Would love to connect with a guide here

[Lawrence]

Regards and again well done...and all your own work..with little help from me

Lawrence

[600orabove]

thank you Lawrence

Have you seen/do you see no-self ?
This question feels like a Zen Koan. if there is no self i would not see no self. I have had glimpses of seeing what is in experience , just seeing what is without it being processed in the old way. Once this is seen, there is no going back to the old way of perception/belief

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
no there is not a separate self anywhere in any shape or form. If there is no separate self then there never was a separate self.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of the separate self is a belief that an individual body/mind has a unique individualized "I"/"me" that is different or specialized from all other body/minds. This seems to start in the conditioning of infancy where we are given a name, possessions , and struggle for attention and love from caregivers. In my own experience before these guided exercises I struggled to earn love from others ,thinking if I could give them all my love they would love me. I see it differently now. My experience of no separate self is unwinding some of these struggles. I see now that there is no separate self that wants this and wants that. I can just love, just be, and be present and experience what is in the moment.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels liberating to feel this way. The difference before was that I took everything that happened personally, like it was my fault , my responsibility, it was all about what I dd or didn't do.IN many ways it felt like I was the glue holding the world together . I have experienced a recent relationship breakup and there had been much experienced suffering around that. The difference now and the experience from the last few days are that this is not about me. What is , is that my partner in her point of view made a decision that wasn't about what I did or who I was. The more I experience this "is-ness" the more I see it just is the way it is. A flow of life. The burden of responsibility is dropping away the more I sit in the "is-ness" The more I sit in the pain and the fear the more it evaporates and the more joyful I feel.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Nothing else was working . I had learned many tools and techniques. No beliefs were changing in the sessions I was receiving for facilitating . The suffering had to stop no matter what it takes. So I followed Lawrence's guidance and sat in the experiences for how ever long it took, sometimes hours, until a shift was experienced. What made me look was a feeling that I can't go on living this way anymore,there has t be another way'

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
This seems like a difficult question as I do not know the answers to the first part. If I were to guess I would say decision, intention, free will, choice and control are all made up beliefs of the separate self. Creation unfolds and happens...makes things happen, how and why things happen the way they do, I have no idea. I am responsible for contributing to unfolding creation by just being aware, in awareness. Maybe go in the flow instead of fighting to swim upstream in the current. In experience the relationship pain is still raw. I can now experience the pain, the fear, the loss and just sit in it and it moves. I do not have to sit in the "me" vs. "her" story. This is a freeing and I am grateful for the shifts experienced thus far. Very grateful.

6) Anything to add?
Only that I continue to do the exercises to sit in the experience. It feels like life is more of an adventure instead of a drudgery. looking forward to reading the book and listening to some of the podcasts here. Thank you.

[Lawrence]

Thank you, David for sharing all your experiences here. It is beautiful and eloquent. I now will put this to the other guides to see if they have any further questions .

As soon as I have responses I will get back to you

Regards
Lawrence

[Lawrence]

Hello David
Queries have arisen over your response at 5, which I seem to have glossed over about clarity, so I need clarity by asking further.

Rather than quickly try and answer this question. Experience it. You referred to Zen koans in your last thread. Treat it as such. Settle into it. Live with it.

If I were to guess I would say decision, intention, free will, choice and control are all made up beliefs of the separate self. Creation unfolds and happens...makes things happen, how and why things happen the way they do i have no idea

There can be no guesswork here. The answer needs to come from your experience.


Can you locate this separate self is ?
What is this separate self ?
How does it make up beliefs ?

I am responsible for contributing to unfolding creation by just being aware, in awareness.

Where is this "I" that is responsible ?
How and in what way is it responsible ?
How can "I" control awareness ?

Please remember to Look, just Look. Try not to think it.

There is no time limit to this. Come back when you are certain about the answers or need further pointers.
Regards
Lawrence

[Lawrence]

Can you locate this separate self is ? ... should read
Can you locate this separate self ?

[Lawrence]

Sorry please ignore the last question " How can I control awareness"...you did not say that.
with apologies

[Lawrence]

How are you doing David ?
I am here and happy to give you a nudge.
Regards
Lawrence

[600orabove]

Hi Lawrence I have been sitting in the experience the last two days and will now answers these questions.

1)Can you locate this separate self ? No I cannot locate this separate self There is no location for it.

2)What is this separate self ? It is false , it does not exist. It is illusion.

3)How does it make up beliefs ? It doesn't because it is not real. Thoughts move through experience as a product of the body mind.

4)Where is this "I" that is responsible ? There is no location for this "I" so it does not exist. so the answer is nowhere.

5) How and in what way is it responsible ? It is not existent so it is not responsible for anything in any way or any how.

Thank you Lawrence Had a good clear day of experience today.
Warm regards
David

[Lawrence]

Hello David
Your answer is perfectly clear now. Brilliant
There is need to know
What has changed in normal everyday situations and what has not?
Do have any doubts at all ?
Because the process has been so quick, please give yourself time to respond carefully rather than quicky.
Regards
Lawrence


what changed in normal every day ordinary situation and what hasn't..

[600orabove]

Hi Lawrence

1)What has changed in normal everyday situations and what has not?
what has changed is there is now access to a feeling of peace. There is an ability to go into experience and experience awareness directly. This is expansive and there is no longer a wanting to control the world of experience. The illusion of separate self is melting away and there is a realization that I am not my body /mind. What has not happened is that all the challenges and problems have not magically gone away. There is more energy freed up to get into the flow of life and do what I can in each present moment. There is a sense that I will not go back to the old illusion because I have seen the falsity of that.

2)Do have any doubts at all ? No , there are no doubts . Continued experience and study of listening to podcast and reading the books and possibly learning how to support others in this process is a way to keep this experience unfolding. That is a path that will support this experience .

Thank you
David

[600orabove]

Instead of saying there is a sense let me reword that to I will not go back to the old illusion because the falsity of that has been experienced

[Lawrence]

Thank You David

I will get back to you as soon as I have had conformations or any further questions.
Regards
Lawrence

[Lawrence]

Hello David .
All is now confirmed. It has been a a pleasure to guide you. You will be added to the Unleashed and LU Aftercare facebook pages, for further and future connections, once you give your facebook name. You say you wish to help others and you will make a great guide and I encourage you to do so as there is help to do so.
You will be contacted shortly.regarding confirmation.
See you on the other side...this is just the beginning
Regards
Lawrence

[Lawrence]

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[600orabove]

Thank you and much gratitude for the guided experience and for your stepping forward to help and guide.
Sincerely
David