In search of no thing

[Focus33]

Hi Gints
I do perceive thoughts and emotions but they are more fluid

what I am observing is that the thoughts are not as dense and have more flow. I don't latch on to
them as I did before.
[quote Can you see the difference between perceiving thoughts, feelings coming-going and "they are more fluid"? Can you perceive fluidity of thoughts, feelings? If yes what it will be? Isn't it another thought-feeling?][/quote]
Yes! it is another thought /feeling. I give it the meaning that it is more fluid or more dense. thoughts are just thoughts.
somehow my mind labels them as fluid or dense good or bad.

Sometimes things come in thought form

The only way I can explain this is out of nowhere the thought comes, nothing was triggered or remembered, but all of a sudden there is this thought that appears.

thoughts and emotions are present it feels as if they put a hook on me

I get involved with the thought and sometimes I see so much time has passed and I am just involved in a thought.

If I ask you to tell from direct perception can you perceive emotions and thoughts in the background or is it imagination-thinking telling?
When thoughts and feelings are there what is wrong with being present? Don't answer what you think. Observe and then report.

I am so attached to the thought that I can not be present. I lose that vast empty space that I have felt before when I am so
involved with the thoughts.
I will have to observe my thoughts again and will be in touch
Sepi

[Gints]

Sepi,

Good, you are doing good. Keep looking. Try to discriminate between what you perceive, observe and what you think. You should be very attentive because time distance is very short between perception and thought and unconscious patterns so quick. Labelling machine is doing its job.

I am so attached to the thought that I can not be present. I lose that vast empty space that I have felt before

Please take a close look at what have you written.
Who is attached to the thought? In direct observation can you find someone attached to thought? If yes then what is it? Tell me. Try to observe this attachment, can you find it? Is it not feeling of tension somewhere in body...? and later thoughts label it as an attachment.
Find by yourself. It is your job. It is not an easy one, but if you are there then do your best. Don't be careless, look as if your life depends on it.

[Focus33]

Hi Gints,

Who is attached to the thought? In direct observation can you find someone attached to thought? If yes then what is it? Tell me

I really don't know who is attached to the thought. When I look there is no one there yet I am convinced that there must have been a me to have come to this conclusion. I know this sounds silly. Conceptually I understand, experimentally too I observe that there is no one there.

Who is attached to the thought?

Am I saying this because it has been my habit/conditioning?
Am I scared to realize that there is really no one ? What is holding me back to let go?
I will write again tomorrow and share with you what how my investigations are going.
Thanks
sepi

[Gints]

Sepi,

When I look there is no one there yet I am convinced that there must have been a me to have come to this conclusion.

Examine this conviction. Look at it and find what is it? Is it not a thought and feeling somewhere in the body? Thought telling something like "I am convinced it should be so". Is it not only thought of "I" + sensation/feeling? Try hard to find something apart from this. If you can't find then there is nothing else. It is so simple. Only our conditioning and belief system are telling us it should be something "very spiritual". Don't take my words as true so you only can create new belief what is a thought again. Examine by yourself.
Examine beliefs. Are they not only thoughts coming-going and nothing else.
Examine "must". What is it? Is it not only belief system doing her job? And what is a belief system? Is it not thoughts again occasionally accompanied by feelings? What are feelings? Are they not only sensations/tensions in the body? Can you find thinker and feeler or there are only thoughts, feelings coming-going freely?
Examine conclusion. Can you find someone concluding or all is seen is thoughts and again thoughts? Can you find "concluder"?
Observe. look, observe....
P.S. Find a quiet place and enough free time to contemplate this.

[Focus33]

Hi Gints,
Thanks for your guidance. tonight I will sit in a quite place and will observe me.
I will write tomorrow to let you know what has cleared up for me.
Sepi

[Focus33]

Hi Gints,
There is an empty space behind all these thoughts and emotions
There is no judgement just an empty space. There is no me but stillness!
I don't know how else to discribe it. There is the potential of any thing yet there is nothing.
Maybe even there is no potential and I gave that opinion to it to describe it to explain how
I observed it. Life just is.
Gints I could totally experience two realities. I don't know what to make of it or is there to make something of.
Sepi

[Focus33]

Hi Gints,
I can't find your last post. I will try again later.
Last night before going to sleep I had the biggest revelation!
Everything I am experiencing are my thoughts! there is nothing but thoughts. My reality is my thoughts.
I am so dumbfounded. what an amazing experience to actually see that I am my thoughts. my surroundings are my
thoughts. my past are just thoughts. everything is thoughts.
Sepi

[Gints]

Sepi,

Brilliant! I am so glad for you! Just take your time and keep looking.
One tiny question. Is "I" not only thought also? Has it been something else anytime earlier?

what an amazing experience to actually see that I am my thoughts

Can you find "I" apart from thought telling "I I I I I"

P.S. My previous post is not important anymore.

[Focus33]

Hi Gints,
Thanks for all your help.
What a difference in perspective!
Yes! Even I is a thought. I am too,a thought:)
Sepi

[Gints]

Sepi,

Nice.
Can you please elaborate a little.
You wrote, "I am a thought". What do you mean by this?

[Focus33]

Hi Gints,
I just don't know how to explain my experience. All I can say is
Every moment of my life was a thought. It never happened.
I wish my English was better to explain it. I am still trying to grasp what happened.
I relieved some moments in my life knowing full well that I am my thoughts and every event was only a thought.
I don't know how to describe what happened to me. The only thing I can say is it felt as if my thoughts had super imposed and became the reality that I was sure existed. In my experience I was very aware that none of it was real and it was just a thought.
Sepi

[Gints]

Sepi,

What we are doing here is investigating the notion of separate self, called, "I". So, I will ask you to accomplish the following task:
I would ask you to carry out one short and easy experiment. Place yourself comfortably and start to observe. Observe everything for 5 min. Don't do anything else. Only observe. As soon as you are done with it write me back what have you observed.

[Focus33]

Hi Gints,
I will have to do the experiment tomorrow.
Sepi
I will be in touch as soon as I observe something
Sepi

[Focus33]

Hi Gints,
What was observed is the mingling of mind machine
And thoughts. Looking at objects and mind machine coming up with an opinion or catching the train of thoughts and
Going with it.
Maybe I don't understand the notion of seperate I .
please help me understand.
Sepi

[Gints]

Sepi,

What was observed is the mingling of mind machine

Have you noticed labelling process? Look around and see what's happening. Everything is labelled. Do you do this or is it happening on automatic? Can you stop labelling?

After looking around turn attention inwards. Look at emotions. Can you notice how emotions are being labelled, good, bad, pleasant, unpleasant? Isn't it the same as with supposedly outside world? Can you see where attention goes labelling follows? Are you driving attention, are you doing labelling? Can you stop doing this or it stops or goes on on its own? Can you find doer of all this stuff?