Free from prison of feelings

[Inkeri]

Hey,

Tell me about the "I" in "I think" and the "I" that experienced a difference. Is there still an "I" having experiences?

The languange sure is dualistic. It is hard to put in words the experiences. It feels like the 'I' in these is more an experiencer. An observer. But sometimes the old habit sneaks back and the 'I' seems to be present. But a lot less than before.

Underneath the story, what is happening there?

I was looking at my child playing in the bath tub this evening. Actually 'I' looked at her like I'm used to and then the whole picture I was seeing somehow changed. The rush in my head got quiet and everything kind of slowed down. I could see clearer. Everything is experiments for her. She does not seem to think what to 'do', playing just happens. Everything is new in this world and that kind of excitement is wonderful to witness and also feel. I sunk into that moment and time stoped. Everything happens on it's own. I felt so peaceful and content. So behind the story everything just is. Life is happening on it's own without any big plan.

This is it for today.
Have a good night!
Love Xx

[Bambaji]

<r>Hi poppet<br/>

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</s>It feels like the 'I' in these is more an experiencer. An observer.<e>

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Can you see that for there to be an experiencer or an observer there must also be a separate "thing" that is experienced or observed? <br/>
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Is it possible that there can be an experience, but no 'experiencer'? Can there be awareness, but no 'awarer'? Look and look and look.

Look for any sensation of separateness - can you find it? What does it feel like, look like?<br/>

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</s>Everything happens on it's own. I felt so peaceful and content. So behind the story everything just is. Life is happening on it's own without any big plan. <e>

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Lovely description. Behind the story everything just is. Yes, lovely looking :)<br/>
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In this moment, what is separate from "everything"?<br/>
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Big hug xx</r>

[Bambaji]

Lol !!

Don't know what happened there, lots of html, sorry about that!!

xx

[Inkeri]

Good evening!

Is it possible that there can be an experience, but no 'experiencer'? Can there be awareness, but no 'awarer'? Look and look and look.

I was resting today and heard my husband and daughter laughing. I realized that the experience happened even if 'I' wasn't there to witness it. So the experiences seem to also just happen.

But I wonder... Why am I able to speak about certain experiences and someone else is not? What makes the difference there? I somehow see that experiences and awareness just happen and flow. But there is something that 'I' don't get..

Look for any sensation of separateness - can you find it? What does it feel like, look like? In this moment, what is separate from "everything"?

Separateness- no can't find it. Right now all that is just is.

Nighty
Xx

[Bambaji]

Hi

I realized that the experience happened even if 'I' wasn't there to witness it. So the experiences seem to also just happen.

Yes indeed :) But look at your language. Do experiences "seem" to just happen or do they, actually, just happen? "Seem" gives room for doubt. "Seem" is a thought. Trust what you are feeling.

Why am I able to speak about certain experiences and someone else is not? What makes the difference there?

I am not sure what you mean Inkeri, could you please try to explain a bit more?

But there is something that 'I' don't get..

It feels as though there is still some expectation lurking, and expectation can blind us to what we are seeing, what we already are, what is here all the time, regardless.

Instead of focusing on what you are looking FOR, please focus on what you are looking AT.
Don't look for what thought tells you is missing from your experience, look at what is right here now in your experience.

Sending love xx

[Inkeri]

Hey,

"Seem" is a thought. Trust what you are feeling.

Yes.

Why am I able to speak about certain experiences and someone else is not? What makes the difference there?

I am not sure what you mean Inkeri, could you please try to explain a bit more?

With this I ment that when I witness an experience, I feel like being an experiencer (because I can talk about the situation). So could there be experiencers? Or is all experiences?

Instead of focusing on what you are looking FOR, please focus on what you are looking AT.
Don't look for what thought tells you is missing from your experience, look at what is right here now in your experience.

This is really good!! I notice now that I have built a habit to always search what might be missing! Omg! That's why I often feel like something is missing. Wow... So focusing on what I am looking at. Will concentrate on that tomorrow!

Thanks!
Xx

[Bambaji]

Hi good evening:)

This is really good!! I notice now that I have built a habit to always search what might be missing! Omg! That's why I often feel like something is missing. Wow... So focusing on what I am looking at. Will concentrate on that tomorrow!

Yes, excellent, and don't get sucked in to thinking about what you are looking at, or trying to work out if you are experiencing the experience!!! Just enjoy it exactly as it is :)

With this I ment that when I witness an experience, I feel like being an experiencer (because I can talk about the situation). So could there be experiencers? Or is all experiences?

If you can find an experiencer then there is separation. Maybe there is the ILLUSION of an experiencer because of the way that thought jumps in and owns everything? Check this out :) When you are actually experiencing something, do you really truly FEEL like a separate experiencer? Or is there just the experience? No thinking!!!

Fabulous honey, keep looking, drop your expectations, be in the experience and see how it feels

Love xx

[Inkeri]

Heya!

Maybe there is the ILLUSION of an experiencer because of the way that thought jumps in and owns everything? Check this out :)

Yes, damn thoughts!! They are really really loud.

When you are actually experiencing something, do you really truly FEEL like a separate experiencer? Or is there just the experience? No thinking!!!

No I do not feel like a separate experiemcer. When the mind quites down and and experience 'takes fully over', there is no separation. Those moments are perfect. Nothing is missing.

Today was a bit difficult day. I felt a lot of dissatisfaction and sorrow. I can't find any thoughts behind them. Could it be that I'm just sensing something? These type of feelings I have had before. And compared to before, today I was more peace with the feelings. They just were here and I did not try to force anything else. More acceptense here. That feels good and right.

Yeah.. Good night!
Xx

[Bambaji]

Maybe there is the ILLUSION of an experiencer because of the way that thought jumps in and owns everything? Check this out :)
Yes, damn thoughts!! They are really really loud.

Thoughts can be intrusive. But can you see the ILLUSION that is created?

No I do not feel like a separate experiemcer. When the mind quites down and and experience 'takes fully over', there is no separation. Those moments are perfect. Nothing is missing.

Perfect indeed :) good looking

Today was a bit difficult day. I felt a lot of dissatisfaction and sorrow. I can't find any thoughts behind them. Could it be that I'm just sensing something? These type of feelings I have had before. And compared to before, today I was more peace with the feelings. They just were here and I did not try to force anything else. More acceptense here. That feels good and right.

Ok, I am going to raise my voice a little bit here: STOP THINKING!! lol...

Look at the paragraph that you wrote to me again:
"Today was a bit difficult day" - difficult is a label on an experience
" I felt a lot of dissatisfaction and sorrow" - you experienced sensations which thought labelled and a story was born
"I can't find any thoughts behind them" - no indeed, but lots of thought ABOUT them!!
"Could it be that I'm just sensing something?" - we have sensations all the time, that's just what's happening - you may be sensing 'something', and that's perfectly fine, just sense it, don't think about it, let it be. As you say: just be at peace with the feelings.

Can you see? This can be such fun when we tune in to it and see it for what it is. This takes practice, the whole thought/story thing is a long-ingrained habit. Keep looking at what is real. Keep bringing yourself back to the sensations you are feeling. No thought about them, no story. Watch the labels that get slapped on everything - no problem with them, no judgement, it's a big game :)

Take moments through your day and just sit, tune in to what you are actually experiencing. Try and put it in to words without labels or story. Let me know how you get on.

Much love poppet xx

[Bambaji]

...and .....something just occurred to me...

You called this thread "Free from the prison of feelings"

Interesting huh?! What would you call it now (if anything)?

Are feelings a prison?

love xxx

[Inkeri]

Hey,
I hear you and totally aggree! I feel like I'm stuck and frustration is felt!! Pation has not been 'my' strongest quality. Practice, practise...

This actually also came to my mind this other day:

...and .....something just occurred to me...

You called this thread "Free from the prison of feelings"

Interesting huh?! What would you call it now (if anything)?

Are feelings a prison?

Feelings itself are not a prision. But the THOUGHTS about them are! The whole believing-system. Phew!!

This takes practice, the whole thought/story thing is a long-ingrained habit. Keep looking at what is real.

I know. It's a bit fat habit. My problem is that I do not get that much time for my self. So it's easy just go like before.. And right now I'm so tired that just feel like crying.

I'll keep noticing and and try to get moments through my day and tune in to what I'm actually experiencing.

Thank you
Xx

[Bambaji]

Good morning

Feelings itself are not a prision. But the THOUGHTS about them are! The whole believing-system. Phew!!

Marvellous!

When I ask you "is there 'I'" what comes up for you? What do you experience? Is there any fear or expectation (or both!).

Please don't worry about finding time to do the exercises, I appreciate how busy you are. Just let me know how you are doing when you can.

Love to you xx

[Inkeri]

Hey,
And sorry about the 'brake down' yesterday! Got some stuff out of my mind and heart. These hearings about the cult have been surprisingly hard. Ok now. 💓

Take moments through your day and just sit, tune in to what you are actually experiencing. Try and put it in to words without labels or story. Let me know how you get on.

Stillness, peace and contentement. Silence. Just the clock ticking. Breathing happens. Eyes blink and mouth is dry. All is how it is.

When I ask you "is there 'I'" what comes up for you? What do you experience? Is there any fear or expectation (or both!).

There is still some 'I' left here. Not so dominant as before. There is also fear of unnown. What happens when there is no control? When 'I' am not in control. (Even just a little bit). Even if I know that 'I' can not be in control because it really is not possible, but the believe mechanism is still affecting a bit. It's hard to trust in life. What happens to 'me' or my family if I let 'me' go?... Yes I feel fear... How to let go? How to jump to unnown?

Hugs
Xx

[Bambaji]

Good morning honey

There is still some 'I' left here. Not so dominant as before. There is also fear of unnown. What happens when there is no control? When 'I' am not in control. (Even just a little bit). Even if I know that 'I' can not be in control because it really is not possible, but the believe mechanism is still affecting a bit. It's hard to trust in life. What happens to 'me' or my family if I let 'me' go?... Yes I feel fear... How to let go? How to jump to unnown?

"I" does not necessarily just disappear, maybe not straight away and maybe never. What is looked for is seeing through the illusion. The sense of "I" may show up, but it is no longer believed in.

Whether you trust in life or not is not really important, strange as that may sound. Life will continue regardless, and what is there to trust anyway??! In the same way, life for and with your family will continue, why would it not? It's what has been happening all this time, it's just that you have had the illusion of doing something, being someone, controlling, organising.

Fear has protected you from something in the past, and that has been very valuable. But maybe now that fear is not needed. check it out. Find a quiet time (!) and just sit quietly. Meet your fear, talk to it, ask it what it is protecting you from. Look behind the fear, what is that needs to be protected? What is there? Is there anything there at all? Go gently and with gratitude and love and look. As always, no thinking!!

Sending much love xx

[Inkeri]

Hi Bambaji!

Meet your fear, talk to it, ask it what it is protecting you from. Look behind the fear, what is that needs to be protected? What is there? Is there anything there at all? Go gently and with gratitude and love and look. As always, no thinking!!

I looked and found a fear that 'I' am not enough. That 'I' am not anything if I don't do a lot and earn my value. So I have been trying to control everything and in that way burning my self out.

But... Now that I looked, there is no-one who should earn any points. Life is continuesly evolving and all the peaces in it are equally valuable just the way they are. 'Me, self, I' is absolutely getting smaller. I can see in a way that it does not exist. All this 'in my life' is here where it would be even if 'I' would go away. We are just fysical peaces in worlds creation. Everyone and everything in their appearance are perfect the way they are. This really is a big play ground! Life. Like to a child every day is an adventure. That's also possible to 'me' when I leave all the rubbish out and just enjoy the ride.

I also noticed the other day that when I'm sensing something 'not so pleasant', there becomes an resistance to what is. And that makes me feel bad. It was a good excercise.

Yes, this was good!

Hugs
Xx