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[Rebeccac]

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sorry,ill have to not try to quote cause it's not workingthe nothing is what this "I" seems to be, the looker is nobody, but neurons ECT in the brain, the nothing is conditioning of the body , telling it thru labels and like a computer has a hard drive, and info being put into it , that's all the "I " am, a story, really meaning nothing, we have senses on , in the body to navigate, so my question is , what is the motherboard, hard drive, where does all this info to, illusional I guess

No I don't see a me, only the senses do , I am not even the senses, they are never ending g. No beginning no end, just a flow ,

I've downloaded your app and read daily, and will purchase the books when I get a chance ,
Luv, Rebecca

[Canfora]

Hi Rebecca,

It seems to me that you are saying that there isn't a separate you among what is present here. Am I understanding well what you're writing? Let's say a friend of yours is curious and wants to understand what you're saying. How would you explain to him/her this seeing? How would you describe this to someone who has never heard of this?

Take care,
S

[Rebeccac]

Hi Rebecca,

It seems to me that you are saying that there isn't a separate you among what is present here. Am I understanding well what you're writing? et's say a friend of yours is curious and wants to understand what you're saying. How would you explain to him/her this seeing? To look on this sit, cause only want to figure out quote inlays at this moment ? , Did it work?

How would you describe this to someone who has never heard of this?

Take care,
S

[Rebeccac]

Cannot do this and easy way, hard to refer back to your questions with an easy format , will need to look at others post, it helps

[Canfora]

I have also read many posts when I was being guided, so I understand when you say reading what other write helps. You seem to think others answers are better than yours? They're just different! Why do you think this isn't easy? What do you do to find answers to my questions?

[Rebeccac]

hi, sorry took time to get back, had to work long hours, and wanted to respond on a computer with a keypad that I can actually type on. This process has brought out many reflections. To start when you asked on how I would explain this no self to a friend. to be honest it tries to still be attached, but then say to that of reflection coming up when in school being totally in seeing this self in a dream, I was noticing labels and learning the English vocabulary of action words and thinking, that's what we are, and only what we are, I was questioning the "who " of what was walking, reading, learning... I felt like always in a dream... Then adulthood came and the model of marriage, babies.

I refer back to others post to see how I should respond to questions because I tend to ramble and make no sense. and seem to not answer questions , so I feel like I'm back in school.

going back to answer question from the perspective of Rebecca. its funny ... cause I seem to always be wrong... been searching since I was 18 and now I'm 53. and maybe I still haven't tapped into it. but I will try.. I search for words that would describe.
and I don't know where to start,, honestly I have no friends . seriously . I work , come home to husband, I text my 3 kids and that's it. day after day.
So I don't know how to really have a conversation...
could you tell me in what way to respond ??
This is terrible. I'm sorry.
ok.
i refer back to a baby. with only sight, smell, taste, touch. (senses).
then thru conditioning , learning, programs instilled in this baby. it learns labels. so as it grows learns that it is an "I, mine, me." but for me being a baby of six,,, we really weren't tought that because my parents were very open minded and we lived in a carefree lifestyle in the country.. So social conditioning in school and work . But i believe every being knows the freedom if they just look at where the struggles come from.. The body tells us everything, each cells has a voice. so being quiete and learning to tune in and use the mind to uncondition and reprogram will bring us to see the universal flow with all animals as just is. JUST IS . To explain that we open our eyes is the same as eyes being closed. Reality is just a form and solid matter. The body is the matter that holds the same as a Tree.
Well if i continue i think ill be rambling,, actually i feel like i already am.
Thank You for all your time.
I'm so sorry for not being able to communicate in words , I'm also thinking I'm way off the mark. making it harder than what it really is , i know.
Rebecca

[Canfora]

Hi Rebecca,

I hope you aren't worried with what I think about what you write. I can follow you without a problem.
I enjoyed reading what you have wrote - thank you for using a computer this time.
I prefer longer answers to very short ones. It's easier to understand what's going on with you.
This is not a "normal" conversation, anyway. As a guide I ask questions and you're expected to find your own answers by looking and describing your immediate experience. That's all. It may seem difficult and it may require some practice. You're doing fine, so just keep going, a post at a time. We don't have any reason to rush and we both will know when you are clear that there is no separate self.

You shared a little about your life and circumstances, that's nice.

Would you say that your life is separated from the "all" of life?
Could Rebecca be different than it is?
When you write "I don't know how to really have a conversation" what would you say this I is?

Looking forward to your answers,
S

[Rebeccac]

Hello , on my tablet while waiting to be called out for work , if I make this brief I will finish later
Your question " could Rebecca be different than it is? " Not sure of question, but believe Rebecca has been labelled on "self as baby, so no , no different, the name is just a name for people to call people, but to dig deeper when I say self, I get confused, that also is a label, all these words are labels,

When u asked what meant when said "I don't know how to have conversation" , meaning hoq to communicate, this world that each of us has is there own reality, when someone says one thing , interpretation can come in many forms,
"What is the "I" that was meant ?? Is the communicator to put thought down , for expressing what brain has input as labels, ideas, projections, outside and inside forces,

This "I" is a journey without a driver, the body ,brain are very intelligent and does all on own,
We follow out with action ,,, whoops gotta get to work, hope to get back soon to u !
Thank u for all the time and patience, I feel very confused , yes I said I and u may come back that. Who is this I??
Rebecca, just a name

[Canfora]

Hi Rebecca, it's nice to hear from you. Hope work went well.

When you talk about feeling very confused, do you mean that you have contradictory thoughts about these stuff? It's normal to feel confused if you expect thoughts around this subject to make sense. That's why I've been asking you to look for a self instead of think about a self. Don't bother with thoughts - look to your immediate experience and notice what is there.

"What is the "I" that was meant ?? Is the communicator to put thought down

Can you have a look and describe what is communicating thoughts? What is this I that is the communicator, how do you know it exists?

Hug,
S

[Rebeccac]

Hoping to write more this evening, will try a bit now to answer,
No contradictory thoughts, just looking, ,, no self makes sense because has been felt and noticed, body confirms ,. Thoughts arrive from brains labelling , then catch it by WHAT ?? What is behind what catches?? That's where it gets confusing
, funny , woke up to go pee and the word "I" just screamed out, and I laughed!!! That was a ah ah , caught I moment.
Looking to notice the just experiencing, of the "my " story,
And breathe in peace and calmness, no need to get caught up in story, it just is. So body watches and smiles .
I've read most of the 21 other people on liberation and resonated with the lady who's thought of suicide, that's where I've been when trying to dislocate from this "I" that doesn't exist. And when I listened to Elaine's video of stop observing or no observer , can't remember what the video wàs called but wow, thank u, I see to just breathe, flow and there's is NO self, god , flow=1,
Self=O
This "I" that communicates thought is his body that just types what comes thru, really no thought right now , but times needs to , to get something done, . Body mechanism, very cool beautiful machine . Just sad that this story was self inflicted pain, yes I said self , so shit what does that mean?, Am I getting closer to true liberation? Feels not complicated but programmed mind wants to cling thinking that it's loosing it's grip . No thing to stick to . Thank u so much it's still clinging so that's were fear comes in to drag this me down . Fear is a thought, and how do thoughts completely stop? So I watch and let it pass, but I do stop bthe thought and look at nature to divert it onto something real . They are only thoughts. Illusion. Just like the self, only illusion.
These lives are lived for the flow of the creator, source, god . To see thru experience. But these bodies want to claim as there own and such have created illusion of ego , ECT. So this Rebecca sits in that space within the creator of all. That's all that can BE.

Sorry I wrote a lot, gotta get to work again. Thank you so so so much for your time !
Rebecca

[Canfora]

woke up to go pee and the word "I" just screamed out, and I laughed!!! That was a ah ah , caught I moment.

Funny indeed :)

flow=1,
Self=O

Ahah! Yes!

Thank u so much it's still clinging so that's were fear comes in to drag this me down .

Feeling fear while doing this inquiry happens to many people.
The fear is like a good friend trying to protect you from a perceived threat -the unknown!
What happens if you welcome the fear with all your heart instead of trying to avoid it or run away from it?

If fear appears, give a gently look behind the fear to see what is there that needs protection...
Can you see a you that is fearful, a you that is in danger?
What is behind the fear?

[Rebeccac]

hello, wow thank you for the kick question,,, "look behind the fear to see what in there that needs protection, can you see a you that is fearful, in danger? what is behind the fear."
Cause when that was read I sat a bit, walked around a bit and went , "huh". I looked , didn't see anyone, and asked what needs protection, what was said was, if you get this youll just loose it,. So I felf an OLD type panicky feeling and just like a lightbulb went on. and wow, that's how it works. I'm trying to be trying to get it in my brain, to remember and make it stick. and its like there is NO ONE to make anything stick to.
I did not see a "me" that is in danger because theres NO ONE to be in danger. but just protecting the body just to protect the body if need to. That is the mechanism it is only needed for.
" what is behind the fear" was just perfect to nail it down. No one, nothing, space. and then I filled it with the creators love and gold light . And then I cried, just bawled.. I may not get this perfectly but I really think this "I" is not there. These eyes see things differently when they are seeing. Huh. :)). I had to re read an re-read you comment again.

Yes fear is a friend, just like anger, sadness. all humans beautiful emotions. Acknowledge them as a friend , and thank them for their contributions but that's it, don't feed them. No more feeding them. cause NO one is their to feel them.

I'm remembering so much now. its like I went under amneasia when I got married and my husbands smoldered my love . if that makes sense.

Thank you so much for your perfect questions, I did have fear before I read your questions, I think I need to re look again at this fear, funny as I typed it to you i didn't realize that it was a big deal cause it was made a part of this identity that was needed to keep . but no need for an identity. its just a body, with senses . for the awesome creator who gets beautiful experiences from these humans. :)) .
this helps so much by reading your direct questions and my typing them out. makes the conscious bring it to the front.
Thank you for your time to help us!!!
rebecca

[Canfora]

there is NO ONE to make anything stick to.

Big yes. Wow. Isn't that amazing? :)

I did not see a "me" that is in danger because theres NO ONE to be in danger. but just protecting the body just to protect the body if need to. That is the mechanism it is only needed for.

Yes. We spend a life time unconsciously practicing this kind of coping skills to protect what we think is our self's. Seeing that this protective mechanism is only needed in situations where the body is in real danger may not be enough to stop it. I hope you're not expecting all this stuff to go away with just an huff and puff! Thoughts about perceived or imaginary dangers can trigger very real feelings of fear, anxiety, etc, etc.

" what is behind the fear" was just perfect to nail it down. No one, nothing, space. and then I filled it with the creators love and gold light . And then I cried, just bawled.. I may not get this perfectly but I really think this "I" is not there. These eyes see things differently when they are seeing. Huh. :)).

Yes :)

When you look with the eyes, can you see the difference between the stories thoughts tell and what can be seen right now?

When a thought is "I am seeing what is written in this screen in front of me and I am typing an answer." is this thought accurate?

Is it possible to experience separation (a you inside a body, experiencing an outside reality)?

Is it possible to find in your immediate experience 3 things:

- what is seeing (subject)

- the seeing (verb)

- what is seen (object)

Try pointing with a finger to what can be seen. Can you point / see 3 separate things, like the thoughts imply there is? Is the separation that thoughts seem to create real in your experience?

Share what you find.

Hug,
S

[Rebeccac]

Hello,
No expectations of this stuff going away, life still happens.
Understanding that triggers will come up but no need to fuel them as coping to extreme.
There is a feeling of lighness in the head, like a fog clearing.
* Yes , can see difference between story thought and what scene right now
* Yes is accurate just scene , no thought.no separation. Experience of body as feeling and flow with outside reality.
On experience with 3 things is just that, experience. Labelling happens. Not sure if separation when seeing it as flowunless it's brought to mind to see if I need to act on it in my reality . Not quite sure on last question ?
Appreciate your direct inquiry ! So helps the mind look !! Thank u again and again

[Canfora]

Hello again,

Not quite sure on last question ?

Is the separation that thoughts seem to create real in your experience?

Let me try to use other words. When we look to what surrounds us, we usually focus in what draws our attention. Then labeling follows, which seems to create separation: me, cat, book, flower.

Can you see this happening? Have a look around and notice the focus + labeling.
After seem how this happens, look again to what is there, surrounding you. Is this idea of separation between what is present true?

If you walk around, can you find boundaries between a you and what can be seen/perceived?
Can you find boundaries that would prove the existence of a separate you?

Or point to the borders where a separate you, would start and end?

This may sound a little difficult to grasp, I know. Let me know how it goes for you, Rebecca.