How to overcome this I, me, thing and why we want to do this as the things happen as it should

[fuxi05]

Hi Jon,

Do our last few posts address any doubts that you may have about this guiding process and 'no self'? It is important that we should address these now so do feel free to voice any lingering expectations or doubts.

I think that we can close this part.
If I had any expectation about this process and 'no self', I shared with you. Just thinking now, all doubts and expectations could be related to the success idea that I need to prove something like a diploma what I can show to others later when I finished here and be proud of it and of course this success should come fast for yesterday as I have no time here just for chit-chat. :)

It looks as I shared these things, the power of doubts is less or gone. It is also very interesting that those kind of thoughts are coming up that I never thought that they exist in 'my' world.

So I ready to stay and continue.

Thank you.
Balazs

[fuxi05]

Hi Jon,

I want to add one more thought to the 'no self' thing. It does not matter on which path you are because at the end or at some point you will arrive to the 'no self' thing and you need to look really.

Regards,
Balazs

[JonathanR]

Hi Balazs,

I have no time here just for chit-chat. :)

Ha ha. GOOD! Me neither ;-)

It looks as I shared these things, the power of doubts is less or gone. It is also very interesting that those kind of thoughts are coming up that I never thought that they exist in 'my' world.

Its good to notice this.

I want to add one more thought to the 'no self' thing. It does not matter on which path you are because at the end or at some point you will arrive to the 'no self' thing and you need to look really.

Yes. It does need looking for no self to be seen.

I would like to ask you three questions now. Please have ago at answering these.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2)Please explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now as if to someone who had never heard of noself before?

3)How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.


Regards,

Jon

[fuxi05]

Hi Jon,

Today I was working in the garden and keeping in mind your questions and watching what came up. The first reaction was that will be an exam and I need to pass it after that I was just watching the no self thing but nothing special things happened, the jobs were just done. :)

Tomorrow evening I will answer your questions.

Thank you.
Balazs

[JonathanR]

Hi Balazs,

The first reaction was that will be an exam and I need to pass it

No. Its not an exam :-). You don't need to pass anything. I have been asking you questions every day anyway. This is really the only way we can guide, the only way to get people to take a look. :-)

Thank you

Jon

[fuxi05]

Hi Jon,

This is really the only way we can guide, the only way to get people to take a look. :-)

Okay, let' see the three questions.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No, if it was then it was just an idea or a story, that 'I' is behind all happening. 'I' is the doer-ship. The question is here if there is no 'I' than what is, what is left?
If 'I' is just a fiction then it could not exist before.

2)Please explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now as if to someone who had never heard of noself before?

The illusion is that somebody is responsible for everything which happens with this body. There is somebody behind every action, words. There is an owner of the life.
It starts somewhere around the childhood where I heard that everybody is talking like 'I', 'me', 'my'. And somebody usually my parents started to say that you are this and that, you have this body and you bla-bla and the story started.
How to describe? Hm. The first question what do you think, who are you? Are you sure? What about if you just wake up from the 'I' illusion like you wake up from the dream and you say simple it was just a dream, what if the 'I' is just a simple dream. What will you say then? :)

3)How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

There is more acceptance to what it is happening and also much more focus for the present moment, the inner dialog is less and less.

Thank you.
Balazs

[JonathanR]

Hi Balazs,

Thank you for your great answers. I do not feel the need to query anything you have said.

There is more acceptance to what it is happening and also much more focus for the present moment, the inner dialog is less and less.

Very good to hear :-)

There are three more questions I'd like you to consider? Here they are:

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

Anything to add?



Thank you,

Jon

[fuxi05]

Hi Jon,

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

I think your following words gave the final push: "Do you see the difference between a thought that appears and its content? The thought is real but the content is not. Doesn't 'I' only ever appear as the content of a thought?"
After something is changed. I read it again and again and checked what came up. It was just a silence.

Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

The short answer is no. The body is sick now with some sore throat and cold. If 'I' could choose then 'I' chosen to be healthy but this is not the case. It just happened. 'I' cannot control, decide, choose anything, this just an illusion which came from an assumption that a separate entity is real.

Anything to add?

The things really don't change so much everything goes as it goes. This brings some lightness to the daily life now.
From here what should be next step?

Thank you.
Balazs

[JonathanR]

Hello Balazs,

Thanks again for some very clear answers.

From here what should be next step?

That is a good question. It may be worth noticing the unfolding of this new insight. It may be that some more previously held views begin to be seen and dropped.

It may be that you feel that some further investigations would be a good idea. There are forums and groups for various kinds of further investigations.

I would now like to invite the other guides to take a look at our conversation to see if they may have further questions for you. They can take a day or two to do this but please check back here to find out.


Thank you

Jon

[JonathanR]

Hi Balazs,
.
One of the guides has a couple of questions:

You said

. The question is here if there is no 'I' than what is, what is left?
If 'I' is just a fiction then it could not exist before."

Does it feel as if this insight is 'in the bones' (so to speak) or more an logical idea?

What is left?


Regards,

Jon

[fuxi05]

Hi Jon,

The question is here if there is no 'I' than what is, what is left?
If 'I' is just a fiction then it could not exist before."

Does it feel as if this insight is 'in the bones' (so to speak) or more an logical idea?

It is 'in the bones'. There is no 'I' now, was not before and will not be in the future as well. The 'I' is just a tale which started like once upon a time nobody knows from where the 'I' appeared and started function like a separate entity. But after some time like going through this process showed that 'I' is a fiction. Here is the end of the 'I'.

What is left?

Nothing, only happening in the actual moment like now typing these words.

Thank you.
Balazs

[JonathanR]

Hi Balazs,

Thank you for those last couple of answers and in fact for all your great answers. Our conversation here is over.

Congratulations! We have an aftercare group at LU for people who have just seen no self and I'd like to invite you to join that now. I will Private Message you via this forum with some important details. Please let me know if you have any trouble finding the PM.

Thank you so much for allowing me to assist you in this journey and for being prepared to look so thoroughly.

Best wishes,

Jon

[fuxi05]

Hi Jon,

Thank you for the guiding and keeping the focus so straight into the right direction.

Regards,
Balazs