Awakening to the Truth

[CarolS]

Good evening Vince,

These are your stories about someone else's stories, are they not ?

yes, looking at them it appears as though i claimed them for my own..these are mainly things i learned from my
coaching training and all of the millions of books, classes and teachers...

Having made them conscious, are they still the same ?

the stories themselves remain the same, but looking at them the "buy in" is not as powerful, all of the "I" is disconnecting and most of them evaporate once that sense of "I" is lessened..and as far as motivation, achievement and goals..i looked into them and asked "what are these really?" when i let go of any idea of a self and let life live itself as me motivation becomes obsolete...i feel like inspiration might replace it..(idk) another story?? it feels lighter anyway
achievement and goals...more concepts and ideas (they are everywhere)
so, no they aren't the same, plus the practice (all the LOLing) you asked me to do lessened the ownership of them

Do you understand the concept of impermanence ? (everything is always changing. Nothing stays the same.)

i have heard it like this before....forms is always coming in and out of existence...even if the form lasts millions of years..it is still not permanent...nothing lasts forever..things, thoughts, emotions, everything arises out of nothingness and falls back into nothingness

This is a good one. Who will be defenseless ?
Describe the sensations the organism might feel, when the story of defenseless is running.

no one will be defenseless, it was that old story again..i , me . self
sensations...naked, stripped bare, panic, (but at the time it seems like the sensation was one of openness and expansiveness rather than constriction like i would think)

When you get through the gate, will all of the habits and preferences conditioned into the organism, disappear ?

not all right away, but i imagine many over time will as stories break down.. there will always be things unique to what happens as my life...but i don't know really...i know as i have experienced shifts in my life before (like after reading the Power of Now) things blew up in my life..a big reorganizing...and i feel like ever since the inner stories just kept crumbling more and more.til it brought me to you and this "going through the Gate".so it could be another shift like seeing no separate "self " not identifying with me, mine, I , will allow for some new experiences ..i have never known it not to be like that when perception changes..
Nighty Nite VInce

[vinceschubert]

'evening Carol.
i'm liking your responses.
Let's consider time.
Past, present, future.
Is the past more then memory ?
Is the future more than fantasy ?
Does 'now' exist outside of our current experiencing ?
Can a snapshot of any experiencing be described or communicated, without that point of experiencing being already finished ? (and therefore that description being a memory of it)
Is there any way that current experience can be altered by us ? (by the time we realize that we want to change it - it's already done and dusted)
If i say "THIS IS IT !" - what does it (now) mean for Carol ?

love

vince

[CarolS]

hi Vince,

Is the past more then memory ?

Is the future more than fantasy ?

the past might be fantasy and the future a memory someday..its all interwoven..future and past are created by that idea of "self" to keep alive to keep the story of who i am or who i might be intact...they are no more than thoughts

Does 'now' exist outside of our current experiencing ?

hmmm..my first idea is no but not so sure.."now" is the only time there ever is...there is nothing outside of our current experiencing...

Can a snapshot of any experiencing be described or communicated, without that point of experiencing being already finished ? (and therefore that description being a memory of it)

maybe yes...imagination of experiencing something...making up a scenario

Is there any way that current experience can be altered by us ?

hmmm.idk..still looking into this and also looking into this...

If i say "THIS IS IT !" - what does it (now) mean for Carol ?

night, Carol

[vinceschubert]

.there is nothing outside of our current experiencing...

So, where in current experience is a 'now' ?

..waiting for last two questions.

love

vince

[CarolS]

hi Vince,
i appear to be a little bit twisted up on this..haha lets see..

So, where in current experience is a 'now' ?

Does 'now' exist outside of our current experiencing ?

"now" doesn't exist at all..another concept..an idea..thought

here we go..

Is there any way that current experience can be altered by us ?

no, there is no me, to alter anything....life is just flowing, unchangeable

If i say "THIS IS IT !" - what does it (now) mean for Carol ?

absolutely nothing

This morning when I was blowdrying my hair, looking at my face, my body, my features, I asked myself "can you find you? anywhere??" and a thought popped in that it's impossible for me to ever go through that gate, because there isn't any " me" to go through it and that it's just another concept/story so that makes it doubly not an "event" that is ever going to "happen" and then i saw wherever i am standing IS through the gate ...always...right where i was in that moment..
i had looked at my expectations and realized i had an expectation/ vision of my body crossing through this gate and had an image of "this huge beautiful gate" and all of it clicked in that moment of blowdrying ...
and as i continued getting ready a moment of "wow" with life-ing doing it's thing as me .."i am free" nothing rests on my shoulders, shit "works out" or it doesn't ....(always is working out..right??) and nothing is my fault or my credit...whew..felt good.."i" can't mess anything up...
and then went to work and everything was "messed up" all day LOL but i didn't get caught up in it like i normally would ...kind of watched it..thoughts, emotions,

thanks Vince, Carol

[vinceschubert]

Good evening Carol.
Let's run through these cleanup questions and see if there is any identification that isn't recognized.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) "Describe your experience of the illusion of separate self, how it arises/disappears. Is that process always the same, or does it vary, and if so, how?"

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

6) Anything to add?

love

vince

[CarolS]

Hi Vince,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever

No and no

2) "Describe your experience of the illusion of separate self, how it arises/disappears. Is that process always the same, or does it vary, and if so, how?

There is no "my " experience but sometimes when feelings, actions, thoughts, sensations arise I still am claiming ownership of them ... And the illusion of a separate me.. It falls away as I look for a "me" and don't find one anywhere and it appears to always happen the same... And lately I notice the "i" story quicker and do the LOL thing.. Then the illusion falls away..

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels normal...well sometimes a bit startling to notice I was wrapped up in a story again
How pervasive it is a

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience

nd sometimes startled to feel carefree more
A big difference is in noticing my story of a self being an illusion means no one else
Has a self either. No one to blame for anything because there is no "them" out there
I went to see the big short today and noticed I want to get caught up in blaming the bankers
And Wall Street when I noticed the emotion , the "I" and looked deeper and figured if I am not making
Anything happen neither are they ... Each singularly or collectively.. It's still life living as them..
Life is breaking things a bit .. Things a bit off kilter.. But also funny little cues popping up around me.. I feel as if I am less judgement with people and just more lovey and easy going..

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

It was those last couple of questions you sent me that I had a hard time answering I really had to look
because I didn't know a book answer..and I couldn't figure it out intellectually. They were confusing.

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience

No, no and there are no examples of them.. They don't exist....

6) Anything to add?

I had difficulty answering ...the wanting to get it "right" is a pretty strong
conditioning.. ... Or not knowing .. Confusion..
It occurred to me .. From a position of no-self with life living as me...giving is happening freely always..
Nite Vince, Carol

[vinceschubert]

Good evening Carol.
Things look good from this end. How are you going. (what is different ?)
i will get back to you in a couple of days.

love

vince

[vinceschubert]

Hi Carol, another guide asks "Could you ask her to really look again to find examples from her life when she is clearly not in control? Her answer to that question seems more intellectual than the other questions..."
Look for the situations where once you would have been under the illusion that decisions were being made, and control was being exercised, by you. ..and now you see that this is how it happens.

Several other guides have found no obvious remnant identification. One guide is seeking clarification on the question above.

This mean that you will soon be invited to join a Facebook group, my story is that the intent of the group it to introduce 'freshly gated' to others with similar experiences, so that a focus is maintained, at least until new habits are established.
There is also an opportunity to start another forum thread (called Further investigation) where only you and other guides (or guide) can explore whatever...
Friend me on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/vince.schubert) and we'll have continuing contact.
This thread will be locked & archived and your name will turn blue. (probably within 24hrs)
You will get an invitation by email.


love love

vince

[CarolS]

Hi Vince,
I am looking. The air card in my Mac went out for some strange reason
and I will respond tomorrow when it is fixed.. Not so easy answering
on the phone.
Love carol

[CarolS]

Hi Vince,
I did post a reply a couple of days ago.. Pretty long one from my phone
And I now see it never posted.. No wonder no reply from your end!
I will do it over tomorrow .
Thanks, Carol

[vinceschubert]

ok - can't wait...

love

vince

[CarolS]

Hi Vince,

ks "Could you ask her to really look again to find examples from her life when she is clearly not in control? Her answer to that question seems more intellectual than the other questions..."
Look for the situations where once you would have been under the illusion that decisions were being made, and control was being exercised, by you. ..and now you see that this is how it happens

This seems to be a sticky spot for me.. Choosing... I looked at simple decisions and "important" ones and couldn't find anything except thoughts (lots that began with "I") .. When I took that away it seemed to be spontaneous actions arising from no where. I couldn't find where "I" was actually choosing anything. Felt some anxiety again over this.it finally clicked that there is no me to make any choices..like the morning I realized zed there was I me to go through any gate.

Things look good from this end. How are you going. (what is different ?)

Well .. Things are a little chaotic... Lol all my stuff is breaking and that is pretty interesting. Just watching it all and not owning it, just taking care of what we're taking care of.. Which is new.
It feels like a different perspective of the same stuff .. Like I am standing farther back from it and noticing it but not
Getting wrapped up in it. I have had some debt to pay off for a while and it dawned on me the other day that there is no Carol that is attached to it.. ( that felt freeing.. Lighter ) not that I will stop paying it!!
So, nothing is different except my perception of experiences or maybe that I am recognizing them as experiences without labeling as much or claiming.
I notice much more when the "I" story is playing.
Things ( life) seems to have slowed down..,
Thanks for your direction!! I appreciate your guidance. See you
on FB
Love Carol