GETIT!

[Kixem]

How is it known that these are "your" actions?
Look at these actions.
Look at a hand moving, doing things.
How is it known that these actions are "your" actions?
Do these actions belong to anyone or anything?

Just forget about what we've looked at before.

Look at the hand and tell me where there exactly is "my" in hand moving.

Nowhere.

Is "my" to be found in actions, in experience itself?
Or is it just thought labelling experience as "mine" and "not mine".
What can be observed here?

It’s clear when I look at what happened a moment ago, my hand moved without my ordering it to do so or even my permission. Even when I think I order it to move, it doesn’t really, purely, move on my order but as a result of a stimulus, “Matthew said”, “nose itching”. I don’t live life, life lives me. Or even, just, life. And then comes the labeling, “I don’t like this”, “I prefer that”, “this is better”, “that stinks”

or, perhaps better yet,

It’s clear, when, what happened a moment ago, is seen, hand moved without orders or even permission. And it moved, really, purely, as a result of a stimulus, “Matthew said”, “nose itching”, and not as a result of one or something ordering it. Life unfolding. One or something may, if such existed, do labeling, “I don’t like this”, “I prefer that”, “this is better”, “that stinks”, but that labeling doesn’t mean or change anything.

[Matthew]

So are these "your" actions? Or are there just actions.
Is this "your" life? Or is there just life.

Is there anything to experience, which makes it "MY" experience?
Or is there just experience. Is there anything personal to pure experience?

[Kixem]

So are these "your" actions? Or are there just actions.

If there’s no self, these actions have no owner. They just are.
(Then why do we lock people up when they do bad things?)

Is this "your" life? Or is there just life.

Unquestionably, no. It is simply living. I have absolutely no claim of ownership on it.

Is there anything to experience, which makes it "MY" experience?
Or is there just experience. Is there anything personal to pure experience?

It could, possibly be that I am trying to avoid facing the fact that I am completely, totally destitute, devoid of ANY claim of ownership, whatsoever, and I don’t like it(who’s the “I”in all of this?.), so I’m having some difficulty dealing with this line of inquiry. ‪Can I ask for your suggestion? I looked it up and this is what the dictionary says the meaning of the word is:‬

* 1
a : direct observation of or participation in events as a basis of knowledge
b : the fact or state of having been affected by or gained knowledge through direct observation or participation
* 2
a : practical knowledge, skill, or practice derived from direct observation of or participation in events or in a particular activity
b : the length of such participation has 10 years' experience in the job
* 3
a : the conscious events that make up an individual life
b : the events that make up the conscious past of a community or nation or humankind generally
* 4
: something personally encountered, undergone, or lived through
* 5
: the act or process of directly perceiving events or reality

Which definition would it be advisable to work with?‬

[Matthew]

If there’s no self, these actions have no owner. They just are.
(Then why do we lock people up when they do bad things?)

We'll have a look at that some time later. Just for fun :-)



PLEASE forget about numbers 1 - 4.
These are just different meanings of the same term, yes. Has nothing to with our term "experience"
The closest one here is

* 5
: the act or process of directly perceiving events or reality

Although it is not "direct perception" but "direct experience".
In "perception" there is still the idea of a someone or a something percieving. There is still a filter.
Experience IS reality. Without a filter.

Direct experience is what is here now.
Seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, sensation and observed thought.
Simply what is directly and actually here now.

The content of thought is not here and now.
There is a thought about yesterday. The thought "yesterday" is here now, it can be observed. But the content of thought, the event that happened yesterday is not here now. It does not exist here and now.
There is a thought about a unicorn. The thought "unicorn" is here now, it can be observed. But the content of thought, the unicorn, is not here now. It does not exist.
There is thought about a "me". The thought "me" is here now, it can be observed. But the content of thought, the "me, is not here now. It does not exist.


To bring more clarity in this, very relaxed:



What can be SEEN here?

[Kixem]

What can be SEEN here?

Multi colored round shaped object on whiteish-milkish surrounding

[Matthew]

Or in other words:
The actual experience of the seen is colour.
Or:
The actual experience of the seen is the seen.

Is there there an "apple" anywhere to be found in the pure seen?
Where does the information "apple" come from?

Is there "red" in the seen?

Is there "round" in the seen?

[Kixem]

Or in other words:
The actual experience of the seen is colour.
Or:
The actual experience of the seen is the seen.

The actual experience of the seen is the seen.

Is there there an "apple" anywhere to be found in the pure seen?

Only if there’s one in my hands right here and now.

Where does the information "apple" come from?

Memory. Memory of what I have been told things similar to what I’m holding in my hands should be called for identification purposes.

Is there "red" in the seen?

Is there "round" in the seen?

No. These are thoughts/memories/concepts/labels.

[Matthew]

For this investigation it is completely fine to let an apple be an apple :-)
It is just important to be clear, what thought is. Where it is, how it operates.

When there is a noise of a car, listen.
What is HEARD?
Is there a "car" in pure sound?

When there is a soft pressure against the back, close your eyes and observe:
What is sensed?
Is there a "back" in pure sensation?

Get yourself comfortable with this kind of looking. In a relaxed way.

Is there anything to experience, which makes it "MY" experience?
Or is there just experience. Is there anything personal to pure experience?

It could, possibly be that I am trying to avoid facing the fact that I am completely, totally destitute, devoid of ANY claim of ownership, whatsoever, and I don’t like it(who’s the “I”in all of this?.), so I’m having some difficulty dealing with this line of inquiry. ‪

Well.. Of course, an imagined thought character IS in fact completely destitute.
It cannot claim any ownership, it cannot do anything.
It can only appear within the story.

But this should only bother you if you are an imagined thought character.
This would only be troubling if you were a thought.
Are you an imagined character?
Are you a thought?

[Kixem]

When there is a noise of a car, listen.
What is HEARD?

Sounds. Noise.

Is there a "car" in pure sound?

No. Not in the least.

But this should only bother you if you are an imagined thought character.
This would only be troubling if you were a thought.
Are you an imagined character?
Are you a thought?

Yes, “I” is an imaginary character, a thought.

[Matthew]

Did this thought character ever exist aside from a story/dream about it?

Have you ever been this person, that thought invented?

[Kixem]

Did this thought character ever exist aside from a story/dream about it?

If “I” doesn’t exist now, and it doesn’t, it never existed.

Have you ever been this person, that thought invented?

Only in thought. Never in reality.

[Matthew]

How does it feel to see this?
How does it feel to see, that the person you thought to be, never really existed?



Is there a one, who needs to achieve something?

Is there a one, who could have sorrows about his/her future?

Is there a one, who has to improve him/herself?

Was there ever a one, who made a bad decision?

[Kixem]

How does it feel to see this?

Big emptiness.

How does it feel to see, that the person you thought to be, never really existed?

Cheated..ha ha

Is there a one, who needs to achieve something?

No. Ride the horse in the direction he’s going.

Is there a one, who could have sorrows about his/her future?

THERE’S NOBODY HOME! There are sorrows and there are joys, and everything else in between.
Future? What future? Nobody handed me future. I have no idea if I is going to be breathing one minute from now. “My”, “future”!..what a silly notion..hilarious..

Was there ever a one, who made a bad decision?

“Good decisions”, “bad decisions”..life happens. No. Last I checked, still, no one there..
I don’t get to vote again on what happened. I already did.

[Matthew]

Beautiful :-)

I don’t get to vote again on what happened. I already did.

Was there an "I", that had a vote in the past?

Is "I" more than a thought? Can a thought vote or make decisions?

Are there decisions? Or are there thoughts about decisions?

What are you responsible for?

[Kixem]

Was there an "I", that had a vote in the past?

The “I” thought that was thinking it’s own thoughts..as if that was possible.

Is "I" more than a thought? Can a thought vote or make decisions?

“I” doesn’t exist other than a thought, a concept. A thought just is. Just like my lamp, I can wish or ask it to fetch my lunch or wash my windows but it ain’t gonna happen..my lamp can’t do nothing.

What are you responsible for?

Everything. There’s nothing that exists that I’m not responsible for. Not accountable, as in punishable or commendable. Just like breathing. I breathe, inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale always I do it, but I don’t cause it.