I am seeking an experienced nondual guide !

[jayjay2]

"does the body experience sensations and thought?

Yes, the body experiences sensations like crying etc and touch.

However, I think thought happens outside the body?

is the "body" just another thought label for sensations (namely tactile & kinesthetic)?"

Yes, I would say the body is thought label for sensations.

Thank you,
Jay

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Hi Jay,

Yes, the body experiences sensations like crying etc and touch.

Do you think YOU are in the body? Can you find yourself in the body?
If not, how can the body ITSELF experience sensations?
Could the body just be a name/label for sensations that are felt?

Thank you, Dyann

[jayjay2]

Do you think YOU are in the body? Can you find yourself in the body?

I don't think I am in the body. I am outside the body as spacious awareness.

If not, how can the body ITSELF experience sensations?

Well, I know I am not the body. However, the body feels sensations.

I don't see how someone could say the body does not feel sensations. If it is cold the body get's goosebump or if hot it sweats. So, it sweats. Now awareness is aware of all this.

Could the body just be a name/label for sensations that are felt?

I don't entirely understand this question. But yes the body could be the name for sensations that are felt.

But in your question "sensations that are felt" so you are saying oneone of something feels sensations. So, who is feeling the sensations.

I would say the awareness feels the sensations through the boday.

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Hi Jay,

I would say the awareness feels the sensations through the body.

So would you say then that the "body" just another thought label for sensations (namely tactile & kinesthetic)?

If so, we can proceed.

Thanks, Dyann

[jayjay2]

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So would you say then that the "body" just another thought label for sensations (namely tactile & kinesthetic)?

Yes, I would agree with that.

Thanks,
Jay

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Thank you Jay!

Do you have any doubts at all about seeing through the illusion of the separate self?

Best, Dyann

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Hi Jay,

Just checking back in. We are very close -- please remember the agreement to post daily if possible, k?

Do you have any doubts at all about seeing through the illusion of the separate self?

Thank you, Dyann

[jayjay2]

Hi Dyann,

I'm sorry. I thought I was waiting for you. I thought maybe you were on vacation. I get alot of junk mail. Also, I feel strange posting this on your website but my mother has been battling cancer for the last 2 years. She has been given only 30 days so my schedule is not my own. I don't know who is reading this but I still believe in prayer so prayers for my mother and family are most appreciated.

Do you have any doubts at all about seeing through the illusion of the separate self?

I don't think I have any illusion about that. My understanding is there is a body here. But it is just a bodily organism and it is not the true me. The true me is a spacious, open awareness which is unlimited.

I think this body organism is make up of the sub, sub atomic particles which the entire universe is made of and these subatomic particles are really awareness. They are made of the same one true nondual nameless thing which is not an object.

So, there is no separate self. It is just ignorance that holds on to this illusion. I am one with everything. Unlimited, everything going out into all directions in all dimensions

Best wishes,

Ja

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Hi Jay,

I am so sorry to hear about your mother. I will pray for you and your family -- much love to you all at this difficult time.

Please take all the time you need to answer these final questions:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there
ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from
your own experience. Describe it fully as you seeit now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How
does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
6) Anything to add?

[jayjay2]

Hi Dyann,

I had a few bad weeks. I can hardly right what has happened. But I would just like to continue with the questions.
Thank you all for your prayers and love.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there
ever?

Well there is a body. But that is not really me. I am source, awareness without this source the body organism would not be animated. Your question was there ever. Yes, this body was born. But it is not me. I am spirit, God, awareness etc.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from
your own experience. Describe it fully as you seeit now.

Well, because of the way we are born and conditioned we think we are a separate self. The illusion is that I am separate from others and the absolute or awareness. I am not. I am the absolute, the source of all that is. I am made up of the same thing and what looks out of my eyes looks out of everyones eyes.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.

It feel good to know that I am the source that all is. I mean I know that but most times I am not in touch with it.
But since the person who is answering this question is real with everything. I guess I do realize who I am.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

I didn't realize I had a milestone. But if I did that is great. I'm just starting to identify with something outside of myself being in charge? It doesn't feel like command central is in my head. It feels like it is diffused out in the space around me.

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How
does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

These questions I still have difficulty with.

As far as decsion this body organism doesn't make them. I think awareness makes decsions. I guess the awareness make the intentions, has the free will, choices and control.

The things that make things happen is my awareness. I'm not sure how it works. There is awareness which is source. It is God so it makes choices.

I think I still need help and have lots of questions.

Thanks,
Jay







6) Anything to add?

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Hi Jay,

Sorry you have been having such a difficult time and thank you for making the effort to continue the self inquiry.

I think awareness makes decsions. I guess the awareness make the intentions, has the free will, choices and control.

Awareness is simply aware of whatever is happening. It has no judgements or preferences. So lets look instead of guessing about free will, choice and control. Can you find a "you" that does any of that? Or is it all just happening -- perhaps as conditioning, habits, patterns or what might be considered 'your nature'?

Thank you, Dyann

[jayjay2]

Hi Dyann,


Awareness is simply aware of whatever is happening. It has no judgements or preferences. So lets look instead of guessing about free will, choice and control.

Can you find a "you" that does any of that? Or is it all just happening -- perhaps as conditioning, habits, patterns or what might be considered 'your nature'?

Is awareness similar to God? It has no preferences? If that is true what is the point of being God. I mean when you think of God you think he could have whatever he prefers? I don't really understand the nature of awareness. If you can expand on that is would be of interest.

I can find a you that makes decisions. But it seems like this great big infinite space behind me makes the decisions.
I thought awareness made decisions by acting through me. Is this not correct.

Yes it make sense that the decisions made are based on conditioning as a child, habits develped ie. my nature.

Could it be a combination of both my nature and this spacious awareness working through me that makes decisions?

Thanks,

Jay

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Is awareness similar to God?

God is a concept.

It has no preferences?

Awareness includes and accepts all. It is beyond duality.

If that is true what is the point of being God.

What if there were no point?

I don't really understand the nature of awareness

It is what is looking out of your eyes right now. With no thought about what it sees.

I can find a you that makes decisions.

There is no "you" in any shape or form --- so how can something that does not exist make a decision?

I thought awareness made decisions by acting through me.

What if its all just happening?

Yes it make sense that the decisions made are based on conditioning as a child, habits develped ie. my nature.

Might it be more precise to say that these are more habitual reactions as opposed to actual decisions?

If there is no 'you' --- there is no one deciding anything. There is no decider or chooser. Do you get that?

SO now, please answer the final question:

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How
does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Thank you, Dyann

[jayjay2]

God is a concept.

Is awareness a concept too? I guess it is. Isn’t everything a concept because we can’t really define awareness with our words.
Is there anything that is not a concept? I would guess the only thing that is not a concept is
The think we can’t name or define. I suppose that would be the only thing that wouldn’t be concept. If you were going to give it a name it would be say the absolute like the TAO you can’t name it.

What if there were no point?

It would be a little scary. You feel like life has no purpose. I grew up thinking there was a kind of loving God looking out for me. But there could be a loving kind and had no purpose too.
But on the other hand I’m God in this nonduality thing. If there is just 1 thing I am part of that one big awareness and If I’m part of that then I must love myself which is this manifestation this manifested Jay is my creation so I will love him. I’m God so I can choose to love this little manifested Jay.
Do you think awareness loves itself. That may be a question nobody knows. But it is me. Right. Not this little mind body here. But my ultimate reality.

There is no "you" in any shape or form --- so how can something that does not exist make a decision?

There is no body organism yes I understand that is independent on its own. It can’t make a decision. But can’t awareness make the decisions and act through this body mind organism called Jay.
I don’t understand there in no me in any shape. There is something typing. It is mostly made of nothingness but still something holds it together. That something I thought was awareness. Now without awareness there would be no typing no body organism. I thought that awareness was making decisions through this body organism.

What if its all just happening?

By what power? Doesn’t the unmanifest or awareness make it all happen? It may not have a reason but isn’t awareness the cause of what is happening?

Might it be more precise to say that these are more habitual reactions as opposed to actual decisions?

Yes I would agree with "more"

If there is no 'you' --- there is no one deciding anything. There is no decider or chooser. Do you get that?

I don’t get that there is no me. Let me explain what I think it is. There is no mind, body that I think I am so there is no me as I understand it. The me is awareness. I just kind of stepped into awareness and noticed little Jay, mind body typing. That is not me. I’m the awareness observing Jay. Isn’t that correct? Now isn’t this awareness which is not the little Jay, mind, body I’m observing typing now. Isn’t this awareness able to act through Jay? If not what does awareness do? Does it have power?

Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How
does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

I’m really not sure but let me try and come up with what I understand so far.
This mind body organism called Jay which is not me. The thought comes up to go to movie. The thought pop up because of conditioning now how make choice of which movie to see? Yes it is conditioning to decide what movie to see ( But is seems like the thing outside of James this big spacious spiritual awareness can be part of the decision)
Let’s say I have to balance my check book. Well there I have to use math. Those thoughts aren’t just popping into my head like oh go see a movie.
Here I realized I had to balance check book and I had the intention of using math to make that happen. Now some kind of intelligence did that? That could be this body mind organism with has been trained. I see that. But couldn’t the awareness part of the true me be part of that? In otherwords there would even be this illusion if it wasn’t for awarenesss right. In other words the spirit of awareness gives this body mind organism the ability to be an illusion.
Would this illusion exist without awareness? I would guess no.

Thanks,
Jay

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I am so sorry for the delay. I have had some medical issues come up. I am going to ask another guide to pick it up from here. I am so sorry Jay --- it truly has been a pleasure working with you. Dyann