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[algirdas]

Hi,

my name is Algirdas, 20 years old. I am from Lithuania. Unfortunately, my English skills are not too good. Because of that, I'll write briefly.

Until 17-18 years old, I was a regular person, I mean my identification with "my self" was really strong as I remember. And I was a shy person with complexes. I wasn't happy with my current psychological state and social life, so I wanted to change.
It all started as an attempt to improve myself, to reduce my fears. Soon I found stories about enlightenment and hooked up. The search begun and it lasted about 1-1,5 years without visible results. However, even in that time there were some glimpses of something real but they wouldn't last long and soon would be lost in a mix of thoughts.

Soon I felt that whatever I am looking for should be in this moment. I also understood the power of an honest inquiry. I begun question this moment like "what if it's the best moment possible?" and when I found some info about a "no-me" perspective, I started to question that too. It was very clear that this is it, that I do not need any other method anymore cause a non-personal perspective is the root of the life, existence.

What happened, what changed?

Only a recognition that there is no me. The outside world became more clear, it's like there is a looking without a looker. It seems that the things look a little bit different, still the same.
Also there is an understanding, that it is a natural way to look at the world, at least much better than from personal view. It's not even an understanding or felling it's simply the case, the reality.

[algirdas]

Waiting for the questions.

[algirdas]

Hey guys, I would like to get a permission to access other sections of this forum.

Usually you ask these questions:
1. Is there a "me," at all, anywhere, in any way, shape, or form? Was there ever?
2. Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts, and how it works.
3. How does it feel to see this?
4. How would you describe it to somebody who is very interested but has never heard about this illusion?

1. No, there is no me and never was.
2. The illusion of separate self is like a shadow, it feels very real. It's so real because we believe in our thoughts. But here I see one more thing: the illusion of self is like a "default setting" of our minds and because of that believing in thoughts happens automatically (I think that "default setting" is a thought too). I am calling it "default setting" because that after you see an illusion of self, you also see that any thought or feeling never was an obstacle. So, the content of thoughts or feelings is not a problem. The problem is that somehow it is believed, but I really cannot know for sure how it happens.
3. Feels great. I feel pleasant emotions, relaxation, plus everything seems much more clearer than before. But it's not that I feel one kind of emotions, actually I feel the unpleasant ones too, but they come and fade away in their own time.
4. That's a hard question. To me, the "no me" pointer is the most accurate. If the people were really interested, I would try to point to it from the start. I would also emphasize the simplicity of this, honesty too. I would try to bring all this from "magical" level to everyday life's reality.
Well, you can try to point to "ego's" logical mistakes but it can lead to nowhere. Cause I believe that any thought is kind of irrelevant.

[Ingen]

Hi algirdas,

welcome to LU!

May I ask - What is your motivation to "access to the other sections of the forum"?

It sounds very much like you see there is no self - at least you answer the questions correctly :).

Would you give us some real life examples like:

- what happens when you get hungry, decide to get yourself a sandwich and choose a cheese-tomato sandwich.
Who gets hungry, who is making the decision what to eat?

- somebody is being rude to you, completely unjustified. How do you react, and why?

[algirdas]

Reading the content related to "no me" helps me to remember to keep my attention in it. I mean I sometimes lose the motivation to deepen this perspective and old mind patterns come back. However, the recognition of this simple reality that there is no me is very simple and effortless and after it happens you clearly understand that it was only a mind. However, the fact remains: some kind of difference between states "me" and "no me" sometimes still is.
Plus, I do not refuse a possibility to share this knowledge to others, at least in my native language cause right know my English needs improvement in order to communicate better.

- what happens when you get hungry, decide to get yourself a sandwich and choose a cheese-tomato sandwich.
Who gets hungry, who is making the decision what to eat?

There is no one to make a decision. I am not saying that the decision on what to eat comes automatically(well, in a way yes, but not absolutely). You can decide what to eat, think which product is more delicious, but there is no one to whom this decision belongs. It's simply a decision.
Hunger also simply comes. And it belongs to nobody nor it's says something about me. Cause there is no me.

- somebody is being rude to you, completely unjustified. How do you react, and why?

Even if somebody is being very rude to me, it does bother me much less than before, sometimes it doesn't bother me at all. It's like I see I have nothing to protect from anybody. But it doesn't mean I don't care. It seems that I understand such situations much more clearly and I can react whatever I choose. If I see that somebody is being too rude with no reason I can try to protect "my position" but I'll not be involved in the situation emotionally. Yes, emotions can come (not necessary) but if they does, they don't have much power over "me".
I also understand that people usually being rude because they have a picture of themselves and they think that they are it and need to protect it. From this perspective people does not react accordingly to the situation and it's not really their fault. And because of that I would react calmly and would try not to hurt other people feelings (unless I would see that being rude and talking strictly could help them in some way).

[Eloratea]

Hello Algirdas,

And because of that I would react calmly and would try not to hurt other people feelings (unless I would see that being rude and talking strictly could help them in some way).

If there is no you to decide, can you explain how do you know what reaction will arise in any particular situation?

[algirdas]

If there is no you to decide, can you explain how do you know what reaction will arise in any particular situation?

Didn't understand your question clearly. Whose reaction: mine or other people?

[Eloratea]

yours :)

[algirdas]

You can never be sure how you'll react.
But still there is some kind of "no me background" which makes all situations "the same". Every feeling and situation is unique and different but it feels the same too.
And yes, you're right there is no me to decide. What comes, that comes. And similar thoughts like "I have a freedom to decide and so on" are believed just in mental level. These thoughts just comes and goes. They do not point to nothing real.

[algirdas]

Now I see that sometimes it was me seeing "no me". While it wasn't ultimately untrue but still some kind of "layer of me" was attached. But everything is more simple than that. There never was "me" to know that there is "no me" in the first place.

[Eloratea]

Thank you for the answers.
When confirmation procedure is over, your color will be changed to blue and you will have access to the unleashed part of the forum.
Here is also link for one document: http://liberationunleashed.com/PDF/Awakened.pdf

Regards!

[Eloratea]

Algirdas,
you are welcome now also to join the Unleashed group on FB:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/200033776715393/
You can send request, just let us know here or send me by pm your FB name.

Be well!

[algirdas]

Thanks :) Request sent.