Gatecrasher

[Beatrice]

Hi Kay,

Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?

No.

Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?

No.

Where are they coming from and going to?

They do not appear to have an origin or particular destination

Can you predict your next thought?

No.

Can you push away any thought?

No.

Can you stop thinking a thought in the middle?

I tried this many times. No.

Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?

Regrettably, no.

Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?

No.

Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?

No.

Is it possible to control any thoughts? Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing? Including the thought 'I'?

No.

It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?

There is no logical or ordered appearance. There is no beginning, no middle, and no end. They just are as they are.

Sincerely,
Jeremy

[forgetmenot]

Hey Jeremy,

Loving looking at thought.

So can a thinker, owner or controller be found at all, anywhere?

Okay...so let's have a look at emotions. There are no emotions, what is actually appearing is label + sensation + thoughts about the seeming 'emotion'.

Let’s look at ‘fear’.

The label ‘fear’is the AE of thought and not the AE of fear
The sensation labelled ‘fear’is the AE of sensation and not the AE of fear
The colour labelled ‘me/I/body’ is the AE of colour and not the AE of fear
The thoughts ABOUT fear are AE of thought and not AE of fear

So, is there actual experience of ‘fear’ or what is actually appearing (AE) is label + sensation + colour + thoughts ABOUT fear? Is 'fear' actually known?

When ‘fear’ appears, close your eyes and do the following:

1) Look at the label/thought ‘fear’ itself. See the label/word ‘fear’ as a typewritten word in the ‘mind’s eye’ across the forehead

Does the label ‘fear’ know anything about fear, or is the word just a bunch of letters?
Is the label ‘fear’ itself fearful?
Can you find anyone/anything in the word itself that is fearful?

2) Then look at the sensation and ignore everything else but the sensation itself.
Inquire into the sensation and ask if the sensation itself knows anything about ‘fear’.

Look and see if the sensation itself is the fearful self. If the words ‘yes’ , or ‘yes, this is the self’ appears, go back to Step 1 and see the words across the forehead and repeat step 1.

Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is fear or that it is fearful?
Does the sensation itself know anything about fear?
Can you find anyone/anything in the sensation itself or behind the sensation that is fearful?

If other random mental images appear during the noticing of the sensation, check to see if those images are the self who is fearful, or are they images that are simply arising and subsiding? If other ‘loud’ thoughts appear, check to see if they are the self that is fearful as you did in step 1.

3) Look at the mental image/outline labelled body.

Does the image/outline itself know anything about ‘fear’.
And then look to see if there is anyone/anything in the colour that knows anything about ‘fear’ or that can be ‘fearful’.

If other random mental images appear during the noticing of the sensation, check to see if those images are the self who is fearful, or are they images that are simply arising and subsiding? If other ‘loud’ thoughts appear, check to see if they are the self that is fearful, as you did in step 1.

4) With eyes still closed look everywhere and see if you can find anyone or anything that is fearful.

When you have done this and if no one/no thing is found, then just sit with the sensation. Just breathe normally, notice the thoughts and images that appear and let them pass on by unless they seem to hang around, then do the appropriate steps above. Allow the sensation all the room it needs in the body without pushing it aside or judging it. If it becomes too intense just take a couple of deep breaths into the sensation itself, and then notice the floor under your feet, notice your backside on the chair and then notice what is in the room you are sitting in and name them out loud, while being aware of the sensation and remember to breathe normally. If the sensation does not dissipate at all or only dissipates a little, that is okay, just notice it, without doing anything with it and just go about your day.

We are not trying to get rid of the sensation labelled ‘fear’ or the arising thoughts or images. We are only LOOKING to see what is actually appearing as opposed to what thought is saying ABOUT what actually IS.

Let me know how you go.

With love, Kay

[Beatrice]

Hi Kay,

So can a thinker, owner or controller be found at all, anywhere?

No, one cannot be found.

So, is there actual experience of ‘fear’ or what is actually appearing (AE) is label + sensation + colour + thoughts ABOUT fear? Is 'fear' actually known?

I had to look at this and break it down several times. Understanding that the AE of sensation is what one 'feels' when experiencing fear was a key concept. 'Fear' is not actually known.

Does the label ‘fear’ know anything about fear, or is the word just a bunch of letters?
Is the label ‘fear’ itself fearful?

It's just a label (bunch of letters). The label itself is not fearful.

Can you find anyone/anything in the word itself that is fearful?

I cannot.

Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is fear or that it is fearful?

It triggers memories of fear (which are just AE of thought), but of itself it does not suggest in any way that it is 'fear' or that which is fearful.

Does the sensation itself know anything about fear?

It knows nothing about fear.

Can you find anyone/anything in the sensation itself or behind the sensation that is fearful?

No.

Does the image/outline itself know anything about ‘fear’.

No.

And then look to see if there is anyone/anything in the colour that knows anything about ‘fear’ or that can be ‘fearful’.

There is nobody / nothing in the color that knows anything about 'fear' or that can be 'fearful'.

Sincerely,
Jeremy

[forgetmenot]

Hey Jeremy,

I really appreciate your diligence in looking. It makes guiding a pleasure.

So, is there actual experience of ‘fear’ or what is actually appearing (AE) is label + sensation + colour + thoughts ABOUT fear? Is 'fear' actually known?

I had to look at this and break it down several times. Understanding that the AE of sensation is what one 'feels' when experiencing fear was a key concept. 'Fear' is not actually known.

Lovely! Exactly, it is only thought that ‘points’ to the sensation and labels it ‘fear’ and gives the sensation meaning by adding the story to why the sensation has appeared. And if you notice, the story always points to a past. Even if it points to something that may happen in the future, the story is based on seeming past experience, and there is no such thing as past or future.

Let’s do another couple of exercises to see if fear actually exists.

Exercise 1:

As you noticed, the sensation itself holds no inherent fear, it is simply a sensation.

Go to the sensation at the soles of the feet. Would you label that sensation ‘fear’? Or is it just a neutral, undefined tingling sensation?

Now compare the sensation of the soles of the feet – which is just neutral sensation – and the sensation in your chest (labelled ‘fear’)…what is the difference between them?
Thought describes one as a little more ‘intense’, but apart from that – any difference?

Exercise 2:

Put aside 10-15 minutes and sit with your eyes closed, and think of a story that brings up a somewhat intense sensation in the body. Then I want you to LOOK very very carefully with your eyes still closed to see if you can find/see an ACTUAL link between the thought and the sensation. If the sensation starts to dissipate, then bring the story to mind again and keep on looking to see if you can see/find a link. If you find you have drifted away with thought, just bring your attention back to the sensation and keep looking. Do this exercise at least 3 times in one day.
Let me know if you find an ACTUAL link between the thoughts and the sensation.

With love, Kay

[Beatrice]

Hi Kay,

Now compare the sensation of the soles of the feet – which is just neutral sensation – and the sensation in your chest (labelled ‘fear’)…what is the difference between them?

This took a while. I cannot distinguish a fundamental difference between them.

Thought describes one as a little more ‘intense’, but apart from that – any difference?

No.

Let me know if you find an ACTUAL link between the thoughts and the sensation.

I spent quite a bit of time doing this. There often appears to be a link but I cannot discover an ACTUAL one.

Sincerely,
Jeremy

[forgetmenot]

Hey Jeremy,

Now compare the sensation of the soles of the feet – which is just neutral sensation – and the sensation in your chest (labelled ‘fear’)…what is the difference between them?

This took a while. I cannot distinguish a fundamental difference between them.

Yes, without thought how would it be known there was a difference?
How would it be known that one is more ‘intense’ than the other?
How is it known that sensation is located at the ‘feet’ or located in a ‘chest’?

Let me know if you find an ACTUAL link between the thoughts and the sensation.

I spent quite a bit of time doing this. There often appears to be a link but I cannot discover an ACTUAL one.

And what exactly does that link appear to be?

1) Imagine holding sensation in the right hand and thought in the left hand.
Does thought, on the one hand, and sensation, on the other, know about each other? Is there a link between the two?

2) Imagine sensation and thought are resting on either side of a pair of scales. When sensation is looked at it gets heavier. When thought is looked at it gets heavier.
Is it possible to look at both thought and sensation at the same time to balance the scales?

Have these exercises answered your questions regarding 'emotions'? You can of course, exchange the word 'fear' with any other 'emotion' - sadness, depression, anger, resistance, irritation, boredom, happiness, bliss etc


Let’s take a look at the idea of choice and decision making to see if you have any choices and if you are actually making decisions.

The aim of the following exercise is to discover whether the function of choice can really be found or confirmed in actual experience. The idea of making ‘choices‘ is a very clear example of a function that we wrongly identify as the basis of our identity.

Here's what’s needed - A chair, a table and two different drinks. Any two drinks you like are okay for this: coffee, tea, milk, water, juices, smoothies, beer, wine, etc.

Preparation - Place the two drinks side by side on the table in front of you, sit comfortably on the chair and mentally label them as drink A and drink B.

Experiment - Finding the function of choice

Sit for a few moments, take a few relaxed breaths and let the dust settle. When you feel ready:

1. Look at drink A and at drink B. Think about their respective qualities, the things you like about them, compare and weigh the pros and cons of each. See if a preference is manifesting for one or the other.
2. Count to 5.
3. Choose one of the drinks. Pick it up and take a sip.

Questions:
Remember that we’re looking for some kind of function, a something, an ‘I’ which is doing the ‘choosing’.

In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting? Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the ‘choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to ‘choose’?

With love, Kay

[Beatrice]

Hi Kay,

Yes, without thought how would it be known there was a difference?

It cannot be known without thought.

How would it be known that one is more ‘intense’ than the other?

It cannot be known without thought.

How is it known that sensation is located at the ‘feet’ or located in a ‘chest’?

It cannot be known without thought.

And what exactly does that link appear to be?

There is no link, it's all just AE.

1) Imagine holding sensation in the right hand and thought in the left hand.
Does thought, on the one hand, and sensation, on the other, know about each other? Is there a link between the two?

They are not two separate things, they are all AE.

2) Imagine sensation and thought are resting on either side of a pair of scales. When sensation is looked at it gets heavier. When thought is looked at it gets heavier.
Is it possible to look at both thought and sensation at the same time to balance the scales?

No.

Have these exercises answered your questions regarding 'emotions'? You can of course, exchange the word 'fear' with any other 'emotion' - sadness, depression, anger, resistance, irritation, boredom, happiness, bliss etc

Yes, very excellent exercise. I see truth about 'emotions' and their relationship to AE of thought and AE of sensation.

In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

There is no 'choice', it just kind of appears. I looked at this for a long time, it's really amazing how 'my' preferences are really just manefestations of AE.

In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting? Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

While I counted to 5, the 'choice' was already made. It was not 'I' that made this 'choice', but rather the action of AE of thought.

In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

My experience negates the existence of 'choice' and a 'chooser'.

Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the ‘choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to ‘choose’?

A 'feeling' is just AE of thought; it cannot 'choose'.

GREAT exercise. Thank you!
Jeremy

[forgetmenot]

Hey Jeremy,

And what exactly does that link appear to be?

There is no link, it's all just AE.

Yes, it is only appearing thought that says a thought triggers a sensation, or vice versa.

Have these exercises answered your questions regarding 'emotions'? You can of course, exchange the word 'fear' with any other 'emotion' - sadness, depression, anger, resistance, irritation, boredom, happiness, bliss etc

Yes, very excellent exercise. I see truth about 'emotions' and their relationship to AE of thought and AE of sensation.

Lovely! :)

In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

There is no 'choice', it just kind of appears. I looked at this for a long time, it's really amazing how 'my' preferences are really just manefestations of AE.

If you go back to the ‘apple’ exercise, how is it known that what is appearing is ‘your’ preferences? Because a thought appears saying that these are what you prefer. That would make a thought a thinking entity (which it is not) and that there is actually a ‘you’ who has preferences. ‘You’, in that moment, are also just an appearance of thoughts about a ‘me’ who has preferences.

In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting? Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

While I counted to 5, the 'choice' was already made. It was not 'I' that made this 'choice', but rather the action of AE of thought.

Thought is simply thought and thought knows nothing, nor can thought action anything. Thought is simply an appearance that arises and subsides like all other appearances. It is only thought that says thought knows something.

Although this video points to a brain, it is interesting to see that even science has proven that there is no one making choices/decisions.

https://vimeo.com/90101368

In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

My experience negates the existence of 'choice' and a 'chooser'.

And how did this feel when you saw this?

Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the ‘choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to ‘choose’?

A 'feeling' is just AE of thought; it cannot 'choose'.

Lovely…yes! A ‘feeling’ is just AE of thought. It is not an actual sensation, so it is only a thought.

Okay, let’s look at the idea of control.

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts, examine the actual experience. Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire…

How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

With love, Kay

[Beatrice]

Hi Kay,

And how did this feel when you saw this?

Liberated.

How is the movement controlled?

It is not controlled. It is AE of thought with AE of image / color.

Does a thought control it?

No. It is not controlled.

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

There is no 'controller'.

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

A decision point cannot be found because there is no 'deciding'.

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

I cannot.

Lovely exercise, thank you Kay. I spent many hours looking over the past day. All of this makes extraordinary sense.

Sincerely,
Jeremy

[forgetmenot]

Hey Jeremy,

How are you going with your 'emotions'? And can you share a little of what was going on before we went through looking at emotions please.

And how did this feel when you saw this?

Liberated.

Nice! :)

Lovely exercise, thank you Kay. I spent many hours looking over the past day. All of this makes extraordinary sense.

It’s all so very simple, isn’t it! :)

Okay, so we have seen there is no chooser/decider, and no controller, let’s look a the idea of a ‘doer/doership’.

We’ll do a little exercise on this topic. It has to do with the sense of seeing.

Take a few relaxed breaths to let the dust settle for a while, and then:
Look on your right.
Then look on your left.
Finally, bring your head back to centre, close your eyes and look in front.

Okay, so when you look on the right, the view on the right is seen (whatever that is).
When you look on the left, the view on the left is seen (whatever that is).
And then, when you look in front of you with eyes closed, the view in front is seen (ie black space).

So, when the view on the right is seen, do you have the ‘choice’ not to see? I’m not asking can you ‘choose’ to see something else like another view or black space if you close your eyes. The question is, can you turn seeing off? Can you NOT see what is seen?

Same thing with the view on the left, can you NOT see the view on the left?

Same thing with the view in front with closed eyes, can you NOT see the blank sky?

Can you turn off seeing?

Last question, in this whole exercise, what did the 'chooser' choose? Did a 'self' choose something?

If you can't choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?

With love, Kay

[Beatrice]

Hi Kay -

How are you going with your 'emotions'? And can you share a little of what was going on before we went through looking at emotions please.

I am beginning to understand emotions for what they are: Actual Experience of sensation and thought. Before we went through this I had a sense this is what they might be, but it was a useful exercise to clarify everything.

To be honest, Kay, the sudden insight and realization into no-self occurred very early in this process (for me, it was the second day). Much of what we are doing now is helping me understand this new, preferred way of experiencing life. The 'emotions' exercise has been very helpful, but so have all the other lessons we have been through.

So, when the view on the right is seen, do you have the ‘choice’ not to see? I’m not asking can you ‘choose’ to see something else like another view or black space if you close your eyes. The question is, can you turn seeing off? Can you NOT see what is seen?

There is no 'choice'. One cannot turn seeing off. One must see what is seen.

Same thing with the view on the left, can you NOT see the view on the left?

You cannot NOT see it.

Same thing with the view in front with closed eyes, can you NOT see the blank sky?

You cannot NOT see it.

Can you turn off seeing?

No.

Last question, in this whole exercise, what did the 'chooser' choose? Did a 'self' choose something?

There is no 'chooser', there is no 'self' to choose anything.

If you can't choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?

There is nothing to choose. Life is experienced as it is.

Sincerely,
Jeremy

[forgetmenot]

Hi Jeremy,

How are you going with your 'emotions'? And can you share a little of what was going on before we went through looking at emotions please.

I am beginning to understand emotions for what they are: Actual Experience of sensation and thought. Before we went through this I had a sense this is what they might be, but it was a useful exercise to clarify everything.

Emotions are the AE of thought. Thought ‘points’ to sensation and labels it a particular emotion and further states that the thought and sensation go hand in hand…but do they? Is fear actually known or only thoughts about fear? Is fear made up of thoughts and sensations or just thoughts?

To be honest, Kay, the sudden insight and realization into no-self occurred very early in this process (for me, it was the second day). Much of what we are doing now is helping me understand this new, preferred way of experiencing life. The 'emotions' exercise has been very helpful, but so have all the other lessons we have been through.

Lovely, Jeremy! We will continue to the end to ensure we investigate everything that seems to create the idea of a separate self. What is happening is that we are deconstructing the idea of there being a separate self to see if there has ever been a separate self in any shape or form any where and at any time.

So, when the view on the right is seen, do you have the ‘choice’ not to see? I’m not asking can you ‘choose’ to see something else like another view or black space if you close your eyes. The question is, can you turn seeing off? Can you NOT see what is seen?

There is no 'choice'. One cannot turn seeing off. One must see what is seen.

And is there anyone/anything actually seeing?

If you can't choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?

There is nothing to choose. Life is experienced as it is.

And what is it exactly that is experiencing life?
Is there a boundary/dividing line between experience and experiencer?

Let’s have a look at the idea of the body and see if that is what is the experiencer

Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc.) before replying.

With love, Kay

[Beatrice]

Hi Kay,

Emotions are the AE of thought. Thought ‘points’ to sensation and labels it a particular emotion and further states that the thought and sensation go hand in hand…but do they? Is fear actually known or only thoughts about fear? Is fear made up of thoughts and sensations or just thoughts?

Fear is a label that thought applies to a specific sensation. The thought and sensation are separate. Fear is not actually known.

And is there anyone/anything actually seeing?

No.

And what is it exactly that is experiencing life?

There is no 'experiencer', it is just what is. The experience is unitive.

Is there a boundary/dividing line between experience and experiencer?

No.

Can it be known how tall the body is?

No.

Does the body have a weight or volume?

No.

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

It does not.

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?

No.

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

No.

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?

This is an interesting question, but no.

If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?

There is not.

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

It refers to a thought describing AE of sensation & color/image of a 'body'

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

AE and nothing else, for example:

Seeing a body, simply= image/colour
Smelling with the body, simply = smell,
Feeling the body, simply = sensation.
Tasting with the body, simply = taste
Hearing a body, simply = sound
Thought about the body, simply = thought.

Sincerely,
Jeremy

[forgetmenot]

Good afternoon Jeremy,

Emotions are the AE of thought. Thought ‘points’ to sensation and labels it a particular emotion and further states that the thought and sensation go hand in hand…but do they? Is fear actually known or only thoughts about fear? Is fear made up of thoughts and sensations or just thoughts?

Fear is a label that thought applies to a specific sensation. The thought and sensation are separate. Fear is not actually known.

Yes! :)

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

It refers to a thought describing AE of sensation & color/image of a 'body'

Yep! :) The label/word body actually refers to AE of thought.

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

AE and nothing else, for example:

Seeing a body, simply= image/colour
Smelling with the body, simply = smell,
Feeling the body, simply = sensation.
Tasting with the body, simply = taste
Hearing a body, simply = sound
Thought about the body, simply = thought.

The ACTUAL experience of the body is thought.

Colour is AE of colour and not the AE of a body
Sensation is AE of sensation and not the AE of a body
Taste is AE of taste and not the AE of a body
Smell is AE of smell and not the AE of a body
Sound is AE of sound and not the AE of a body.
Label is AE of thought and not the AE of a body.

Thought ‘points’ to all of the above and overlays actual raw experience of colour, sensation, taste, smell, sound, label with stories about these being a body, so the AE of body is simply thought.
Is this clear?

Here is an even deeper investigation of the body. Please follow each step, don't leave out any. Take your time. Don't move to the next step until the previous one is clearly seen. Repeat the exercise several times.

Stand in front of a bigger mirror.

(1) First, close the eyes and feel the sensations labelled ‘body’.

(2) Then open the eyes and look into the mirror while still paying attention to the sensations.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror?
Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?


(3) While still paying attention to the sensations move one hand and observe the movement from the mirror.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?

(4) Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and the image ‘of movement’?
Or only thoughts suggest it?

(5) Now, pay attention only to the image in the mirror.

Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’?
Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all?
Or are there only colours and shapes?

(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen.

Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?

(7) Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don’t look directly to any body parts).

Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?

(8) Start to walk slowly.

Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?
Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?

(9) Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any location?

With love, Kay

[Beatrice]

Hi Kay,

Thought ‘points’ to all of the above and overlays actual raw experience of colour, sensation, taste, smell, sound, label with stories about these being a body, so the AE of body is simply thought.
Is this clear?

Yes, thank you.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror?
Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?

I repeated steps 1 & 2 several times. There is no connection between the felt sensations and the image of the mirror, other than thoughts suggesting that there is.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?

No, only thoughts suggesting that there is.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and the image ‘of movement’?
Or only thoughts suggest it?

No, only thoughts suggesting that there is.

Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’?

No.

Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all?

The image itself does not.

Or are there only colours and shapes?

It's just AE of sight, simply = image / color.

Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?

No, only thoughts suggesting so.

Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?

There are only sensations.

Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?

Only sensations.

Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?

No.

Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?

They are just thoughts about walking.

Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?

A 'body' canont be found. Just thoughts about a 'body'.

Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?

No.

Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any location?

They are not localized in space. There are only labelled images, sounds (footsteps), and sensations with accompanying thoughts.

Sincerely,
Jeremy