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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:44 pm

So, when does the ‘memory’ actually appear?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?.
was asked a question "what do u want" that thought appeaerd in AE the answer came right out as sound and an expection thought at same time then asked a queston about an activity today that was voiced yesterday.so a thought to retreive conversation appeared .then just waited and a partial answer appeared and with a lil prompting from wife quicklythoughts appeared and were voiced.now asked a 33yr old memory. Waited feeling sensation in solar plexas.thoughts appearin quickly one after another after twenty seconds a though appeared that was most likly. It was wrong after being told a thought apeared "oh yeah now i remember"which was bs story. Bottom line sometimes fast and sometimes just waitng for thought to appear from nowhere in AE. 2nd part of q below
It confirms what happened by athought or thought image then a thought appears again and again providing more proof to solidify the focused thought.sometimes a little thought movie is quickly played to relive the memory thought further providing solidity to memory.all that
appears in AE is thoughts appearing and pointing and sensation of fear WAIT!fear was a thought "idont remember i will look incompetent "appearin in AE very quickly. So it is just thoughts appearing in response to a more focused thought wich appears over and over again in AE. (The focus thought appears over and over again) should be a thought of intent appearing it seem ill look some more.on to next set of questions
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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:49 pm

- Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
- Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
- Can you predict your next thought?
- Can you push away any thought?
- Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
- Can you stop thinking a thought in the middle?
- Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
- Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
- Is it possible to control any thoughts?
- Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing? Including the thought 'I'?.
#1 been looking for a couple of hours off and on thoughts appear inAE then the thought "i "confirmed that it initiated thought EVERY TIME thots were coming up over and or non stop some caused a reaction most didnt and "i" thought claimed the action every time afterward sometimes emediatly after
#2NO.only time was when loud sound appeared inAE or attention pulled sharply away.So to be clear i couldnt do it it just happened automatically
#3i can have "i will think peaches "or whatever and there is no control.Thots just appear randomly even when i tryto be an "i"trying to think a thot is just another damn thot
#4 no that would just be another thot.crazyto even think that thot now.been trying for a long time crzy making
#5 no except maybe with positive or ngative program operating some how. That seems fake somehow because its a program it cant be you anymore hmmm.... that is all thoughts appearing.so answer is NO
#6No way to fast like now.so no way so far to stop one.would need a faster thot to do so haha
#7no again way to fast to stop like instantaneously so no way
#8when i say "i pick _____? A thought appears out of nowhere to fill in the blank everytime so no I PICK initiates an actual anything
#9that would be a thought trying and then claiming a thought appearing as a result.so just thoughts spinning around inAE
# 10 NO NO NO that would be another i thought doing it apparently like infinite regression iiiiiiiiiii
Now to last part on second q

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:03 pm

. - It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?
only sequence is a thot appearing throughout and after claiming recognition of planning or solving an issue
More to look at this afternoon and maybe change or add to these answers
I love this looking so much thank you so much for ur pointing Kay
Warm loving thoughts Allen

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby forgetmenot » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:46 pm

Hey Allen,

I will address the memory questions first to make sure that the concept of 'memory' is clear. I don't want to add too much to the conversation at the one time.
So, when does the ‘memory’ actually appear?
was asked a question "what do u want" that thought appeaerd in AE the answer came right out as sound and an expection thought at same time then asked a queston about an activity today that was voiced yesterday.so a thought to retreive conversation appeared .then just waited and a partial answer appeared and with a lil prompting from wife quicklythoughts appeared and were voiced. now asked a 33yr old memory. Waited feeling sensation in solar plexas.thoughts appearin quickly one after another after twenty seconds a though appeared that was most likly. It was wrong after being told a thought apeared "oh yeah now i remember"which was bs story. Bottom line sometimes fast and sometimes just waitng for thought to appear from nowhere in AE. 2nd part of q below
So it was clearly seen that the story appearing ABOUT something that happened “33 years ago” is actually appearing NOW?

The ‘memory’ thought/stories/mental images are appearing NOW. The thought/mental image of eating an ice-cream yesterday is it appearing NOW – the very ‘moment’ the thought and mental image appear.


Where is the evidence that ‘eating an ice-cream’ happened yesterday? Because an appearing thought said so?
What is the AE of 'past' ie yesterday, a minute ago, last night, 2 years ago, 66 years ago and so on?

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?
It confirms what happened by athought or thought image then a thought appears again and again providing more proof to solidify the focused thought.sometimes a little thought movie is quickly played to relive the memory thought further providing solidity to memory.all that
appears in AE is thoughts appearing and pointing and sensation of fear WAIT!fear was a thought "idont remember i will look incompetent "appearin in AE very quickly. So it is just thoughts appearing in response to a more focused thought wich appears over and over again in AE. (The focus thought appears over and over again) should be a thought of intent appearing it seem ill look some more.on to next set of questions
Yes! It is only a thought labels a thought/story as a ‘memory’!
Really nice LOOKING Allen and to pick up on seeing the very quick thought “I don’t remember I will look incompetent” is great. We are adept at noticing the ‘loud’ thoughts but not so adept at noticing the secondary subtle and/or automatic thoughts that run in the background or that seemingly ‘follow’ the ‘loud’ thoughts.

How is it known that some thoughts are more focused than other thoughts, or that they repeat themselves…because another thought said so?


Let’s have a look at the AE of ‘fear’.

The label ‘fear’ is the AE of thought and not the AE of fear.
The sensation labelled ‘fear’ is the AE of sensation and not the AE of fear
The colour/image labelled ‘body/Allen’ is the AE of colour/image and not the AE of a body/person experiencing fear.

Have a LOOK at this very carefully. So what is actually appearing is thought + sensation + colour/image (thoughtsensationcolour), and a thought story ABOUT fear (ie "I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent"). Can you see this?

Also have a look at the idea that a thought can cause fear. That means that there are 3 'things' - a far cry from no separation! There is a thought (cause) that is creating fear (effect) and that there is someone that is feeling the effect!

Much love,
Kay
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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:27 am

. So it was clearly seen that the story appearing ABOUT something that happened “33 years ago” is actually appearing NOW?
absolutely correct

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:29 am

. Where is the evidence that ‘eating an ice-cream’ happened yesterday? Because an appearing thought said so?
What is the AE of 'past' ie yesterday, a minute ago, last night, 2 years ago, 66 years ago and so on?
yes cuz thought said so and AE is thought appearing now only

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:36 am

. How is it known that some thoughts are more focused than other thoughts, or that they repeat themselves…because another thought said so?
they seem to repeat themselves over and over and so YES Only a thought said so.though it seems persistent and that a thought also appearing now in AE.crap

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:24 am

. Have a LOOK at this very carefully. So what is actually appearing is thought + sensation + colour/image (thoughtsensationcolour), and a thought story ABOUT fear (ie "I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent"). Can you see this
much thought swirling around this.and yes i can see this after much looking. Second question much harder.the AE of color image labeled allen/body is appearing in AE along with sensation appearing in AE then super fast thought appeared as explaining sensation as the thought fear.so fear label is content, allen /body label is content,and thought story is content.what's AE is colorimagesensation and many thoughts appearing. Seems something not seen. Still looking

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:54 am

. Have a LOOK at this very carefully. So what is actually appearing is thought + sensation + colour/image (thoughtsensationcolour), and a thought story ABOUT fear (ie "I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent"). Can you see this?
now see hopefully.Story thought is really appearing in AE.content is make believe.only thoughts that point to color image sense sound taste r valid everything else is not AE,as it is layers of meaning by thought over itself and only last thought now is really AE. Shit astounding is the thought appearing now. Really want to see this Kay
Warm loving thoughts Allen

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby forgetmenot » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:18 am

Hi Allen,
So it was clearly seen that the story appearing ABOUT something that happened “33 years ago” is actually appearing NOW?
absolutely correct
Terrific!
Where is the evidence that ‘eating an ice-cream’ happened yesterday? Because an appearing thought said so?
What is the AE of 'past' ie yesterday, a minute ago, last night, 2 years ago, 66 years ago and so on?
yes cuz thought said so and AE is thought appearing now only
Spot on!
How is it known that some thoughts are more focused than other thoughts, or that they repeat themselves…because another thought said so?
they seem to repeat themselves over and over and so YES Only a thought said so.though it seems persistent and that a thought also appearing now in AE.crap
LOL! See how thought just keeps the wheels spinning! When thought is seen for what it is…then thought ‘loses its power’! Not that it had any power in the first place…as that is just an appearing thought as well! :)
Have a LOOK at this very carefully. So what is actually appearing is thought + sensation + colour/image (thoughtsensationcolour), and a thought story ABOUT fear (ie "I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent"). Can you see this?
now see hopefully.Story thought is really appearing in AE.content is make believe.only thoughts that point to color image sense sound taste r valid everything else is not AE,as it is layers of meaning by thought over itself and only last thought now is really AE. Shit astounding is the thought appearing now. Really want to see this Kay
Okay…so next time a thought appears and a sensation labelled ‘fear’ seemingly arises with it. Stop and LOOK. Then break it down. This can be done with any emotion that appears.

Let’s look at the thought “I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent”.

Does the thought “I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent” in any way suggest that it knows anything about being fearful or incompetent?
Can the thought “I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent” feel fear or feel incompetent?

Does the sensation labelled as ‘fear’ suggest in any way that it knows anything about being fearful or incompetent? Does it suggest in any way that it is ‘fear’?

Does the colour/image labelled as body/Allen suggest in any way that it knows anything about fear, sensation, incompetence, Allen or body?


Much love,
Kay
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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:43 am

. Does the thought “I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent” in any way suggest that it knows anything about being fearful or incompetent?
Can the thought “I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent” feel fear or feel incompetent?

Does the sensation labelled as ‘fear’ suggest in any way that it knows anything about being fearful or incompetent? Does it suggest in any way that it is ‘fear’?
No thought cant feel any thing it is barely even appearing long enough to see.and sensation cant know it is just appearing as sensation and still some thought about location in body appearing.have to keep looking and seeing body/image Allen as colorimage in AE.now for last part of q

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:51 am

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Does the colour/image labelled as body/Allen suggest in any way that it knows anything about fear, sensation, incompetence, Allen or body
No it can only be seen inAE ascolor image and the thoughts appearing r rampant around this seeing.
Im heading to an appt in a few min will be back to answer q in three hours if one appears hopefully
Very warm thoughts kay
Allen

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby forgetmenot » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:16 am

Hey Allen!
Does the thought “I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent” in any way suggest that it knows anything about being fearful or incompetent?
Can the thought “I am feeling fearful because I might look incompetent” feel fear or feel incompetent?
Does the sensation labelled as ‘fear’ suggest in any way that it knows anything about being fearful or incompetent? Does it suggest in any way that it is ‘fear’?
No thought cant feel any thing it is barely even appearing long enough to see.and sensation cant know it is just appearing as sensation and still some thought about location in body appearing.have to keep looking and seeing body/image Allen as colorimage in AE.now for last part of q
Great! We will be taking a look at the body a little later on. But yes, just keep LOOKING! Keep breaking stories down and seeing what is actually appearing.

Thoughts will appear saying lots of stuff…but does thought know anything? Is thought aware of anything? Can you pick and choose what thoughts appear?
Does the colour/image labelled as body/Allen suggest in any way that it knows anything about fear, sensation, incompetence, Allen or body
No it can only be seen inAE ascolor image and the thoughts appearing r rampant around this seeing.
Yes and are those rampant thoughts just seen as thoughts that are appearing, and are just pointing to more thought stories?
- Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
#1 been looking for a couple of hours off and on thoughts appear inAE then the thought "i "confirmed that it initiated thought EVERY TIME thots were coming up over and or non stop some caused a reaction most didnt and "i" thought claimed the action every time afterward sometimes emediatly after
Thoughts appear AS AE. It is experience (aka awareness/Universe/God – whatever terminology you use) appearing as thought.

Nice! Yep, the “I” thought appears and lays claim to many things….but the “I” thought is itself just an appearing thought!
- Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
#2NO.only time was when loud sound appeared inAE or attention pulled sharply away.So to be clear i couldnt do it it just happened automatically
And can anything be found in AE that can have “attention pulled sharply away”?
What exactly is it that has “attention”, or is that just another appearing thought?

- Can you predict your next thought?
#3i can have "i will think peaches "or whatever and there is no control.Thots just appear randomly even when i tryto be an "i"trying to think a thot is just another damn thot
Is not the thought “I will think …………” (fill in the blank), also just another appearing thought?
Can anything be found in AE that is thinking?
- Can you push away any thought?
#4 no that would just be another thot.crazyto even think that thot now.been trying for a long time crzy making
LOL yes…crazy making all right!!
- Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
#5 no except maybe with positive or ngative program operating some how. That seems fake somehow because its a program it cant be you anymore hmmm.... that is all thoughts appearing.so answer is NO
Great pickup to see that it was just appearing thought that says you can pick and choose to have only pleasant thought! What exactly is it that is thinking or choosing! :)
- Can you stop thinking a thought in the middle?
#6No way to fast like now.so no way so far to stop one.would need a faster thot to do so haha
Yes! And where does one thought end and another begin? What determines that….another thought?
- Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
#7no again way to fast to stop like instantaneously so no way
And if you could choose thoughts, would you ever choose to have negative, painful or fearful thoughts?

- Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
#8when i say "i pick _____? A thought appears out of nowhere to fill in the blank everytime so no I PICK initiates an actual anything
Nice :)
- Is it possible to control any thoughts?
#9that would be a thought trying and then claiming a thought appearing as a result.so just thoughts spinning around inAE
Beautiful! :)
- Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing? Including the thought 'I'?.
# 10 NO NO NO that would be another i thought doing it apparently like infinite regression iiiiiiiiiii
Now to last part on second q
Yes! Terrific LOOKING, Allen!
- It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?
only sequence is a thot appearing throughout and after claiming recognition of planning or solving an issue
YES! If there were no thought appearing that said that thought has some logical ordered appearance, then how would it be known that thought was ordered and sequenced! It wouldn’t be known at all! It would just be appearing thought and in reality…that is all it is! :)

Much love,
Kay
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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:52 am

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Thoughts will appear saying lots of stuff…but does thought know anything? Is thought aware of anything? Can you pick and choose what thoughts appear
No only another thought appearing claiming knowing.only another thought would claim awareness.No only a thought of I would claim picking and choosing

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:00 am

. Yes and are those rampant thoughts just seen as thoughts that are appearing, and are just pointing to more thought stories?
not totally yet.there is a thought appearing as panic hmmmm..... and yes just thoughts appearing. And not at the time hmmm....that is just another thought appearing about panic and "at the time"Now seen as thoughts appearing now yes yes


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