nowhere for all actions: there's no driver it just happens...
i see the pen or think about taking one up...
it pops up as an action to do: the picking up...
it pops up out of nowhere for all actions: there's no driver it just happens...
Re: Dzogchen
but choosing a new car between more then one model: it SEEMS I make a decision that says i choose that or that one...
or the deciding just happens to be...
or the deciding just happens to be...
Re: Dzogchen
Just to be sure that I am understanding correctly let me summarise what I think you are saying in my own words ...
Deciding to pick up a pen ... there is an experience of seeing a pen, and there is an experience of thinking about an "I" seeing the pen, and there is an experience of thinking about picking it up, and there is an experience of picking it up. The experiences of seeing, thinking, and picking, "just happen", they are not done by or experienced by an "I".
Choosing a new car ... there is an experience of thinking about an "I" making a decision, and there is an experience of thinking that a choice has been made. The "seeming" happens within the thoughts within these experiences of thinking. The experiences of thinking "just happen", they are not done by or experienced by an "I".
The "I" that sees then pen, and the "I" that seems to choose the car, are only ideas arising within the thoughts within the experience of thinking, they have no existence outside of the realm of thought, just like the "Santa" that delivers the presents ;)
Please let me know if there is anything about this that you would say differently.
Deciding to pick up a pen ... there is an experience of seeing a pen, and there is an experience of thinking about an "I" seeing the pen, and there is an experience of thinking about picking it up, and there is an experience of picking it up. The experiences of seeing, thinking, and picking, "just happen", they are not done by or experienced by an "I".
Choosing a new car ... there is an experience of thinking about an "I" making a decision, and there is an experience of thinking that a choice has been made. The "seeming" happens within the thoughts within these experiences of thinking. The experiences of thinking "just happen", they are not done by or experienced by an "I".
The "I" that sees then pen, and the "I" that seems to choose the car, are only ideas arising within the thoughts within the experience of thinking, they have no existence outside of the realm of thought, just like the "Santa" that delivers the presents ;)
Please let me know if there is anything about this that you would say differently.
Re: Dzogchen
Congratulations Beyond, you have seen through the illusion of a separate self!
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no it was a priviledge for me to walk with You: big thanks...
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