How can I let myself be finally free?

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Re: How can I let myself be finally free?

Postby PeterMkf » Mon May 09, 2016 1:37 pm

Hey Kay

The weekend was great

For the last couple of days I was looking into memories and past from the new point of view of direct experience and now we are looking in it together :)
So are there many different thoughts or just thought? (Look back at sensation).
There is only a thought before the label happening.
But is there an experience that the now is moving along the line of time?
There is no such direct experience.
How fast is the present moment actually moving?

How long does the now last?
In the direct experience there is no movement of the present anywhere

It is here and now. Eternal, forever...
Where does it start and where does it end?
There is no beginning to it and no end. No way to tell where it started if at all and where it will end if ever :)
When does the now exactly become the 'past'?
The now never becomes the past as all there is - the now. The past is appearing in the content of the thought.
What is the past in actual experience?
The AE of the past is the AE of image, sensation or any other senses + the thought.

Have a great one!

Peter

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Re: How can I let myself be finally free?

Postby forgetmenot » Tue May 10, 2016 12:33 am

Hello Peter,
So are there many different thoughts or just thought? (Look back at sensation).
There is only a thought before the label happening.
Your answer isn’t clear. Can you elaborate please.
Thoughts and labels are one and the same. A label is a thought.
Everything that is written, orally spoken and self-talk are all thought.
How fast is the present moment actually moving?
How long does the now last?
In the direct experience there is no movement of the present anywhere
It is here and now. Eternal, forever...
‘Here’ and ‘now’ are one and the same.
What is the AE of ‘here’?
What is the AE of ‘now’?

When does the now exactly become the 'past'?
The now never becomes the past as all there is - the now. The past is appearing in the content of the thought.
Yes. The past is just a thought. “I bought an ice-cream yesterday” is an appearing thought ABOUT yesterday.
How is it known that there was a yesterday?
What is the past in actual experience?
The AE of the past is the AE of image, sensation or any other senses + the thought.
The AE of ‘past’ is thought only.
When are the images, sensation and other senses appearing?
Are they appearing in the past? Or is it a thought that says the appearing images are something that was done in the past?


Love, Kay
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Re: How can I let myself be finally free?

Postby PeterMkf » Tue May 10, 2016 1:28 pm

Hey Kay
There is only a thought before the label happening.
Your answer isn’t clear. Can you elaborate please.
What I meant to say was just the thinking is happening. Everything else is a story.
‘Here’ and ‘now’ are one and the same.
What is the AE of ‘here’?
What is the AE of ‘now’?
Yes, like “here” and “now” as reference to “space” and “time”, which are all stories.

It is clear, that they refer to the same as the moment of AE, which is happening now.
How is it known that there was a yesterday?
There is no “yesterday” in AE. There is a story about something, that has happened to me like “buying an ice-cream yesterday’.

The AE is the image, sensation, taste, but “yesterday” is a story, a content of the thought or the thought itself.
When are the images, sensation and other senses appearing?
Are they appearing in the past? Or is it a thought that says the appearing images are something that was done in the past?
They appear always now.
Thoughts are the stories about past, present and the future.

It is clear, that the story creates past, there is no past or future in the AE. Even the present is a story.

The AE is all there is in reality.

Have a great one!

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Re: How can I let myself be finally free?

Postby forgetmenot » Tue May 10, 2016 1:38 pm

Hey Peter,

Another lovely clear post!

Thank you for being so diligent in looking and answering questions. Here are the final questions, could you please answer them with some detail. With question 5, make sure you include an example from your current experience.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
What are you responsible for?
Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Love, Kay
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Re: How can I let myself be finally free?

Postby PeterMkf » Wed May 11, 2016 1:54 pm

Hey Kay

For answers to be a bit more in detail I might take a bit more time. Depends on my busyness today.

Have a great day.

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Re: How can I let myself be finally free?

Postby PeterMkf » Wed May 11, 2016 4:45 pm

Hey there

Thanks a bunch for the work we have done together and for the work you do overall helping others.

It was a pleasure doing the work...well, not all the time, but those times it was very much important in looking and seeing :)
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?
No, there is no separate Self, that could be found anywhere I looked. It does not exist and has never existed in reality.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is belief or thoughts about the person living a life. The person starts from early age, when the knowledge is acquired. With knowledge comes understanding, that there is a body, that belongs to me and there are other bodies in the world. They are people. Then there is my family and there are families of others. There are my things and there are things, that belong to others. Everything around us in our society leads to this kind of knowledge. The mind does its work very well and it doesn’t take very long for us to base our all “belief structure” on these thoughts.

The illusion is created, that there is me, who loves something and hates something. Who decides to do something and then he fails or succeeds. The feeling of control becomes obvious with all of these belief. We control our lives and everything depends on our decisions. This is really seen as a big joke now. The humor of the universe is very “deep”, I guess :) Not so easy to see it there! :)
3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.
It feels...liberating. But there isn’t too much difference in everyday life, that has happened. There wasn’t a big shift of perception of the world. The ability to LOOK was” acquired”. Reality has been seen, Illusion has been seen through. The same thoughts still come and go. Seeing the story in all of this is what makes the difference.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
I would say, that the picture of the rose, then Einstein and then the looking at the hand was a chain of something, that made the push. One exercise wasn’t enough, but three of them together spaced in time did the very important part in all of this.

But overall of course, it’s the whole work we did from the very beginning to the very end.
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
What are you responsible for?
Give examples from experience.
These are all thoughts we have a belief so much in. In the Direct Experience, that happens this moment they can be seen for what they are. Another label coming and going. In reality there is no decision, but the illusion of it created by thought. The same goes with free will, choice and control. If everything is happening in the now and everything there is - Direct Experience, then there is no one to make decisions, intend to do something, make a choice or control something. There is only a thought about it.

Nothing makes things happen or something makes them happen, but the reality what we can experience is that it is just happening. Everything else would be just a story. It’s not an end of purposeful life to answer “I don’t know” to this question either :) I have no idea how it all works.

There is nothing I am responsible for since everything happens by itself. Responsibility is nothing else, than another story appearing.

There are constant thoughts appearing for me, that I am supposed to do something. Especially fix the problems of people, that are close to me. The idea comes up very often, that I am the one, who should be fixing the suffering of others. There are thoughts, sensations, images, that come and make me feel very uncomfortable, when someone else suffers and they are perceived beyond compassion.

These are all very intense stories with intense as another story of it’s own. I can see through the illusion of these stories.

Our work did not make me in any way invulnerable to emotions or programming, that comes and goes. But the looking made me see, that there isn’t much to do in this life, but live it. Enjoy the living happening in the moment. Have whatever comes up in life. By the way it has always worked wonders for me, when I just let things happen even without all of this work. I’ve always thought, that everything somehow will be alright. Now it is more like seeing, that there is no way it can be otherwise. The thought about control and the thought about resistance, that comes with it has always made a lot of negative Impact for me. That was my thinking. Now in the direct experience everything is happening on it’s own. Even though there are moments, when story is all, that is perceived as reality. It’s stupid to deny that :)

Now the concepts of good and bad, alright and not so much are seeing through for what they are.

It is not the beginning of something, that is going to be and it’s not the end of something, that is ending. There no new life. It’s like finding something, that has always been there without the thought of “How stupid was I not to see it before” :)

Well, I think it is enough words and enough thinking.

I’ve tried to explain something in words. I hope, that is what you wanted. Some detail.

Most of the time instead of talking it is better just to LOOK :)

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Re: How can I let myself be finally free?

Postby forgetmenot » Wed May 11, 2016 7:51 pm

Hello Peter,

What a pleasure to read your answers.

I am now going to ask some guides to look at your thread just to make sure that nothing has been missed. They may or may not have further questions for you to ensure that 'seeing' is clear. This may take a day or two. In the mean time I will send you a PM from the forum to get your Facebook ID from you. Once other guides have taken a look and there are no further questions, Werner, from LU will invite you to the LU Aftercare group on FB. You don't have to join the FB group, however, it is always nice to connect with others who have 'gated'.

Thank you so much for the pleasure of guiding you. If you do wish to join the LU Facebook group, I will remain in contact with you via the forum PM to see how you are travelling (so to speak).

Love, Kay
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Re: How can I let myself be finally free?

Postby forgetmenot » Wed May 11, 2016 8:20 pm

Hi Peter!

There are no further questions. Congratulations on 'passing through the gateless gate'! Werner from LU will in contact with you to add you to the LU Aftercare group.

Love, Kay
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