Can't tell if I've seen through the illusion

[Seahawks5862]

Steve,

Ok...I'll talk to you in the morning.

Tx

Ty

[Seahawks5862]

Hi Steve,

I'm seeing that I need to really look and let u know where I'm at. I guess I just expected u would read my mind...sorry.

There have been moments of feeling like everything is working on it's own today. The thoughts are not being taken so seriously and the possibility of a no ME feels lighter.

Tx
Ty

[blackh]

Ty,

My mind reading is rubbish, so that's good. I just need to keep your path clear of rubble and let you walk, but you have to be my eyes.

So do you have to be worthy to claim your birthright? Do you have to have perfected the control of your mind? Do you need to have fixed your personality faults? Do you need to be a good person? Do you need to have done the requisite amount of suffering? Do you need the permission of some authority?

Or do you only need a desire and a willingness to look and trust what you see over what you have been told?

There have been moments of feeling like everything is working on it's own today. The thoughts are not being taken so seriously and the possibility of a no ME feels lighter.

Trust this, because it's real. Look! What's actually there? Why do you need to believe something about reality when it can be seen in every moment? Why do you need a substitute for something that is always present? When you were a child, experience - including thought - was as light as a feather. What happened?

How did life acquire that suffocating heaviness?

Is there anything other than experience? What is thought? Can it think? Could the whole thing be really simple?


Steve

[Seahawks5862]

Steve,

There is definately no belief that any of these things need to be accomplished. Thoughts will continue to pop up and thats ok. Sometimes they are needed as reminders of dates coming up or whatever but they are not the truth. The truth of this moment is opening up more each day. As I was driving to work the thought of "what is wrong just this?" popped up.

Life acquired this suffocating heavines because the ego is trying to protect this so called ME from being hurt in life.

There is nothing other than experiencing. Earlier today it was seen that every thought, anxiety and anything else is alway happening now. Looking is continuing...

Tx

Ty

[blackh]

Ty,

You are really doing well at this. I can't see a single thing that is not in the right place. So I'll let go and let the magic unfold, but I'm right here if you have the slightest issue or question. Keep focused. It's worth it. Enjoy it, and keep posting to keep that intensity going.

Earlier today it was seen that every thought, anxiety and anything else is alway happening now.

Yes! Thought creates a pretty convincing world, doesn't it? Quite an impressive trick when you consider the simple fact of what thought is.


Steve

[blackh]

Ty,

I'd better make sure...

Life acquired this suffocating heavines because the ego is trying to protect this so called ME from being hurt in life.

What's the ego and how does this process work?


Steve

[Seahawks5862]

Steve,


IN all honesty I have been lost in thoughts the last couple of days. I'm in the process of buying a house and getting married so the planning of everything can only be done through thoughts and that feels like that becomes difficult. The thoughts that seem so urgent pop up and are difficult to let go. It sounds stupid because there is I guess more of a thought of no ME more than a knowing.
I know I'm off track...

The ego is just that false belief in a me.

Tx

Ty

[blackh]

Ty,

IN all honesty I have been lost in thoughts the last couple of days. I'm in the process of buying a house and getting married so the planning of everything can only be done through thoughts and that feels like that becomes difficult.

That'll keep you busy. I keep pushing you, but it really doesn't matter if you ignore me. I'm just chilling and you can talk to me whenever you want. So, "don't mug yourself" as the song says.

So is the problem that there's an impenetrable cloud of thoughts that you can't see through, and nothing you do will make them go away? How can you solve it?

Are the things thoughts say real or not? You have to know it. Don't think about it. Look at thoughts until you see which it is. A very different process.

The thoughts that seem so urgent pop up and are difficult to let go.

What is it that makes certain thoughts so irresistible to the attention?

It sounds stupid because there is I guess more of a thought of no ME more than a knowing. I know I'm off track...

I think you're doing fine.

There's nothing wrong with a thought of no me - or any thought. But the knowing that we are trying to achieve comes from seeing. If a thought can give you a direction and then you look in that direction, then it's helpful. If the thought points to more thought and distracts you from looking, then you are not one step further forward.

It's a bit like eating vegetables to be healthy. Boiled, mashed, fried, with ketchup. It doesn't matter, as long as they end up in your mouth.

There is something obvious that has to be seen. You're not seeing "no self" as such because "no self" isn't something you can see. Rather, you're surveying the landscape of the ordinary and obvious, and not seeing anything corresponding to the self idea.

The ego is just that false belief in a me.

Can a belief protect this so called ME from being hurt in life?

Imagine this scenario: You're speaking in front of an audience on a technical subject and answering questions that need thought. There are thoughts related to the subject, speech, body movements, and there is a bundle of ME belief-thought-assumptions such as "I'm speaking", "I am in control", "Do I sound confident?", "I'm doing well so far", "I might say something stupid", "Have I prepared enough?"

If the body that's speaking were completely free of belief thoughts saying there's an entity speaking, controlling, being confident or not, etc, would it still be able to give the talk?


Steve

[Seahawks5862]

is the problem that there's an impenetrable cloud of thoughts that you can't see through, and nothing you do will make them go away? How can you solve it?

It does at time...not paying attention to them?


Are the things thoughts say real or not? You have to know it. Don't think about it. Look at thoughts until you see which it is. A very different process.

Thinking wants to say that thoughts are not real but looking hasn't shown that.


What is it that makes certain thoughts so irresistible to the attention?

I have no idea...I'm going to answer this part now and get back to u.

Tx steve

[Seahawks5862]

Steve,

continuing...during lifes activities such as getting papers ready for the realtor in order to buy this house, feeling and thoughts increase. They seem to be irresistible to the attention because they have to do with REAl activities happening in during this part of life.

A belief would not be able to protect anything...

During a speech the body would be able to react fine if it were completely free.

Tx Ty

[blackh]

Ty,

I used the public speaking example because I did some public speaking (about computers) two weeks ago.

during lifes activities such as getting papers ready for the realtor in order to buy this house, feeling and thoughts increase. They seem to be irresistible to the attention because they have to do with REAl activities happening in during this part of life.

Thoughts are real, concepts of ownership of a house are not real, but people in a house (which happens after the house is purchased) are real. Attention will be paid to the house paperwork because it's important, and not getting it right has consequences. Your body-mind knows this and will act accordingly.

Is a self involved in that process?

I live in a wooden house. If I smell smoke, I drop everything and find out what it is. It's not the smell that causes this, it's the thoughts associated with the smell.

The point of these stories is that even though thought content isn't real, the things it points to can be.

So is the self that causes the paperwork to be right/wrong/done on time/not done on time real?

is the problem that there's an impenetrable cloud of thoughts that you can't see through, and nothing you do will make them go away? How can you solve it?

It does at time...not paying attention to them?

How can you not pay attention to certain thoughts? What causes attention to be paid or not to be paid to a thought?

Does a self do that?


Steve

[Seahawks5862]

Steve,

Is a self involved in that process? So if the body mind worries about the outcome of the new house etc. then it is ok because its just what the body mind is doing? So who or what is doing this looking?

There is never a SELF that is ever found.

How can you not pay attention to certain thoughts? What causes attention to be paid or not to be paid to a thought?

If a thought comes through that says "the weather is nice today" it seems to fly by without any time spent on it. For instance next Thursday the home inspector is coming to inspect my house. Thoughts keep running through my head of clean up the yard, clean the house, make sure everything works...when thoughts like this come it feels like there is a self even though none can be found. Will you just hit me with something so it will all be clear...lol

Tx

Ty

[blackh]

Ty,

Is a self involved in that process? So if the body mind worries about the outcome of the new house etc. then it is ok because its just what the body mind is doing?

If the body-mind doesn't believe there is a self, then it's likely to approach the issue of the new house from a less personal frame of reference. When worry is de-personalized it tends to lose its threatening nature and become concern/interest in an outcome.

Whether any concern that's present is OK or not is a thought story, and the content of it will be influenced by whether self is believed in or not. People love soap operas so much because they think their own story is real and the one on TV is fictional. A story about whether Ty is OK or not would be just as entertaining if it wasn't about "you".

That's why I say "if you are frustrated/afraid/sad, then be frustrated/afraid/sad." If it's not OK then let it be OK that it's not OK. Who controls how much you worry?

Who made the judgement whether things are OK or not?

So who or what is doing this looking?

Hey, I'm supposed to ask the questions! :) The looking is caused the same way all bodily actions are caused, and has an effect on the body-mind. As for the observer, well, it seems to be out to lunch.

For instance next Thursday the home inspector is coming to inspect my house. Thoughts keep running through my head of clean up the yard, clean the house, make sure everything works...when thoughts like this come it feels like there is a self even though none can be found. Will you just hit me with something so it will all be clear...lol

Where's my Zen stick?

Try a different angle:

What's the weather like? Is the house nice? Can you have take-out for lunch? Is it fun to play with screwdrivers? Are you in a hospital? Is it possible that the home inspector might be interesting in some way? Maybe he or she will be from Eritrea.

So what's the problem?


Steve

[blackh]

Ty,

I've been thinking about this... Let's take the work you have to do on the house as an example: Can you find the reason why the thoughts keep running through your head? That is, can you find a reason why they're not like the thought about the weather?


Steve

[Seahawks5862]

Hi Steve,

There was a great shift this morning!!! Last night in total boredom at work I read something on here where someone asked the person "who is reading these words" something that has been asked many times before but her answer was "I had to conclude that the answer was just THIS, anything else would just be a thought." The seeing of this truth was very strong today even though thoughts are playing games at work but it's ok. I will answer you're questions tommorow or later this evening. When thoughts seem to play games, just the simple recognition of THIS just THIS reveals that there is no me. I will keep you updated...thank u so much for everything.

Ty