Clarity

[Dale Marie]

How did you do it with "going into feeling". Then what happened? How did it feel? What was perceived?

Here is what happened - You said on FB -"

What do you experience? When you say "I", what does this I refer to?

"
As soon as I said to myself - "what does I refer too" - there was the experience of everything. So then the so called I refereed to everything. Everything noticed was not separate from me. It actually took me by surprise! It was a wow experience. There is not an out there - It is one and the same. I is everything - but I is just a label, there is no I doing anything. Even the word is - has an "i" in it - lol - look at all the i's is. Weird. But "I' is just a name, a letter.

All is. The I fell into Is - that is how it "felt." It felt like a complete unity of existence. And Is, is everything. Gee - words!!! can not explain it.
You asked

Could you say: Everything just is?

Lol, I am having a hard time accepting the word "just is" for some reason. Everything Is.

Hey have a wonder travel!

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

awh...that was so lovely to read :-).

So true. Borders are also a thought construction.

And absolutely, take the word "just out! Everything is.

I will be back on Monday. Enjoy :-)


Much love,
Ghata

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

one question for you came up:

Has there ever been an 'I', a self?


Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

How did you do it with "going into feeling". Then what happened? How did it feel? What was perceived?

Here is what happened - You said on FB -"

What do you experience? When you say "I", what does this I refer to?

"
As soon as I said to myself - "what does I refer too" - there was the experience of everything. So then the so called I refereed to everything. Everything noticed was not separate from me. It actually took me by surprise! It was a wow experience. There is not an out there - It is one and the same. I is everything - but I is just a label, there is no I doing anything. Even the word is - has an "i" in it - lol - look at all the i's is. Weird. But "I' is just a name, a letter.

All is. The I fell into Is - that is how it "felt" And Is is everything. Gee - words!!! can not explain it.
You asked

Could you say: Everything just is?

Lol, I am having a hard time accepting the word "just is" for some reason. Everything Is.

[Dale Marie]

one question for you came up:

Has there ever been an 'I', a self?

I dont even know what an "I" or self is! lol That question can not be answered
I and self are thoughts, words - Thoughts exist - Thoughts are consistent. I and self are just thoughts.
The world of form appears real - thought about it are not. The spoon analogy

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

That question can not be answered.....I and self are just thoughts.
The world of form appears real - thought about it are not. The spoon analogy

Has it always been the case that I and self are just thoughts, or was there a time when a real I existed?

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

Hello Ghata,
What is a real I? There is no I to answer that question.
There never was a "time" of existence. So the question does not make sense to me.
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[Dale Marie]

Ah, Okay - so there is really just the Now -The Here - The eternal moment- There is not a time that "I" ever existed
:-)

[Ghata]

Hi Dale,

you are digging too deep :-).
It is true, there is no time and no I.

Please explain to somebody who has never heard about these topics,

- what the I is,
- how you saw that the I is an Illusion
- how it felt seeing that the I is an Illusion

- what changed and what stayed the same

- how decisions are made
- whether you are responsible for something
- whether there is a free will. you can exert

- what else became clear

Be very simple in your language and very clear. Talk only about what you actually experienced. Take your time and review it well, so you are sure this would explain it to somebody completely unfamiliar with this.

Only explain the different points. Please don't mix spontaneous musings in, that will make it difficult to understand. If there is more to say, post a second reply.

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

Has it always been the case that I and self are just thoughts, or was there a time when a real I existed?

I just re-read this an the question/answer
now is so simple -

Yes it has always been the case that I an Self are just thoughts.
No there is not a time that a real I existed.

[Dale Marie]

Thank yo Ghata for pointing out that I was digging to deep

Please explain to somebody who has never heard about these topics,

- what the I is,
- how you saw that the I is an Illusion
- how it felt seeing that the I is an Illusion

- what changed and what stayed the same

- how decisions are made
- whether you are responsible for something
- whether there is a free will. you can exert

- what else became clear

Be very simple in your language and very clear. Talk only about what you actually experienced. Take your time and review it well, so you are sure this would explain it to somebody completely unfamiliar with this.

Only explain the different points. Please don't mix spontaneous musings in, that will make it difficult to understand. If there is more to say, post a second reply.

- what the I is,

I is a thought - there is no I in reality.

- how you saw that the I is an Illusion

When I looked for an I, there is none to be found

- how it felt seeing that the I is an Illusion

It felt the same as looking for a thought - You can not find a thought.

- what changed and what stayed the same

Nothing changed, all stayed the same. There is still doing and thoughts

- how decisions are made

Decisions appear to be made, thoughts arise on there own, thoughts appear to be making a choice. But they are just concepts, more thoughts.

whether you are responsible for something

I am not responsible for living, life happens, there is no me that makes life happen.

- whether there is a free will. you can exert

Free will is just another thought, thinking you are making a choice.

- what else became clear

There is no Me doing anything. There is doing and thinking that come on there own. I am not the doer or thinker. There is no control of any of it.
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[Dale Marie]

Hi Ghata,
PS - I would like to add to this question

- what changed and what stayed the same

I said:
Nothing changed, all stayed the same. There is still doing and thoughts

I would like to add that there is a realization that nothing is happening to a personal me

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

thank you for your beautiful answers! :-)

Is there anything else you would like to explore?

If not, I would invite you into the group for people who have seen through the illusion of self. There you can share your experiences and insights and explore further.

Also, if a time comes when you would like to explore further with a guide, we could do that in the Unleashed part of the forum, that then will be open for you.

You can always tag or pm me, if you would like to get into contact with me.

How do you feel about that?

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

Yes - wonderful! I would enjoy that. :-)
Thanks much for the guidance!
Sincerely,
Adele

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

great :-)

It was so lovely guiding you. Thank you for having me as your guide.

Probably it will take about a day until all "paperwork" is done. See you in the groups.


Much love, Ghata