No, no need for poetry :)
Is there anything missing right now? Is there any doubt about (non)existence of self?
Old patterns of behavior are not automatically destroyed after seeing the illusion of self.
What is once seen can't be unseen. And anytime there is a tool of looking at the thoughts that arise and questioning their reality.
Actually there is no way to go out of here and now, just unconditional belief in thoughts that arise, here and now.
Stay well!
Think i'm ready for the change
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There doesnt appear to be any thing missing, other than , that there is more to do , i.e drop the beliefs. I tried to regress back to being Bharat/Self - aint happening, but think over time the beliefs will drop with questioning.
Hmmm...What now .... ? another level , next step , another adventure without self ?
Hmmm...What now .... ? another level , next step , another adventure without self ?
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Hey Bharat,
How is going today?
Is there you to do anything?
How is going today?
Is there you to do anything?
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Funny you should ask that, I was wondering , as there is no self/ bharat personality, how come I have this repetitive thoughts/behaviour/beliefs. When I woke up today , there was this thought of there is only here and now (not in the intellectual sense), so there can't be any other thoughts , other than the about what is being percieved now.
I mean I still feel the same , but as mentioned earlier, there is more awareness of the thoughts running through the mind and all beliefs/actions seem to get questioned (i.e why am I brushing my teeth!).
The mind still wonders off into the past / futures events/ work/ people etc, I remind myself(!) there is no bharat self to have these beliefs (to whom do these beliefs belong to ,now that there is no self as such!!)
Maybe over time and with constant reviewing of the beliefs more clarity will emerge. Currently time is being spent just reviewing and catching my self from going to automatic pilot mode, constantly being aware of my actions/thinking is required. There is a sense of Bharat left, but each time i look at it , it's not a real , just more thoughts/beliefs attached to a character, that doesnt exist any more.
it certainly is interesting (another thought/belief!), I mean seeing/hearing/feeling/emotion is happening, but there is no longer an automatic response, it can be evaluated and judged/accepted.
There is shit load baggage bharat left behind, gotta clean this mess up, may take some time ?
I mean I still feel the same , but as mentioned earlier, there is more awareness of the thoughts running through the mind and all beliefs/actions seem to get questioned (i.e why am I brushing my teeth!).
The mind still wonders off into the past / futures events/ work/ people etc, I remind myself(!) there is no bharat self to have these beliefs (to whom do these beliefs belong to ,now that there is no self as such!!)
Maybe over time and with constant reviewing of the beliefs more clarity will emerge. Currently time is being spent just reviewing and catching my self from going to automatic pilot mode, constantly being aware of my actions/thinking is required. There is a sense of Bharat left, but each time i look at it , it's not a real , just more thoughts/beliefs attached to a character, that doesnt exist any more.
it certainly is interesting (another thought/belief!), I mean seeing/hearing/feeling/emotion is happening, but there is no longer an automatic response, it can be evaluated and judged/accepted.
There is shit load baggage bharat left behind, gotta clean this mess up, may take some time ?
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Nothing real can stop to exist, and what isn't real never really existed.There is a sense of Bharat left, but each time i look at it , it's not a real , just more thoughts/beliefs attached to a character, that doesnt exist any more.
Was there you ever? Or it was just a belief, that is now dropped, like with santa. Though, story about santa, or Bharat or any other character, continues till its end.
Yes, more looking and seeing... leading to clearing.There is shit load baggage bharat left behind, gotta clean this mess up, may take some time ?
Will see if other guides have some more questions for you.
So is the game here :) Once confirmed, I send you a link for FB group sharing post self experience.
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sorry, been just see what this experience produces.
Yesterday was good day, seemed to have awareness of my actions and the emotions that arose, i didnt automatically respond to the situation, the situation didnt appear to bother me.
today, i'm seem lost , confused, i.e what am i doing here, what is the point, what am I really, is there any purpose to this ?
Yesterday was good day, seemed to have awareness of my actions and the emotions that arose, i didnt automatically respond to the situation, the situation didnt appear to bother me.
today, i'm seem lost , confused, i.e what am i doing here, what is the point, what am I really, is there any purpose to this ?
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Who is lost? Who can be lost when there is no self? Isn't it just a thought- I am lost?
Truth has nothing with „good“ and „bad“ days.
There are days with more or less clarity, there are sunny and cloudy days, but how it affects the sky?
Just look again and again - is there you?
Or it is just an experience unfolding, one or another way?
Be well!
Truth has nothing with „good“ and „bad“ days.
There are days with more or less clarity, there are sunny and cloudy days, but how it affects the sky?
Just look again and again - is there you?
Or it is just an experience unfolding, one or another way?
Be well!
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I realised as soon as I type my blurb, who is lost, there isnt a bharat/self, there is feeling of confusion or something simliar, who's feeling it , not the self, cant find it.
I'll let things unfold and see how it goes for now. Just need to be aware of not falling into the usual way of thinking!
I'll let things unfold and see how it goes for now. Just need to be aware of not falling into the usual way of thinking!
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Hey Bharat,
there seems to be still some belief in self.
If there is no self, who can fall or not fall in to the old way of thinking?
There are just thoughts happening?
:)
there seems to be still some belief in self.
If there is no self, who can fall or not fall in to the old way of thinking?
There are just thoughts happening?
:)
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yep there is , seems to be back in full force today. I am more aware of being aware but with this personality and its it's beliefs attached to it, something got left that didnt didn't clear out the sense of self, even though for couple of days it felt there was no self, no bharat,Bharat, now its it's more bharat.Bharat.
i'll continue with the inquiry and see what come up,
i'll continue with the inquiry and see what come up,
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Dear Bharat,
Just look in the direct experience, what is there. Seeing, hearing, perceiving…also the sens of self. But self?
Here and now, where is Bharat except in thought? He will not disappear, neither he needs to.
He continue existence in the mind story.
Just see what is already real - here and now and what is only story and belief.
Is there you?
Just look in the direct experience, what is there. Seeing, hearing, perceiving…also the sens of self. But self?
Here and now, where is Bharat except in thought? He will not disappear, neither he needs to.
He continue existence in the mind story.
Just see what is already real - here and now and what is only story and belief.
Is there you?
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the clarity of direct experience seems to come and go. Right now sitting down and typing , even though its happening without thought, the sense of bharat+beliefs is strong - mostly in the mind - the brain feels like a sponge soaked full of water.
The separation between the observation/awareness and self is evident more. I'll try to avoid thinking and concentrate on the now/awareness, see if any clarity can be seen.
The separation between the observation/awareness and self is evident more. I'll try to avoid thinking and concentrate on the now/awareness, see if any clarity can be seen.
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Maybe just relax.
Go outside when possible; in nature.
Just see how life unfolds. There is no one, no you to control anything.
Go outside when possible; in nature.
Just see how life unfolds. There is no one, no you to control anything.
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Thanks Eloratea, I'll continue with this , won't try to force it or over do the thinking, as I partially glimpsed no self, I want to go back to that similar awareness.
I wrote down a lot of the thinking I do as per below, most of it is regargitated ideas/concepts,
The self is a Construct of beliefs that have accumulated over the duration of my life span.
Belief is a set of thoughts with emotion attached to them. Beliefs themselves are not right or wrong, nor happy or sad or scary.
Thought is but a thought with different content attached to it. The content feels real at times,but it is just a thought, reaction to a thought is also a thought , fear,happy,sad ,etc.
The self is but a set of thoughts maybe thousands or millions of thoughts, but thoughts nonetheless.
The self feels real as the self is also a belief similar to fear, it feels real, but doesn't make it valid of true.
My personality is made of thoughts only, which includes my fears, dreams,hopes,ambitions, etc,etc.
Direct experience is only seeing,hearing,listening,thinking without any thought being required, but the direct experience is tainted by the filters of the personality,which are the various accumulated beliefs that are held about a situation or subject.
Am I typing right now, or is typing happening, is any thought requid to move my fingers and type or even think about the words that need your typed or spelt, it is almost automatic , it is being done without effort.
Thinking does not require a personality to think, I.e me, thinking happens, actions happens, there is only an automatic response to a situation,I.e. the beliefs getting int he way of the actual translation of the scene/situation , beliefs.
Who is thinking, what is thinking,seeing,observing,hearing, does it need me the self to see, hear ,think , no, seeing happens, hearing happens, thinking happens, sitting happens, movement happens, typing happens, word happen, language happens, speaking happens, no thinking is required.
The self is illusion , it is nothing more then a set of thoughts that create a belief of the self and make it into real entity, which in fact doesn't exist or is it needed to as a part of one's life.
Is there a real self, no, there are thoughts upon thoughts that point to a illusion of the self or personality, but it is not real, it is but a mere thought wi some content, the content can be anything. So that means the thought is not real.
Self is an false identity that seems to be holding onto to existence, but it cannot as the holding onto is also only a thought, the elimination of the self/personality causes fear, which again is a combination of thought and emotion , which only point to another thought or emotion, but there is no place or point that can be called the whole self.
The self does not exist, it is not real, it seems real, as it is a habit got think that a thought is the self and not just another thought, whether it is true or false.
There is this attachment to the self , the idea of losing one's self or personality or identity can cause fear or confusion, but again both a thought or a combination of thoughts with feelings or sensation or emotion attached.
Do I exist ? No, but I have thoughts that point to a me , but There is no single place or location that points to a me or self .
Is there anything to fear by the loss of self, what could be lost ? Identity, personality, are there other fears ? Doubts, fear of the self being real ?, fear of no control in life ?
Fear of something else controlling life ? What purpose does the self serve , protection / filtering life , situations, etc ? Protecting the body , mind from harm from outside of self ?
Is there a need for the self now ? No. Can / does life continue without self or beliefs ? Yes.
is there a SELF ?
There is a story which is the self , a character called Bharat and history since birth, but is the character real or the experiences or the interpretation of the experiences, are they valid in terms of being true, or just experiences which don't need to be evaluated and judged ?
Who created the character and who writes the story ? The story seems to unfold from its own accord, the character responds from his previous experience of situations, which may not have any relevance to the current situation, as judgement is made automatically without re-evaluation of the current experience without the belief system being involved.
So is Bharat real ? It is a character that has been labelled and created over time by the unfolding of a story, that is not controlled by the character. Is Bharat real - the body is real, the mind exists, the rest is just thoughts and feelings/sensations, which tend be accepted as the trust without any thought.
Does Bharat exist, where is Bharat , is it found int he body , is it the body, no, is Bharat the mind or in the mind, it is in the mind. ? What is the mind but an translator of thoughts, what is a thought but a point to another thought.
Where is thought arising from, does Bharat control all his thoughts, or create each of his thoughts ?
Does the character need to exist in order to live life ? No, as the. Harasser is an illusion created of of experiences ,which are invalid or untrue, fears, doubt, emotions, etc.
What is the need to hold to this character , fear of loss of identity, what identity, life will continue, nothing will be lost, the identity isn't real to being with, the character isn't real , the body/mind is real, but not the character, that is made up, it feels real ,but doesn't exists as such.
I wrote down a lot of the thinking I do as per below, most of it is regargitated ideas/concepts,
The self is a Construct of beliefs that have accumulated over the duration of my life span.
Belief is a set of thoughts with emotion attached to them. Beliefs themselves are not right or wrong, nor happy or sad or scary.
Thought is but a thought with different content attached to it. The content feels real at times,but it is just a thought, reaction to a thought is also a thought , fear,happy,sad ,etc.
The self is but a set of thoughts maybe thousands or millions of thoughts, but thoughts nonetheless.
The self feels real as the self is also a belief similar to fear, it feels real, but doesn't make it valid of true.
My personality is made of thoughts only, which includes my fears, dreams,hopes,ambitions, etc,etc.
Direct experience is only seeing,hearing,listening,thinking without any thought being required, but the direct experience is tainted by the filters of the personality,which are the various accumulated beliefs that are held about a situation or subject.
Am I typing right now, or is typing happening, is any thought requid to move my fingers and type or even think about the words that need your typed or spelt, it is almost automatic , it is being done without effort.
Thinking does not require a personality to think, I.e me, thinking happens, actions happens, there is only an automatic response to a situation,I.e. the beliefs getting int he way of the actual translation of the scene/situation , beliefs.
Who is thinking, what is thinking,seeing,observing,hearing, does it need me the self to see, hear ,think , no, seeing happens, hearing happens, thinking happens, sitting happens, movement happens, typing happens, word happen, language happens, speaking happens, no thinking is required.
The self is illusion , it is nothing more then a set of thoughts that create a belief of the self and make it into real entity, which in fact doesn't exist or is it needed to as a part of one's life.
Is there a real self, no, there are thoughts upon thoughts that point to a illusion of the self or personality, but it is not real, it is but a mere thought wi some content, the content can be anything. So that means the thought is not real.
Self is an false identity that seems to be holding onto to existence, but it cannot as the holding onto is also only a thought, the elimination of the self/personality causes fear, which again is a combination of thought and emotion , which only point to another thought or emotion, but there is no place or point that can be called the whole self.
The self does not exist, it is not real, it seems real, as it is a habit got think that a thought is the self and not just another thought, whether it is true or false.
There is this attachment to the self , the idea of losing one's self or personality or identity can cause fear or confusion, but again both a thought or a combination of thoughts with feelings or sensation or emotion attached.
Do I exist ? No, but I have thoughts that point to a me , but There is no single place or location that points to a me or self .
Is there anything to fear by the loss of self, what could be lost ? Identity, personality, are there other fears ? Doubts, fear of the self being real ?, fear of no control in life ?
Fear of something else controlling life ? What purpose does the self serve , protection / filtering life , situations, etc ? Protecting the body , mind from harm from outside of self ?
Is there a need for the self now ? No. Can / does life continue without self or beliefs ? Yes.
is there a SELF ?
There is a story which is the self , a character called Bharat and history since birth, but is the character real or the experiences or the interpretation of the experiences, are they valid in terms of being true, or just experiences which don't need to be evaluated and judged ?
Who created the character and who writes the story ? The story seems to unfold from its own accord, the character responds from his previous experience of situations, which may not have any relevance to the current situation, as judgement is made automatically without re-evaluation of the current experience without the belief system being involved.
So is Bharat real ? It is a character that has been labelled and created over time by the unfolding of a story, that is not controlled by the character. Is Bharat real - the body is real, the mind exists, the rest is just thoughts and feelings/sensations, which tend be accepted as the trust without any thought.
Does Bharat exist, where is Bharat , is it found int he body , is it the body, no, is Bharat the mind or in the mind, it is in the mind. ? What is the mind but an translator of thoughts, what is a thought but a point to another thought.
Where is thought arising from, does Bharat control all his thoughts, or create each of his thoughts ?
Does the character need to exist in order to live life ? No, as the. Harasser is an illusion created of of experiences ,which are invalid or untrue, fears, doubt, emotions, etc.
What is the need to hold to this character , fear of loss of identity, what identity, life will continue, nothing will be lost, the identity isn't real to being with, the character isn't real , the body/mind is real, but not the character, that is made up, it feels real ,but doesn't exists as such.
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Good, writing make things more clear.
Investigate by all means you can.
Just one note on this:
Is it the expression of honest looking for the truth?
Or just desire for repeating a happy state - based on belief in separate self?
Best,
El
Investigate by all means you can.
Just one note on this:
Watch „who“ wants this. What is behind this want, this thought.I want to go back to that similar awareness.
Is it the expression of honest looking for the truth?
Or just desire for repeating a happy state - based on belief in separate self?
Best,
El
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