A gift

[Tescher]

I can experience drawing images and ideas about myself from my past.

[Tescher]

I think that's experience. What do u think Damon? Is drawing upon our past, our memories, and experience? Or simply an explanation?

[Damon Kamda]

Thoughts occur within my being and travel around with my body. Sort of like, where my body goes, my thoughts also go.

Ok, slow down. Take some time to explore this further. You say that thoughts take place within the body. Can you describe the experience of the body? How does what you call your body show up in experience?

It's wild because the only experience I can see upon looking is what I am aware of. I explain "i" based on knowledge but not experience

Yes, it IS wild!

I can experience drawing images and ideas about myself from my past

I think that's experience. What do u think Damon? Is drawing upon our past, our memories, and experience? Or simply an explanation?

Well, look for yourself. Why don't you take some time to actually do this. Get some pen and paper and write down ideas and images about your self.

Don't hold yourself back.

What do these words and images on paper refer to? Do they refer at all?

[Tescher]

I'll take some time with this. I never actually said the thoughts came from within my body but from an experience perspective, I describe myself kind of like that of a shark. Sharks never stop moving. On the surface that seems amazing but in explaining myself, that is the only way I can explain myself thru experience. My thoughts and body never stop moving.

[Tescher]

There is no me I can go back to that will always be the same. Ever!!

[Tescher]

I could look in the mirror and use words I have learned thru out my life to explain what I see.

[Damon Kamda]

I'm having some difficulty following you, Tescher.

I never actually said the thoughts came from within my body but from an experience perspective

Can you explain what you are trying to say here?

There is no me I can go back to that will always be the same. Ever!!

Ok, so that self that is ever moving, always changing: what is that?

I could look in the mirror and use words I have learned thru out my life to explain what I see.

Good ideas. Let me know what comes up when you do this.

[Tescher]

I never actually said the thoughts came from within my body but from an experience perspective


Can you explain what you are trying to say here?

thru experience there is no body to hold thoughts.

i was taught and told, thru out my life, that the brain inside my head holds my thoughts, but that is not my experience

Ok, so that self that is ever moving, always changing: what is that?

an experience of the senses

I could look in the mirror and use words I have learned thru out my life to explain what I see.

Good ideas. Let me know what comes up when you do this

i see all the things about me that have been taught and explained to me. if i was a newborn baby i would only experience my reflection

that seems much more honest

[Damon Kamda]

thru experience there is no body to hold thoughts.

i was taught and told, thru out my life, that the brain inside my head holds my thoughts, but that is not my experience

What is your experience, then? Where do thoughts come from? Where do thoughts take place?

i see all the things about me that have been taught and explained to me. if i was a newborn baby i would only experience my reflection

that seems much more honest

What is it that is reflected in the mirror, though? In the image that is seen in the mirror, can you pinpoint where exactly the you that you say is reflected is?

It seems that you see that all the stories and ideas there are about our self is not what you are. The question then is, what remains?

If you take away all the notions and narratives, what in the image in the mirror is you?

Just a quick reminder that I'll be traveling the coming days, so responses might be fewer. Happy holidays!

[Tescher]

What is your experience, then? Where do thoughts come from? Where do thoughts take place?

thoughts are derived thru and in experience while the experience is happening

What is it that is reflected in the mirror, though?

"an experience of memories"

In the image that is seen in the mirror, can you pinpoint where exactly the you that you say is reflected is?

No

It seems that you see that all the stories and ideas there are about our self is not what you are. The question then is, what remains?

nothing but experience

If you take away all the notions and narratives, what in the image in the mirror is you?

nothing in the image is me, i see only the story of me, only the memory

[Damon Kamda]

But earlier you mentioned the body and its relation to thoughts. I want to look at that in some more detail.

where my body goes, my thoughts also go

and

a physical body with the ability to see, smell, touch, feel and hear. and a mind that deciphers information constantly based on my past conditioning

Can you describe, in a bit more detail, the actual experience of a physical body?

What is it that is experiencing a physical body? How is this known?

How does the body relate to thoughts exactly?

nothing in the image is me, i see only the story of me, only the memory

What is it that is seeing the story of you, the memories?

[Tescher]

Can you describe, in a bit more detail, the actual experience of a physical body

No. There is nothing to describe

What is it that is experiencing a physical body? How is this known?

Nothing, therefore nothing is known.

How does the body relate to thoughts exactly?

It doesn't.

What is it that is seeing the story of you, the memories?

The conditioned separate self

[Damon Kamda]

You're gonna have to give me a bit more than these short enigmatic aphorisms. I'm not going to be able to guide you if you keep responding in this manner.

[Tescher]

the answers that are provided are based on experience, do you want my experience or an explanation based on my past conditioning?

whether you choose to help or guide me thru this process is completely up to you, i can only answer the questions truthfully based on my experience


I understand what this is not.........

This is not a way to escape your daily life.
This is not about gaining something extra, becoming something special.
This is not about cultivating an altered state of consciousness.
This isn’t a trick of the mind, or twisting the mind into believing certain thoughts.
This is not about gaining a particular bit of knowledge.
This is not about having a certain thought or sequence of thoughts.
This is not about becoming a holy, good, moral or better person.
This is not a belief, religion, or a philosophy, it not magical or mystical.
This is not going to lead you to eternal peace and happiness, it is not about happiness.
This is not about freedom from emotions and intense feelings.
This is not about getting rid of self, ego, I.
This is not a solution to problems in relationships.
This is not a way to get free of depression or other diseases.
This is not about stopping thoughts, changing thoughts, getting rid of thoughts.
This is not a way to make the story of you disappear.
This is not about convincing you of anything.
This is not something that will lead to accumulation of money or things.
This is not a self improvement program.

I am not interested in any of these things, i am completely void of any expectation

[Damon Kamda]

the answers that are provided are based on experience, do you want my experience or an explanation based on my past conditioning?

The invitation here is to be ruthlessly honest.

When you say that there is nothing to describe when you mention the physical body several times, that strikes me as odd.

I'm asking g you to describe your experience. In everyday, conventional, human, conditioned terms and concepts. Are you familiar with that frame of reference?

Do you understand what I'm asking you to do?

With that in mind, could you take a look at these questions again:

Can you describe, in a bit more detail, the actual experience of a physical body

What is it that is experiencing a physical body? How is this known?

How does the body relate to thoughts exactly?

What is it that is seeing the story of you, the memories?

And in posing these questions, the point is not to elicit an answer straight away. It's not a quiz or exam. What we are interested in is in getting your thought process out in the open. That is why these short, pithy answers are not helpful here.

Let me know if anything is unclear, ok?