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[MerlinC]

What I was trying to say is that body and world are here and then thers thoughts about theys things but thoughts are in the body and the me is thoughts so no real me thare only life doing its thing and the me which thinks its self as real from life. The body came from this place I dont own it Im just barrowing it untell its time to give it back. The mind is a very strong thing if it can believe in itself and for so long as it does in so many.

[Ilona]

You say that thoughts are in the body. Check if it's true.
Where in the body?
And is there a borrower of the body?
Where does it sit? And how does it manage the body?

[MerlinC]

it feels as though thought is in the head area but it doesn't have enough form to it to be in anything. The barrower is the me and the me is thoughts of a me

[Ilona]

What is that me that borrows body? And from what?

Can a thought borrow anything?

[MerlinC]

there is no borrowing nore can it happen thers only thoughts. why then does thought feel so directed as if ther was a me directing them? like the narrating.

[Ilona]

is there a narrator? does there need to be a narrator and a listener? can it be that the voice is speaking by itself, to itself, just because.

[MerlinC]

I suppose but thoughts seem so organized like its really a person behind them but thoughts do go on and on without a time out.

[Ilona]

you have to look and find out what is true. supposing, guessing is not gonna work here. so what that the voice sounds like it's a person, is there a person? is that voice you?

[MerlinC]

thoughts come and is replaced by another and another they are all in my voice. but I realized that they cant come to me because me is a claiming thought but only another thought. thoughts go to no one but they do make themselfs seen and are here. If I imagine that I or some person withen my thought I will only get and image coupled with a thought.

[Ilona]

Yes, this is how it is.
Now the ultimate question-

Do you exist?

[MerlinC]

No I dont exsist not in thought anyways. But in all honesty I feel confused because I still think to write theys words so how can we even use thought isnt it all conditioned and not very reliable? And also I feel like every thought that poses as me can trick me into being it. indentifed as it so is ther a learning curb in order to be present? is this the gate?

[Ilona]

No, this in not the gate and you still believe that "you" are here.

Tell me what do you mean that you do not exist in thought? Where do you exist?

[MerlinC]

The me is thought but if thought is always changing and its source is not from a person because that would only be another thought then in all reality there is no me but I do still have a sence of self.

[Ilona]

What does sense of aliveness has to do with labels?
Is it here if you don't label it "I"?
Sense of aliveness is not going to disappear, it's always here, with or without labels. Is this true?

Thought is not always changing, but one thought appears after another one at a time. Thought me is just that- a thought. Can a thought own anything? Does a label on your jacket own a jacket? It's a tag, that is useful for comunication, but there is no separate entity that does thinking. Is this true?

What is sense of self if you don't name it?

[MerlinC]

yes the sence of being aliveness is always thare not needing anything like labels or words to keep it alive its just thare. and no a thought cannot own anything but it can claim ownership. sence of self is the sence of being alive and aware.