Pointing Towards Liberation

[lorepep]

I am happy to hear that Michael :)

How is life in these days? How is the experience of moving through day to day experience?
Is something different?

Thanks

L

[freebirdy]

Hey Lorenzo,

How is life in these days? How is the experience of moving through day to day experience?
Is something different?

Alright I guess; I have just started a new job and I have a lot of new learning to do. There is no escaping have to learn new material; unfortunately when things open up you still have to do stuff. You get a great perceptive on the way of life and how the world goes on around you. Things don't really have any meaning anymore; only what ever meaning is placed on them. I guess that's freedom.

I still have a lot of conditioning in place so I react and judge situations still a lot. The good thing is you can sort of see this happening and this causes less of a absorption. It is unbelievable the amount of thoughts that go on in the mind; thoughts seem to be always coating reality with emotions and comments.

You could say everything is the same because it just feels normal, stable and right for each moment. On another level when comparing it to past you could say everything its totally different. I could probably say lots more on how things are different but it doesn't seem right because to do so would or might require elements of glorification in thought. There is no glorification from where I stand. In fact you get nothing from this or even worse you seem too loose.

I should add one doubt in thought seems to nullify everything I said above. As in I still identify with thought through out the day. But then again that is just something that happens I guess.

Regards
Michael.

[lorepep]

I should add one doubt in thought seems to nullify everything I said above.

Can you please elaborate on this?
What do you mean?

Have a doubt any power? Can a doubt change how things are?

Thanks
L

[freebirdy]

Hey mate

I should add one doubt in thought seems to nullify everything I said above.

Can you please elaborate on this
What do you mean?

Yes I see why this is a difficult statement to understand. When I look and see what I truly am, which seems to be everything, thoughts/doubts can arise which question suc a seeing. I was just looking about 5 minutes ago at this impersonal vastness or whatever you might call and was completely stunned at it. Thoughts arose about how I could of ever thought this was a personal self and the funny side of this. Somehow a personal develops out of the impersonal. It has to be the most bizarre phenomenon ever.

Have a doubt any power? Can a doubt change how things are?

A doubt is just a thought. In this case I was questioning my direct seeing. The thoughts where trying to change my experience and develop a quality that seems like a self again. Its funny why it keeps trying to claim the openness....

Can a doubt change how things are?

No; although it can feel as if all is lost when absorbed in such thoughts. Looking again negates doubt.

I still exploring all this and things seem to be deepening in a story. Im starting to get a feeling that things are just happening and there is nothing I can do about it. Thats a bit scary!! And to think I have spent years trying to direct my life in this and that direction with a mixed outcome of it working and not working out. Im opening to this realization and its not that deep for me. Of course I know intellectually that we have no control but a living realization is different.

Regards
Michael

[lorepep]

When I look and see what I truly am, which seems to be everything

Are you everything?

develop a quality that seems like a self again. Its funny why it keeps trying to claim the openness....

Is this a problem?

Thats a bit scary!!

What is there to be protected?

The realisation can can be more or less gradual it can take a bit or time or even the whole life. It's a continuous process of deepening


Thanks
L

[freebirdy]

Evening Mate,

Are you everything?

What a question!! It seems to be that I am what is experienced at any given moment. So that is everything that is experienced. Its hard to say for sure exactly what you might be. I ask the question does it even matter.

Is this a problem?

Well I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling like a separate individual. It is just an experience like any other. This is a big change of attitude for me, and it seems that I have stopped trying to change my experience. This does not mean to say that everything is so good that I don't try to change things any more; it just means I accept things more so now.

What is there to be protected?

Well; no self at least. You worry that when you loose yourself that you will loose control and will no longer be able to 'act the part'. You worry about what will become of you when you are in feel fall. You see we spend to much time maintaining a image and behaving in a certain to suit people in our life's.

Regards
Michael

[lorepep]

Sorry Michael, I am on a job trip in this says.
I'll get back to you tonight or tomorrow in the worst case scenario.

Thanks for your patience
L

[freebirdy]

Hey mate,

No worries.

Regards
Michael.

[lorepep]

Hi Michael,
I am finally back from the trip, sorry again for the delay :)

l; no self at least.

Do you mean that you feel you need to protect your seeing of no-self?

You worry that when you loose yourself that you will loose control and will no longer be able to 'act the part'. You worry about what will become of you when you are in feel fall.

I can relate a lot with that, but it is normal...it is fear of the unknown, but it's a heel of a trip :)

It seems to be that I am what is experienced at any given moment.

What do you mean?
Are there personal qualities in what is experienced? Is there a 'me' hidden behind something?

[freebirdy]

Hey Lorenzo;

I have been very busy of late. I will have time for a proper considered reply over the weekend...

Regards
Michael.

[lorepep]

Hi Michael,

How are you doing?

I hope everything is ok :)

Thanks

L

[freebirdy]

Hey mate,

Alls good thank you. It is just that I am very busy at the moment. I will get back into this discussion when things settle down again.

Regards
Michael.

[lorepep]

Sure! Take your time :)