Thanks, Mark!
If we are to 'train into that perspective, which is truer', would this be any more than training the mind, superimposing a certain thought on what is happening? Is not what we are doing actually the opposite: namely tenaciously questioning everything, every thought construct (T), every belief clung to (T), which has jumped in and superimposed itself upon the raw experience; so, questioning those each and every time they are noticed, until the raw seeing and experiencing are returned to, all the thought content not necessarily not happening any more but seen for what it is, kind of relieved of its 'guard-dog' (ie protective) duties)? Does that resonate?
It does! So the implication is still to stop when the personal pronouns come up, but not to correct them, but rather to question them and connect to E? No need to reformulate the words, then, just seeing the gap between them and E?
A. Questions: i) it seems that part of the very nature of Life itself is to be curious, to question everything, but what separate entity is there there to train thoughts?
I was trying to explore this experientially this night and morning: What is there, truly, that wants anything? (T) There is some kind of curiosity/will/intention/direction/impulse/drive/striving, in my experience (E). And this drive is directing the spotlight of attention to focus on different things, which – for some reason – seems most relevant (E). When focus on “what’s important” (according to this will) is lost, this will brings it back (E). It’s much appreciated by this being, directing it! (T) The drive can be trained, it seems, through (for example) meditation (T). It is driving me to post here (E). When “I” try to look in to “my” experience, it is that drive that is initiating and sustaining the trying! (T) The identification process seems very fond of this drive, and easily latches on to it; “This drive is the core of what I am”, it says! (T) There is recognition that this identification happens, but there is no experiential proof for it, just the conviction of the identification process (E).
ii) I mentioned thoughts' guard-dog duties: what might thoughts be trying to protect? Anything come up when you consider that? Never mind if not.
First thoughts that come up (this is all Ts): Clarity, keeping truth conceptual and easy to handle. Boxing in reality, to make it practical. Protection from chaos and disorder, from loosing control an overview. The identification process, specifically: Keeping me apart from others, to prioritize myself and keep me safe from danger. “This is ME and this is important to keep alive, more important than other life and other things!”
Ironically my (E) right now: A good feeling to get the purpose of thoughts more clear and identified, with the help of thoughts!
B. Here's another exercise, looking at the role of thoughts:-
Find a TV team sport on TV or a Youtube clip that lasts for at least 3 minutes, team sport such as soccer (the ideal sport to use for this), or basketball, or football, which has a commentary. 1. Watch with the sound turned OFF one minute of the people messing about with a round thing on a field, up and down, up and down. Let it sink in, the whole experience. 2. Once the first minute is completed, now watch another whole minute with the commentary (T) turned ON. Notice the differences. Notice how the commentator offers lots of know-how, even advice, seems to feel as though (s)he can influence somehow what is going on, as though one outcome is much preferred to the opposite outcome, the commentary may seem to heighten any supporter-ish feelings which are there, and call for an identification with one team or other, and with the importance of the game itself. 3. Now turn the volume OFF AGAIN and just watch the action with NO audible commentary, the shapes moving around on the screen etc. Again notice all the differences in the experience.
Before I did this, I could guess that it would be pretty different. The things I noticed was that the commentary really latched on to my experience, kind of took up space in my head. I enjoyed it more watching it without the commentary, for sure. However, I think that if I was really into the history of the group plays, the teams, the implications of the score etc, like one can be if one is following a league, the comments would be more tempting. As it was now, I felt like I had a fuller, more direct experience of what was going on on the field, when the sound was off.
Did the commentary add one whit to the activities on the field, or to the success/outcome of the game? Let me know what comes up.
None, of course. They affect my overview of the odds, gave a sense of being oriented, letting me know what’s significant and not, telling me about the background of the players and how many other people out there thought his game was important, but not the actual happenings.