The truth

[Bananafish]

Hi Tuulikki! Thanks for the answers.

I want to look at very specific points before I have the other
guides to read the thread.

there is still that ego haunting

decision, intention, free will, choises and control; they are words made to describe the needs that the ego has, to keep the false self happy,

Can you describe what "ego" and "false self" are?

But when i was looking at those emotions earlier,

Was there an "aha" kind of moment?
When exactly was it? Could you elaborate on how you felt at that very moment?

[Tuulikki]

Hi Bananafish!

I hope i clear those things to you :)

To me the ”ego” IS the false self, the ”i”, the believe that there is an ”i”. I just used the word ”ego” to describe that ”it” is still haunting, meaning, that those old believes still comes up. I see them, but i don’t believe in those thoughts anymore. I can now just let them be and go. They just still arise. Thoughts don’t stop, they just happen.

And the words; decision, intention, free will, choises and control, they are words that mean things, that the ego believes that it has. It; the ego, false self, i, what ever you want to call it, is happy when it believes that it has a choice or a free will or that it is in control. Those thoughts of control, etc. feel good when believed there is an ”i”, a separate self. But when looking what really is, through the ”egos” resistance, the truth that there is no ”i” in control or an ”i” who has a free will or can make choises, falls away.

”Ego”, ”false self”, ”I”; are words, names given to the believed separate self. And the separate self is nothing more than a believe system, an illusion. Only based on thoughts that were once believed. Nothing real.

”Was there an ”aha” kind of moment? When exactly was it? Could you elaborate on how you felt at that very moment?”

When i was writing to you about the emotions and old believes, things that i was writing, the answers to my own questions, just came so easily, so effortlesly. Everything was so clear. I saw it when i was done writing :) Not really an ”aha- moment”, but that feeling of serenity and emptiness when i saw how simple and clear everything was. It was actually very amusing :)

[Bananafish]

And the words; decision, intention, free will, choises and control, they are words that mean things, that the ego believes that it has. It; the ego, false self, i, what ever you want to call it, is happy when it believes that it has a choice or a free will or that it is in control.

Does what you call "ego" believe in something and is happy under some conditions?
That sounds like it's an entity.

Can you describe the process in which it believes in something, or becomes happy?

[Tuulikki]

You are right, what i wrote does sound like the ”ego” is an entity! But no, i don’t think of it as an entity. IT doesn’t believe in anything or is happy under some conditions.
I’ll try to explain this differently; people like the idea of beeing in control and they don’t want to loose that feeling of beeing in control, beeing the one who makes choises. People are believing those thoughts to be true, because it rises pleasent feelings etc. and they aren’t willing to ”give them away” by believing that there is no ”i”, because that rises unpleasent feelings for most.
Ego=thoughts, that are believed to be true by people. Not a ”thing”, just the so called ”false me” that many people incorrectly claim to be the ”i”, that is said to be created by many things like ”my mind”, ”my body”, ”my past”, ”my believes”, etc. And most people believe that ”false self”, the ”ego”, the ”i”, to be something real. Wich can’t really be found, there is no ”i” to pin point anywhere!

[Bananafish]

Oh, can you read other people's mind?

No, just kidding. :)

But even what you wrote about "others" doesn't go beyond a sheer imagination,
because there is no directly experiencing "others".

Next time you talk with someone, or even look at someone, have a close look
and you will see. Investigate.


Now, please wait for a while for other guides to have a look and pose questions.

[Tuulikki]

Hi!

Yeah, your right, there is no directly experiencing ” other people”. A tip you gave me earlier about putting the ”sticky thoughts” on paper and looking at them, is really the best way to open those things up! Something i’ll be using for sure :)

But thank you very much Bananafish for the road so far, you have truly been a massive help in helping me see!
I’ll be waiting what the other guides have to ask from me :)

[Bananafish]

Hi Tuulikki!

I want to congratulate you on coming to the end of
this conversation. Other guides don't have any questions to you,
which means you're through now! :)


I will send you a private message, so please have a look.

It was such a pleasure to guide you, Tuulikki. :)

[Tuulikki]

Hi!

Thank you again so much! :)

Our conversation lead me finally to the end of my ”seeking”! What a liberation :)

I read your message and i will add you to be my FB friend soon! I go by my name Mari Pylvänäinen.

See you! :)